Lahat ba ng CRDI "pareha"?

[suv]

I mean pareha ng level or ano mas ok?

Hyundai?

Toyota?

Ford?

etc....etc...etc....etc

[yuichi]

Flammable yan bro, no comment ako dyan.

pagusapan na lang natin buti pa kinaibanah ng B18A at ng B18C ng Honda.

[suv]

Flammable yan bro, no comment ako dyan.

pagusapan na lang natin buti pa kinaibanah ng B18A at ng B18C ng Honda.

sir hindi ako makarelate....ano yung B18A at B18C?

Kasi sabi sa akin ng Sales Assistant ng KIA eh yung CRDI daw nila eh pumasa daw sa european standard.....

Compare daw nya yung carens sa innova eh mas mataas daw crdi ng carens... parang may level na sinabi sa akin hindi ko lang naalala....

[batang_raon14]

First thing you do when you look for a vehicle is ask people who actually own the unit and NEVER a salesman. Salesmen will always do their best to praise their products while discriminating that of the competition.

And one thing I've learned from CarloCarAddict: "Don't judge a car unless you've driven it".. These vehicles, even if they're all CRDi, never means that they all run in the same characteristics. They may look similar on paper or on a salesman's mouth, but never once the vehicle's set in motion.

[suv]

First thing you do when you look for a vehicle is ask people who actually own the unit and NEVER a salesman. Salesmen will always do their best to praise their products while discriminating that of the competition.

And one thing I've learned from CarloCarAddict: "Don't judge a car unless you've driven it".. These vehicles, even if they're all CRDi, never means that they all run in the same characteristics. They may look similar on paper or on a salesman's mouth, but never once the vehicle's set in motion.

Na test drive ko yung carens.....Pero iba iba daw level ng CRDI.... So yun ang gusto ko malaman dito sa mga experts....

[kinyo]

hindi ako expert ... hindi ko alam kung ano ibig sabihin ng "level" na nabanggit

sa pagkaalam ko, natural na hindi pare-pareho ang CRDI engines, iba-iba kasi ang manufacturers ... and the engine design evolves over time ... it can be expected that higher power can be produced with the same engine displacement as engineering improves ... apparently, european manufacturers have a lead on this technology ... in fact, some korean models use crdi engines made in europe

CRDI technology greatly depends basically on two major parts of the engine ... the fuel pump that produces up to 30,000 psi of pressure and the fuel injectors which are manufactured with precision to achieve the proper injection timing ... one german manufacturer seems bent on using piezoelectric device on their future injectors instead of conventional solenoid just to improve their ability for shorter injection time, hence better fuel economy

so whatever "level" means by the TS, the answer is NO, CRDI engines are not "pareha" ... but then again, i'm not an expert

halimbawa na lang ... merong 2.0 CRDI engine na 110 HP (Tucson, Sportage) at meron na rin ngayon 2.0 CRDI na 150 HP (Captiva) ... meron nang improvement di ba?

[claRkEnt]

Flammable yan bro, no comment ako dyan.

pagusapan na lang natin buti pa kinaibanah ng B18A at ng B18C ng Honda.

:funny:

calling all Fanbois... join the fray!

[HyBrideVo]

aba!


:popcorn:

[yourman]

i am also wondering how come:

2.2 crdi vgt sta fe = 150 ps
2.0 crdi captiva = 150 ps
2.0 crdi sportage = 112 ps
2.0 crdi vgt carens = 142 ps
2.5 d4d fortuner = ?
2.0 d4d innova = ?
3.0 d4d fortuner = ?.

it is very clear that crdi's with vgt are more powerful than crdi's with intercooler turbo only

sta fe, i think, is the most powerful crdi among the list above?

mga masters, what do you think?

[lui]

nku mahirap nga sumali dito... maganda talaga testdrive muna.

[nels76]

Very hot itong topic na to. Walang katapusan to.

Parang AMD vs. Intel or XBOX 360 vs. PS3.

[suv]

naalala ko na yung sinabi ng sales assitant.....

Ano ibig sabihin ng euro 4 compliant?

Euro-4 compliant daw ang carens......lahat ba ng hyundai and kia crdi euro 4 compliant?

How about sa toyota, isuze, chevrolet, etc crdi?

[4JGtootsie]

Basta bosch ang system dependable.
Siemens/VDO humihirit na rin sa electronic fuel systems.

[alwayz_yummy]

as i know, talagang test drive.. pero amongst the new diesels, toyota has the weakest stock output...and the most modern amongst them found on the korean brands, hyundai and kia...i heard na 170ps ang 2.5L-vgt ng grand-starex

mitsu's crdi is relatively new and the 2.5L and 3.2L are based from their legendary engine: 4d56 and 4m41.

nissan's "new" YD25-NEO-Di is an improved version of the japanese YD25-neo-Di found in the 1999-up nissan serena (which was released here only with SR20DE engine)

ford's TDCi is also better, can be at par with the korean/euro diesels..

toyota, as i sad, the 1kd-ftv(3.0L) and the 2kd-ftv(2.5L) has the weakest stock output.. pero humors say that the 2.5L-2kd-ftv found on the innovas, hi-ace, and hilux can be tweaked to 170ps an an improved torque by chip-ad-on/modification..but still, do a same tweaking on a new VGT-crdi of a korean, results will still far exceed that of the toyota..

cant comment yet on the crdi of chevy--for sure is korean too and modern in a sense...

but 1 thing i am sure: the 07 carnival LX 5-AT CRDi, non-VGT(eto ang pala ang nilabas sa atin!). 2.9L churns 160ps*3.7t, 35kg-m*2t pulls and drives like a 3.0 v6 cefiro, only in diesel form and a much more roomier... but no matter how hard i floor it, to make it smoke....i failed. i just enjoyed driving it, now i like to own one now--EX-SWB with almost all power amenities that you can find in a previa... ps: ( korean 2.9vgt has a 170ps *3.5t, 35kg-m *1.8t)

basta un nga, drive first before you compare.. kung hindi, trust your instinct and interview the guys at the parking lot...(i sometimes do this)

[jarhead]

different brands of car has different types of crdi.. eventhough it has the basic desyn and concept. still its different from one another because each manufacturer has its own technique or specs on how the crdi should function or perform...

and yup pumasa ang kia sa europe kc thats where they sell most also than the US... and euro ang basehan ng emission natin.. usually the phils law requires the euro2 na standard and the US and europe area the euro3.. but meron din asian brands na euro3...

suv, maybe they are refering to the generation ng CRDi or the way th engine is built... meron kc upgraded and meron din na from top-bottom is all new... .. upgraded meaning that the engine is based on previous or existing engine models and adjusted and retrofiited to be a crdi engine...

[ferdine]

This technology in diesel engines is now shared by engine developers. They use the same principle however each manufacturer/developer has its own advancement over other competitors. Very pervasive ang Bosch system sa Europe and even now in Asia (Hyundai/Kia) due to their very advanced design and reliability. One example, just look at the current KIA Sorento. It's an aging model but then tanungin mo nalang mga owners and definitely they will tell you the engine/fuel system is very robust and reliable. (Wala akong sinabi sa Denso ha.;)
So my answer your question in NO they are not the same. What is the same is the underlying principle of the technology but it is in implementation that makes the difference. My prediction is that the HYUNDAI/KIA duo will have a better position of eating up more of the CRDI market in the future because of increased customer confidence and we must not forget that word of mouth coming from very satisfied customer base is also very effective.

[hominid]

Basta for now ang pinaka maganda un sa Hyundai/Kia. Pinaka bulok sa Toyota.

[pup2]

Na test drive ko yung carens.....Pero iba iba daw level ng CRDI.... So yun ang gusto ko malaman dito sa mga experts....

Kung naka test drive ka na ng carens, why take others' word for it? Test drive mo na din yung closest competitor(s) niya na pasok sa short list mo. :bow ako:

[rvt]

Basta for now ang pinaka maganda un sa Hyundai/Kia. Pinaka bulok sa Toyota.

Well the forum shouts it all . . . . . goodbye T O Y O T A ! !

[numbah5]

^ wag naman kayo ganyan sa toyota... yung 2.5 D-4D lang naman mahina nila kahit naka VGT na... yung 3.0 D-4D VGT naman nila malakas ang power, 163 ps at 343 Nm compared sa Isuzu 3.0 i-Teq na 146 ps at 294 Nm lang... ang nakalamang lang talaga sa Toyota is yung Mitsubishi 3.2 DI-D na 165 ps at 350 Nm na nasa Gen. 4 Pajero.. di ko na sinama yung sa Hyundai na 3.0 kasi V6 yun eh... puro inline-4 lang yung mga binanggit ko..