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  1. Join Date
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    #1
    Hi guys,

    My car is a 1.5 CVT HONDA JAZZ 30,000 KM, last PMS was at 22,000 KM All done sa casa.

    The casa said I got hit by contaminated E-10?

    Here is the story:

    Naputol kasi ang transmission/engine support ko a few days ago so it was replaced under warranty.

    Nung inuwi ko from casa, nagsimula na shang manginig pag umaandar and it progressed-- one day mild pa then dinala ko ulit sa casa, may adjustments sila na ginawa pero tingin daw nila contaminated fuel kaso konti na lang fuel sa tank ko non so sabi sa ken ubusin ko na lang daw dahil sayang naman ibabayad ko sa fuel flushing na 2500. Wala kasing way na maiflush yung fuel unless ibababa ang fuel tank-

    So nung nilabas ko, inubos ko na muna ang E-10 at nagpakarga ako ng PETRON UNLEADED, aba naging mas malala na as in parang matatanggal makina ko. Nakarinig na din ako ng knocking sound tapos yung nginig parang naging diesel na sha-

    Binalik ko sa casa next day and they adjusted the transmission supports, cleaned the spark plugs saka karburador daw madumi, chineck nila lahat engine, transmission (CVT), wheels, alignment at okay naman daw lahat. They reprogrammed everything at ang di lang nila matest daw yung fuel kasi wala daw sila pantest non. So sabi sa ken baka daw ilang karga ng bagong gasolina, mawala na din daw totally kasi naging mild na lang sha.

    Teka, Hindi ba fuel-injected ang Jazz? May carburetor pala ito? Di ba dapat wala?

    Anyway, inuwi ko and sabihin na natin na nagimprove sha ng 80% sa mga ginawa nila. Kaya lang, on idle nanginging pa rin kasi bumabagsak ng konti sa 1 yung RPM so isip ko papadjust ko na lang ulit, pero obserbahan ko muna after 2 karga ng Petron BLAZE. So nung namula na ang fuel indicator, karga na ko ng Blaze 500 pesos. Gumanda naman ang takbo-- smooth sha pag mabilis kaso yun nga nangingig sa idle pag naka-tambay which is adjustment lang ata ang katapat.

    Kaso napansin ko nitong 2nd karga ko ng Blaze (pangalawang empty tank ko na), medyo may mild nginig pa rin miski tumatakbo sa hiway tapos yung tambutso ko pala is parang iba ang sound, parang tunog nya medyo garalgal na parang may intermittent na pumuputok putok na mahina sa loob, parang may bumabara dun sa hangin ng exhaust pipe pero wala namang usok or what.

    Ano po kaya ang problema nito? Sa tingin nyo ba miski nagload na ko ng Petron Blaze 2nd time, dapat ipa-fuel flush ko na ito??? Ano pa ba ang dapat ko ipacheck sa kanila or ipalinis?

    Under warranty pa yung oto ko so okay naman ipacheck lahat sa casa.

    Any inputs will be greatly appreciated

  2. Join Date
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    #2
    Run it hard at sustained high speed high rpm para ma test mo delivery ng injectors and to flush what ever is in the system. At 22k baba agad ang tank?
    Kamusta fuel filter?

  3. Join Date
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    #3
    Personally, I am not convinced by the "contaminated E-10" theory! You said they can't/did not test the fuel so the argument does not sound logical.

    You have changed your fuel, as you said, several times....... and the problem was still there. That to me does not support the bad fuel argument either.

    You might want to get a second opinion. ...maybe from another casa (if you prefer) with a different set of mechanics.


    Quote Originally Posted by av427 View Post
    Hi guys,

    My car is a 1.5 CVT HONDA JAZZ 30,000 KM, last PMS was at 22,000 KM All done sa casa.

    The casa said I got hit by contaminated E-10?

    Here is the story:

    Naputol kasi ang transmission/engine support ko a few days ago so it was replaced under warranty.

    Nung inuwi ko from casa, nagsimula na shang manginig pag umaandar and it progressed-- one day mild pa then dinala ko ulit sa casa, may adjustments sila na ginawa pero tingin daw nila contaminated fuel kaso konti na lang fuel sa tank ko non so sabi sa ken ubusin ko na lang daw dahil sayang naman ibabayad ko sa fuel flushing na 2500. Wala kasing way na maiflush yung fuel unless ibababa ang fuel tank-

    So nung nilabas ko, inubos ko na muna ang E-10 at nagpakarga ako ng PETRON UNLEADED, aba naging mas malala na as in parang matatanggal makina ko. Nakarinig na din ako ng knocking sound tapos yung nginig parang naging diesel na sha-

    Binalik ko sa casa next day and they adjusted the transmission supports, cleaned the spark plugs saka karburador daw madumi, chineck nila lahat engine, transmission (CVT), wheels, alignment at okay naman daw lahat. They reprogrammed everything at ang di lang nila matest daw yung fuel kasi wala daw sila pantest non. So sabi sa ken baka daw ilang karga ng bagong gasolina, mawala na din daw totally kasi naging mild na lang sha.

    Teka, Hindi ba fuel-injected ang Jazz? May carburetor pala ito? Di ba dapat wala?

    Anyway, inuwi ko and sabihin na natin na nagimprove sha ng 80% sa mga ginawa nila. Kaya lang, on idle nanginging pa rin kasi bumabagsak ng konti sa 1 yung RPM so isip ko papadjust ko na lang ulit, pero obserbahan ko muna after 2 karga ng Petron BLAZE. So nung namula na ang fuel indicator, karga na ko ng Blaze 500 pesos. Gumanda naman ang takbo-- smooth sha pag mabilis kaso yun nga nangingig sa idle pag naka-tambay which is adjustment lang ata ang katapat.

    Kaso napansin ko nitong 2nd karga ko ng Blaze (pangalawang empty tank ko na), medyo may mild nginig pa rin miski tumatakbo sa hiway tapos yung tambutso ko pala is parang iba ang sound, parang tunog nya medyo garalgal na parang may intermittent na pumuputok putok na mahina sa loob, parang may bumabara dun sa hangin ng exhaust pipe pero wala namang usok or what.

    Ano po kaya ang problema nito? Sa tingin nyo ba miski nagload na ko ng Petron Blaze 2nd time, dapat ipa-fuel flush ko na ito??? Ano pa ba ang dapat ko ipacheck sa kanila or ipalinis?

    Under warranty pa yung oto ko so okay naman ipacheck lahat sa casa.

    Any inputs will be greatly appreciated

  4. Join Date
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    #4
    Replace the fuel filter. If the problem persists, it has to be the fuel injection system.

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    #5
    Agree to try another casa. Which casa was the one you have gone too for the initial diagnosis?

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    #6
    Sounds like a fuel system thing... baka nga baradong filter.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #7
    Sounds like a fuel system thing... baka nga baradong filter.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

  8. Join Date
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    #8
    Hi guys,

    First time ko lang kasi nagkaron ng ganyang diagnosis na contaminated E-10, dapat ba pag load ko ng bagong gasolina mawawala na totally yung nginig? Pano kung nabawasan lang after 2 karga ng 500 pesos na Blaze?

    Ang sabi ko nga sa SA, pag pina-fuel flush ko tapos andun pa din, dapat di nila ako singilin kasi ibig sabihin hindi contaminated fuel ang rason. Pag nawala ang nginig, then babayaran ko ang 2500. Tama naman yun di ba?

    I brought it sa Honda Alabang kasi lapit lang sa bahay namin pero Im thinking of getting a 2nd opinion sa Honda QA kasi nung naputol engine support ko, QA ang pinagdalhan ko kasi andun ako sa area na yun when the support cracked. Pero Alabang ko na pinapalit dahil dun ko kinuha unit saka lapit sa bahay-

    3 days nila chineck yung car ko, as in and wala daw talaga silang nakitang problem sa makina or any part nung car kaya fuel talaga ang sinasabi nilang culprit-- parang kumbinsido talaga silang contaminated E-10 dahil yun lang ang di nila nacheck.

    Ibabalik ko na nitong weekend kasi nagtataka ako garalgal yung tunog sa exhaust na parang may mahina na pumuputok putok sa loob nung tambutso ko, kumbaga hindi smooth ang labas ng hangin kaya baka another clue yan sa kanila di ba?

    Dapat kaya ibalik ko sa Alabang for oil filter change muna, okay na ba dapat yon miski wag ko na ifuel flush? Dapat ba kung contaminated E-10 talaga maayos sha ng fuel filter change?

    Thanks in advance for your inputs

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    #9
    bro, when the gas tank lights on, it deos not really mean totally empty ang tank, normally, there's around 10 liters left as reserve. now, you have mixed E-10 , then unleaded then blaze. totally, magkakaiba ng RON rating thus will need some adjustment sa timing.

    I suggest you drain out the tank, gas line, fuel pump & filter para surely maalis agad what ever mixture of gas is in there. Then ask them what will be the ideal fuel to use for your car base on it's originl timing adjustment. I think honda only recommend RON 93 and higher.

  10. Join Date
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    #10
    Sa tingin nyo guys dapat ba talaga ipa-drain ko ang gasoline tank? Parang extreme na kasi ito and to think di naman diesel ang kinarga ko, E-10 lang naman which is parehong unleaded din naman like unleaded and blaze.

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