FORD FOCUS? Worth it?

[denis_8th]

Is the 2009 Ford Focus worth it? Particularly the 2.0 Ghia and the 2.0 Sport hatchback (these are not the TDCI M/T variants)? May I request owners of these vehicles to post details about fuel efficiency, comfort, performance, etc.?

Also, saan ba ang dealer na malakas magdiscount, at maganda ang service? Yung Focus kase, around 999,000 ang presyo, iniisip ko kase kung pwede akong makakuha ng discount, kahit around 10%? Or baka may mairecommend kayong agent.

Thanks in advance.

[Starex_Gold]

Tingnan mo yung 2009 Ford Focus 2.0 TDCi Powershift Dual Clutch A/T.

VERY WORTH IT..

about sa dealer, try mo sa Ford libis. mababait mga tao dun. nilibre nila lahat sa akin except LTO kasi special plate. Cash paid yung Explorer ko.

so far ok naman yung service nila..

[FWC]

I'm not so sure about the gasoline models. But the TDCI is certainly very good value for money. My son in law has one and he certainly enjoyed it. We left a lot of cars behind during our SCTEX runs.

If you want to get opinions from Focus owners, log on to "forum.fordclupph.com"

[denis_8th]

Tingnan mo yung 2009 Ford Focus 2.0 TDCi Powershift Dual Clutch A/T.

VERY WORTH IT..

about sa dealer, try mo sa Ford libis. mababait mga tao dun. nilibre nila lahat sa akin except LTO kasi special plate. Cash paid yung Explorer ko.

so far ok naman yung service nila..

May nakuha kang discount sa presyo ng kotse? O libre lang yung mga insurance, etc.?

Im considering the 2.0 ghia or the 2.0 sport hatchback. Ayaw ko kase ng dual clutch.

[AG4]

Ayaw ko kase ng dual clutch.

Whats wrong with the dual-clutch PowerShift?

The dual-clutch Powershift offers the convenience and ease of a traditional automatic, but has the performance and fuel economy of a manual.

For those wondering... the shifter of the Focus TDCi Powershift is the same as the shifter of the gasoline A/T Focus models.
PRND with a + and - manual mode shift gate.

[denis_8th]

Whats wrong with the dual-clutch PowerShift?

The dual-clutch Powershift offers the convenience and ease of a traditional automatic, but has the performance and fuel economy of a manual.

For those wondering... the shifter of the Focus TDCi Powershift is the same as the shifter of the gasoline A/T Focus models.
PRND with a + and - manual mode shift gate.

I am sorry I am not familiar with the dual clutch in powershift. I was talking about dual clutch in older cars and some new race cars wherein you have to press the clutch twice to change gears. In other words, more work than the traditional M/T. But it was called double clutch. So now, I am thinking they are not the same.

Actually, the Powershift is over my budget. I am thinking of getting only the Trand M/T or the 5 door Trend A/T (around 700++ to 850++). My problem is they dont have airbag for passenger. You have idea what.s the best dealer to go to, and how to get discounts on price? And how much it would cost to install another airbag.

[AG4]

I am sorry I am not familiar with the dual clutch in powershift. I was talking about dual clutch in older cars and some new race cars wherein you have to press the clutch twice to change gears. In other words, more work than the traditional M/T. But it was called double clutch. So now, I am thinking they are not the same.

What you're talking about is the old "non-synchomesh transmission" where the method used for shifting gears is called "double declutch" or "double clutch".

The Dual-Clutch Powershift of Ford is one of the most advanced type of semi-automatic transmissions out there in the market now.
By the way, the dual-clutch Powershift has no clutch pedal.

Powershift

Jointly developed by Ford and transmission specialists GETRAG, the gearbox consists of two layshaft transmissions working in parallel, each with its own wet clutch unit. Thanks to the layout of the intermediate shafts – one carrying the 'uneven' gears 1, 3 and 5, while the other one 'even' gears 2, 4 and 6 – the next gear change can be prepared by pre-selection whilst in motion and at full power.

As a result, in this configuration, the average fuel consumption improves by around 10 per cent, and CO2 emissions will be lower, compared to a conventional six-speed torque converter automatic transmission

http://media.ford.com/print_doc.cfm?article_id=26821

Actually, the Powershift is over my budget. I am thinking of getting only the Trand M/T or the 5 door Trend A/T (around 700++ to 850++). My problem is they dont have airbag for passenger. You have idea what.s the best dealer to go to, and how to get discounts on price? And how much it would cost to install another airbag.

I don't know if you can have one installed.
Dual-Airbags start with the P989K 2.0 liter Ghia, this model is actually very well equipped considering its sub-P1M price.

[skylineGTR]

Sir denis sulit po talaga yung focus tdci, there's so much low rpm torque, which you cannot experience in any other models it its class. once magkick in na yung turbo, feeling mo hindi umaandar yung mga katabi mo and at the same time matipid parin kahit malakas yung acceleration mo kasi pwede mo parin maexperience yung sobrang hatak kahit na hanggang 2K rpm k lang.

One more thing, the dual clutch transmission upshift so smoothly that you doesn't feel much when its shifting, all you will notice is that your rpm is just dropping everytime it upshifts.

sobrang sulit tlaga, ang bilis pa mareach yung top speed nya, unfortunately so far 180kph palang nareach ko kasi sa nlex lang nung nag-open yung overtaking lane, sobrang tahimik parin.

sa ford libis din kami, mababait nga yung mga tao dun

[FWC]

Ang dami palang Ford lovers dito, ah! Hey guys, how about joining FCP? During our last EB, more than 110 members showed up. It was really fun!

BTT: To check if the TDCI is worth it, calculate how long it would take you to recover the price difference between the TDCI and the model you are aiming for.

First, calculate how many kilometers you travel per month.

Second, calculate your fuel consumption using a TDCI. Economy driving, the TDCI goes 24 kms/liter. Normal driving is 21 kms./liter. And if you really trash it, it still goes 17 kms/liter.

This, calculate your fuel consumption using the car you want. The 2.0 liter will normally go 8 kms/liter on city, 10 kms/liter on long trips. The 1.8 will go around 9 kms/liter on city, and 11 kms/liter on long trips. (The Focus is heavier than morst cars in its class because they use a lot of insulation and the panels are generally thicker. That is why it has the doors have that European "thud' when you close them).

Third, calculate the monthly difference in fuel by subtracting the TDCI's fuel consumption from that of the car you want.

Finally, calculate the recovery period by dividing the price difference between the two cars with the monthly savings in fuel.

You will be surprised. Depending on how much you travel, you can actually recover the price difference between 6 to 12 months. From there on, it is pure savings. And to top it, you have a vehicle that can easily hit 240 kph when you need it.

[s_quilicot]

i just happened to test drive the 2.0L dual clutch focus.

:jawdrop:

grabe lakas ng torque. parang papalitan na namin 1.8 altis namin with this focus.

grabe ganda. pero masikip.

[ghosthunter]

i just happened to test drive the 2.0L dual clutch focus.

grabe lakas ng torque. parang papalitan na namin 1.8 altis namin with this focus.

grabe ganda. pero masikip.

Yup, the Focus TDCi DSG is a very fun drive because of the loads of torque available even at low RPMs. Too bad the interior of the car still lets it down against other cars in it's class and price range, namely the Lancer EX GT-A.

Another car that might match the Focus is the Hyundai i30 but with only a 1.6 turbo diesel engine, it has less power than the Focus TDCi but still enough to match the other 2.0L petrol powered cars in the class. It's also a fun drive but you will certainly feel the lower limits of it's performance/handling if compared to cars like the Lancer & Focus.

[s_quilicot]

Yup, the Focus TDCi DSG is a very fun drive because of the loads of torque available even at low RPMs. Too bad the interior of the car still lets it down against other cars in it's class and price range, namely the Lancer EX GT-A.

Another car that might match the Focus is the Hyundai i30 but with only a 1.6 turbo diesel engine, it has less power than the Focus TDCi but still enough to match the other 2.0L petrol powered cars in the class. It's also a fun drive but you will certainly feel the lower limits of it's performance/handling if compared to cars like the Lancer & Focus.

well said GH.

if im gonna rate the looks, surely the focus would be the last and the lancer would be my top picl.

re: the torque of foucs.

i can still feel the pressure on my back when floored it.

i was able to go beyond 120kmh * commonwealth yesterday at around 12NN considering thers a lot of traffic. sarapa mag overtake.

only downside for me is the sapce, legroom headroom.

and oh, the interior materials feels cheap for me IMO.


is it a gamble to buy the dual clucth GH?

[niky]

The dual clutch system is electronically controlled to preserve the clutches. It won't allow clutch sliding or juddering.

They should last longer than a regular manual clutch, given the same driving... probably well past 100,000 kilometers. Yun lang, you're stuck with casa replacement when they go.

[s_quilicot]

The dual clutch system is electronically controlled to preserve the clutches. It won't allow clutch sliding or juddering.

They should last longer than a regular manual clutch, given the same driving... probably well past 100,000 kilometers. Yun lang, you're stuck with casa replacement when they go.

niky, is it normal na there's a slight delay on the gear change whenever i use the manual mode?

almost half a second.

[ghosthunter]

is it a gamble to buy the dual clucth GH?

Assuming you will not do drag race launches in the car, the Focus DSG would actually be a good buy IF you can gamble on the rest of the car having minimal trouble in the long run. The DSG would be the least of your worries.

At least you have alternatives outside the Ford casa if you need to have some parts replaced. Even then, simple parts can still be friggin' expensive.

[ghosthunter]

niky, is it normal na there's a slight delay on the gear change whenever i use the manual mode?

almost half a second.

Yes, but very slight from my test drive.

[niky]

niky, is it normal na there's a slight delay on the gear change whenever i use the manual mode?

almost half a second.

Yup. Depends on what gear and whether you're on the power or not. The gear changes themselves are instant. The decision of the ECU whether to let you change gears or not, isn't.

The only part of the Focus TDCi which is not common with the regular Focus is the engine itself and the ECU. All suspension and body parts are common with the regular Focus, and, in a pinch, you can actually use Mazda3 suspension bits with a bit of shaving and shoehorning, but the tuning is different... meaning to say, the Mazda3's suspension settings suck compared to the Focus... especially the new Focus, which is much better than the previous one.

[s_quilicot]

Yes, but very slight from my test drive.

Yup. Depends on what gear and whether you're on the power or not. The gear changes themselves are instant. The decision of the ECU whether to let you change gears or not, isn't.

The only part of the Focus TDCi which is not common with the regular Focus is the engine itself and the ECU. All suspension and body parts are common with the regular Focus, and, in a pinch, you can actually use Mazda3 suspension bits with a bit of shaving and shoehorning, but the tuning is different... meaning to say, the Mazda3's suspension settings suck compared to the Focus... especially the new Focus, which is much better than the previous one.

Thanks chikboys

btw, what do you think of focus's interior? for me its kindi "cheap" materials.

horn button is hard and only on the center of the steering wheel.

[AG4]

Thanks chikboys

btw, what do you think of focus's interior? for me its kindi "cheap" materials.

I wouldn't call it cheap, they actually improved the interior by giving the 2009 Focus soft touch plastics (dashboard & doors).

horn button is hard and only on the center of the steering wheel.

I'm not sure about the 2009 model, but with the pre-facelift model, you can still honk the horn by pressing the sides of the steering wheel hub, but it requires more force so I just press the area near the center of the hub when I use the horn.

[niky]

Yeah. The plastics are much better than last year's model... softer. The only thing cheaper is the finish on the center stack.

Sagot lang diyan? Spray paint the center stack...