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[MR_BIG18]

correct, but it means you can have a better performance car even with a stock 1.5 engine.

as stated from my previous post, unmodified vehicles pls, nobody will argue bout power to weight ratio...thats already a given..yes better performance not solely by changing the exhaust...

[enzo6k]

Years ago, i'd regularly hear a tuned boxer engine in our neighborhood from a block away. Sadly, that same vehicle was involved in a fatal accident.





I hold the same thoughts. With a typical old vehicle (let's say, a 90s 1.6L), there is more power and efficiency to be gained by ensuring the vehicle is properly tuned, and all components are functioning optimally (sensors, A/F, drivetrain, etc.) before looking at the bolt-ons.

If people start bringing up "how about a 4AGE, SR20?", etc. That's already a different discussion from the run-of-the-mill GAs, 4AFEs, SOHC VTEC, and similar mass-produced engines, as we are already talking about tuner oriented engines.

If you do upgrade, gains will also depend on how restrictive the stock system is as well; on a GA engined B14 Sentra many years ago, we tried using headers hooked up to the aftermarket exhaust system and there were no gains. We swapped the intake to a cold-air system and voila, it gained a better top-end - the problem was the restrictive intake system. In contrast, I've also seen aftermarket mano-mano exhaust systems even ruin a car's powerband (lost too much low and mid end to negate the top end gains) when the vehicle was hooked up on a dyno to verify the changes. SCC also did a test before: A stock GA16DE engine will put around 80+ hp at the wheels. Using a well-designed intake and exhaust system together with tuning will bring it up to around 105-110hp at the wheels (similar output to the HP at the crank), and this is with an engine that was known to have a restrictive intake and exhaust system (so it was an more of a outlier than the norm).

less restrictive intake (engine bay noise) + less restrictive exhaust (louder exhaust) = but improved torque/hp
the noise is the trade-off, so its up to us of what we choose. im not saying i vote for the irritating loud mufflers, for the TS i recommend japan branded muffler that has a less restriction but with acceptable db level as per jasma.

[innova2013]

kung hindi talaga mapigilan mag muffler.

hanap na lang ng Japan surplus na JASMA certified na chambered muffler. tapos 24" custom-made resonator. same sound ng stock muffler at idle, tapos mahinang grunt lang ang tunog kapag binibirit.

or hanap ng muffler na may silencer attachment. (may silencer for daily use, tanggalin na lang during track day).

para hindi istorbo sa kapit bahay at sa ibang tao.

[enzo6k]

as stated from my previous post, unmodified vehicles pls, nobody will argue bout power to weight ratio...thats already a given..yes better performance not solely by changing the exhaust...

sorry my bad for including weight reduction mods. regarding for better performance, yes but we need to start somewhere even if only for a slight increase, that's the correct approach anyway. keep on driving and as you go along you will know what needs to be improve, then mods one at a time, then dyno it or lap it, there you can verify if it did improve or not or worse. thanks sir

[MR_BIG18]

sorry my bad for including weight reduction mods. regarding for better performance, yes but we need to start somewhere even if only for a slight increase, that's the correct approach anyway. keep on driving and as you go along you will know what needs to be improve, then mods one at a time, then dyno it or lap it, there you can verify if it did improve or not or worse. thanks sir

guilty of doing the I/H/E route when i was younger, like 20 years ago, evrybody goes thru that phase, i was also contemplating of upgraging my subaru with downpipe, invidia cat and a ecutek tune, a conservative tune will net me around 280-300hp at the wheels....i did 230kph at tplex before, but that novelty soon faded..what did i accomplish? wala.......yabang lang...

[Salanguit]

Ay grabe naman dito, diko alam kung nasagot yung tanong ko, oh kumuha lang ako ng haters. Mali pa ata yung pag gamit ko ng salitang "macho". Pag magpapakabit na pala ngayon ng exhaust automatic magyayabang kana. Hirap nmn nun, di lahat ng may sasakyan pare pareho po. Anyway salamat na din. Salamat dun sa sumagot ng derecho sa tanong.

[MR_BIG18]

Ay grabe naman dito, diko alam kung nasagot yung tanong ko, oh kumuha lang ako ng haters. Mali pa ata yung pag gamit ko ng salitang "macho". Pag magpapakabit na pala ngayon ng exhaust automatic magyayabang kana. Hirap nmn nun, di lahat ng may sasakyan pare pareho po. Anyway salamat na din. Salamat dun sa sumagot ng derecho sa tanong.

we apologize....remember sir, those are just opinions, dont take it personally, if you really want to be macho, i could help you with that

[Salanguit]

we apologize....remember sir, those are just opinions, dont take it personally, if you really want to be macho, i could help you withh that

Hehe. Wala nmn boss yun. Diko lang ma gets kung bakit may galet, pati pagkalalaki na kwestyon pa haha. Kaya nga ako nagtanong ng malinawan, buti pa yung kay ginnova nag provide ng option, may mga ganun pala. Ganun nlng sana. Ayos nmn ako sa opinyon kaso parang may mali lang. Well, ayus na. Hanap hanap nlng. Wala ako msyado alam sa tuning or ano man, nagustuhan ko lang magpakabet, kase yung brother in law ko meron di sya maingay gaya nung sinasabi ng ilan dito, wala pang kapitbahay na nagalet so kaya naging interested ako. Kaso sa gilid gilid lang pinagawa, di sya mukang stainless eh. Parang talyer made ata sa marikina daw.

[enzo6k]

guilty of doing the I/H/E route when i was younger, like 20 years ago, evrybody goes thru that phase, i was also contemplating of upgraging my subaru with downpipe, invidia cat and a ecutek tune, a conservative tune will net me around 280-300hp at the wheels....i did 230kph at tplex before, but that novelty soon faded..what did i accomplish? wala.......yabang lang...

nice! as for me, anything that will improve the performance no matter how big or small is acceptable, because thats what keep the excitement of driving.

i have a base model 1.3 vios all stock from factory. since it is already old, gunk accumulated the catcon, so i replaced it with a pipe (same diameter as the rest) then the car felt light (bec no more gunk restricted cat) an improved torque maybe. so bec of that i want more less restriction, a jasma muffler came in, then the car response on hi speed improved, easy to regain speed. but then, i let more air out but not more air in so i ditch the airbox for a short ram. then some to improvement on fuel supply to match those air, and something to perfectly ignite those craziness

oh and ofcourse, better brakes for safety.

so, for TS go for the JASMA muffler and start from there

[MR_BIG18]

nice! as for me, anything that will improve the performance no matter how big or small is acceptable, because thats what keep the excitement of driving.

i have a base model 1.3 vios all stock from factory. since it is already old, gunk accumulated the catcon, so i replaced it with a pipe (same diameter as the rest) then the car felt light (bec no more gunk restricted cat) an improved torque maybe. so bec of that i want more less restriction, a jasma muffler came in, then the car response on hi speed improved, easy to regain speed. but then, i let more air out but not more air in so i ditch the airbox for a short ram. the some to improvement to fuel supply to match those air, and something to perfectly ignite those craziness

oh and ofcourse, better brakes for safety.

so, for TS go for the JASMA muffler and start from there

go ahead papi, as long as you are happy...

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Hehe. Wala nmn boss yun. Diko lang ma gets kung bakit may galet, pati pagkalalaki na kwestyon pa haha. Kaya nga ako nagtanong ng malinawan, buti pa yung kay ginnova nag provide ng option, may mga ganun pala. Ganun nlng sana. Ayos nmn ako sa opinyon kaso parang may mali lang. Well, ayus na. Hanap hanap nlng. Wala ako msyado alam sa tuning or ano man, nagustuhan ko lang magpakabet, kase yung brother in law ko meron di sya maingay gaya nung sinasabi ng ilan dito, wala pang kapitbahay na nagalet so kaya naging interested ako. Kaso sa gilid gilid lang pinagawa, di sya mukang stainless eh. Parang talyer made ata sa marikina daw.

tama, walang basagan ng trip....

[Salanguit]

San ko nga pala makikita si JASMA? So alam na nila gagawin dun, sila ba magkakabet or selling lang?

Teka, nakakatanggal ba ng warranty ang pagpalit ng tambutso?

[enzo6k]

San ko nga pala makikita si JASMA? So alam na nila gagawin dun, sila ba magkakabet or selling lang?

Teka, nakakatanggal ba ng warranty ang pagpalit ng tambutso?

sa surplasan or sa selling sites. JASMA is just a badge stamped on a muffler, so pwedeng iba ibang brand yung muffler as long as meron jasma stamp. ingat sa mga nagkalat ngayon na bnew tapos may tatak jasma.

[Egan101]

How much are those decent exhaust system nowadays? Is 10% gains on power/torque achievable? I am thinking of some mods for my Fiesta Ecoboost when its warranty ends. Or a Bluefin ECU remap kit be a better modification?

[jaypee10]

sa surplasan or sa selling sites. JASMA is just a badge stamped on a muffler, so pwedeng iba ibang brand yung muffler as long as meron jasma stamp. ingat sa mga nagkalat ngayon na bnew tapos may tatak jasma.

naka kuha ako sa evangelista ang ganda pa.galing sa honda jazz.kaya kasama pa ung pinaka tubo niya pina kabit ko sa dating 96 vti ko.ganda ng tunog di naman maingay.pero pag putok ng vtec saka palang tutunog ng maganda.

surplus 4k kuha ko orig talagang JASMAaminin din natin na may naitutulong sa perpormance itong mga modify pipe na ito.at hindi pang macho lang..

[Salanguit]

Salamat mga sir, may mabibigay ba kyong shop malapit sa makati na may mga legit na ganito? Tamang tama sa bonus sa december toh. Thanks ulet.

[enzo6k]

How much are those decent exhaust system nowadays? Is 10% gains on power/torque achievable? I am thinking of some mods for my Fiesta Ecoboost when its warranty ends. Or a Bluefin ECU remap kit be a better modification?

ECU is better, bec you can properly tune your engine to adopt anything you mods like what mr big18 have. surplus jasma muffler 4k-7k. used full exhaust maybe 15k

[enzo6k]

Salamat mga sir, may mabibigay ba kyong shop malapit sa makati na may mga legit na ganito? Tamang tama sa bonus sa december toh. Thanks ulet.

ikot ikot ka nalang sa evangelista sir. hanap ka nalang ng type mo porma, usually may kasama pipe yan with a flange like what jaypee found, 2" inlet is just right, pwede pagtyagaan ang 2.5" if no choice, but dont go 3" or bigger.

btw may jasma codes yan per brand.


001 Rattan šâ engineering and research industry Inc. (Fujitsubo Giken Co. Ltd.)
002 M-TEC Inc.
003 Ikeda industry
004 Takeoff Inc. 004
005 5ZIGEN international Inc.
006 Trust Inc.
008 Pine Shaw Inc.
011 HONDA twin cam Inc.
012 Gee earl Inc.
013 Jieiruto Inc.
017 Kakimotoreshingu Inc. 017 <-- Kakimoto Special Racing Produce
019 Knight sport Inc.
021 Buritsutsu Inc.
026 Tanabe Inc.
035 Taniguchi Inc.
037 Hoshinoinparu Inc.
038 Mainzuueibu Inc.
041 Meiwa Inc.
044 Spoon Inc.
045 Makishimuwakusu Inc.
046 Re-Amemiya
047 Akiyure Inc.
048 Apekusera Inc.
051 HKS Racing { Etching k s Inc. HKS Racing}
061 Fujita engineering Inc
067 Jiyaosu Inc.
069 Starting line Inc.
074 A tea sea international Japan Inc.
076 Sun automobile industry Inc.
083 Love lark Inc.
088 Katsu Inc.
091 Yajima industry Inc.
097 Automatic backs seven Inc.
100 Zero sports Inc. 100
106 Possession the Suruga Seiki Inc.
110 Top line Inc.
111 Huaburesu Inc.
113 Can tile office
114 Garcon division
115 Kind technostructure Inc.
119 Car land
120 Otoekuze Inc.
122 Yamato Inc.
123 Free way Inc.
124 Ovuareshingupurodakutsu Inc.
125 Gee piece Potts Inc.
126 Lucky automatic Inc.
129 Ebansupuranningu asuretsuku division
130 Iida Inc.

[Egan101]

ECU is better, bec you can properly tune your engine to adopt anything you mods like what mr big18 have. surplus jasma muffler 4k-7k. used full exhaust maybe 15k

Bluefin ECU remap costs around 21k+. The challenge with most AT (traditional AT, DCT, CVT) cars is the torque peak limit of the tranny. I guess something like 150hp/200Nm is achievable with the 1.0L turbo with DCT, still a good improvement over the stock 125hp/170Nm output.

An ECU upgrade on the FXT can bring its output same to what the stock WRX can produce (241hp/350Nm to 268 hp/350Nm). With other mods (intake, exhaust, etc.), it's an easy 280hp. You need grippier tires though for better traction. The stock Duelers on the FXT are good for all around utility purposes but not like the grip of the Potenza Adrenalins.

[monty_GTV]

Salamat mga sir, may mabibigay ba kyong shop malapit sa makati na may mga legit na ganito? Tamang tama sa bonus sa december toh. Thanks ulet.

you might want to inquire sa ibinigay kong shop at contact si Dante sa previous post ko. marami na silang ginawang sa exhaust system ng car o suv. you can buy an aftermarket muffler then ipa-install mo or they can fabricate a muffler for you. may thread dati dito where i posted photos ng ikinabit yung magnaflow muffler at exhaust pipes ng sasakyan ko.

by the way, sa exhaust modification kung may gain man sa power very minimal lang o totally wala. and bigger diameter is not always better. kung gusto mo ng malaking power gain even without modifying your exhaust, remapping is your best option...

since si TS ay yung sound lang naman ang habol, palitan mo lang stock muffler mo ng mas maiksi o maliit na muffler then you are good to go, iingay na yan...

[enzo6k]

Bluefin ECU remap costs around 21k+. The challenge with most AT (traditional AT, DCT, CVT) cars is the torque peak limit of the tranny. I guess something like 150hp/200Nm is achievable with the 1.0L turbo with DCT, still a good improvement over the stock 125hp/170Nm output.

An ECU upgrade on the FXT can bring its output same to what the stock WRX can produce (241hp/350Nm to 268 hp/350Nm). With other mods (intake, exhaust, etc.), it's an easy 280hp. You need grippier tires though for better traction. The stock Duelers on the FXT are good for all around utility purposes but not like the grip of the Potenza Adrenalins.

practicality wise, if you go for full exhaust then your torque band will go somewhere, so you still have to remap after to keep yourself on the torque band as the AT shifts