Help regarding contaminated e-10???

[av427]

Hi guys,

My car is a 1.5 CVT HONDA JAZZ 30,000 KM, last PMS was at 22,000 KM All done sa casa.

The casa said I got hit by contaminated E-10?

Here is the story:

Naputol kasi ang transmission/engine support ko a few days ago so it was replaced under warranty.

Nung inuwi ko from casa, nagsimula na shang manginig pag umaandar and it progressed-- one day mild pa then dinala ko ulit sa casa, may adjustments sila na ginawa pero tingin daw nila contaminated fuel kaso konti na lang fuel sa tank ko non so sabi sa ken ubusin ko na lang daw dahil sayang naman ibabayad ko sa fuel flushing na 2500. Wala kasing way na maiflush yung fuel unless ibababa ang fuel tank-

So nung nilabas ko, inubos ko na muna ang E-10 at nagpakarga ako ng PETRON UNLEADED, aba naging mas malala na as in parang matatanggal makina ko. Nakarinig na din ako ng knocking sound tapos yung nginig parang naging diesel na sha-

Binalik ko sa casa next day and they adjusted the transmission supports, cleaned the spark plugs saka karburador daw madumi, chineck nila lahat engine, transmission (CVT), wheels, alignment at okay naman daw lahat. They reprogrammed everything at ang di lang nila matest daw yung fuel kasi wala daw sila pantest non. So sabi sa ken baka daw ilang karga ng bagong gasolina, mawala na din daw totally kasi naging mild na lang sha.

Teka, Hindi ba fuel-injected ang Jazz? May carburetor pala ito? Di ba dapat wala?

Anyway, inuwi ko and sabihin na natin na nagimprove sha ng 80% sa mga ginawa nila. Kaya lang, on idle nanginging pa rin kasi bumabagsak ng konti sa 1 yung RPM so isip ko papadjust ko na lang ulit, pero obserbahan ko muna after 2 karga ng Petron BLAZE. So nung namula na ang fuel indicator, karga na ko ng Blaze 500 pesos. Gumanda naman ang takbo-- smooth sha pag mabilis kaso yun nga nangingig sa idle pag naka-tambay which is adjustment lang ata ang katapat.

Kaso napansin ko nitong 2nd karga ko ng Blaze (pangalawang empty tank ko na), medyo may mild nginig pa rin miski tumatakbo sa hiway tapos yung tambutso ko pala is parang iba ang sound, parang tunog nya medyo garalgal na parang may intermittent na pumuputok putok na mahina sa loob, parang may bumabara dun sa hangin ng exhaust pipe pero wala namang usok or what.

Ano po kaya ang problema nito? Sa tingin nyo ba miski nagload na ko ng Petron Blaze 2nd time, dapat ipa-fuel flush ko na ito??? Ano pa ba ang dapat ko ipacheck sa kanila or ipalinis?

Under warranty pa yung oto ko so okay naman ipacheck lahat sa casa.

Any inputs will be greatly appreciated

[4JGtootsie]

Run it hard at sustained high speed high rpm para ma test mo delivery ng injectors and to flush what ever is in the system. At 22k baba agad ang tank?
Kamusta fuel filter?

[ericp]

Personally, I am not convinced by the "contaminated E-10" theory! You said they can't/did not test the fuel so the argument does not sound logical.

You have changed your fuel, as you said, several times....... and the problem was still there. That to me does not support the bad fuel argument either.

You might want to get a second opinion. ...maybe from another casa (if you prefer) with a different set of mechanics.

Hi guys,

My car is a 1.5 CVT HONDA JAZZ 30,000 KM, last PMS was at 22,000 KM All done sa casa.

The casa said I got hit by contaminated E-10?

Here is the story:

Naputol kasi ang transmission/engine support ko a few days ago so it was replaced under warranty.

Nung inuwi ko from casa, nagsimula na shang manginig pag umaandar and it progressed-- one day mild pa then dinala ko ulit sa casa, may adjustments sila na ginawa pero tingin daw nila contaminated fuel kaso konti na lang fuel sa tank ko non so sabi sa ken ubusin ko na lang daw dahil sayang naman ibabayad ko sa fuel flushing na 2500. Wala kasing way na maiflush yung fuel unless ibababa ang fuel tank-

So nung nilabas ko, inubos ko na muna ang E-10 at nagpakarga ako ng PETRON UNLEADED, aba naging mas malala na as in parang matatanggal makina ko. Nakarinig na din ako ng knocking sound tapos yung nginig parang naging diesel na sha-

Binalik ko sa casa next day and they adjusted the transmission supports, cleaned the spark plugs saka karburador daw madumi, chineck nila lahat engine, transmission (CVT), wheels, alignment at okay naman daw lahat. They reprogrammed everything at ang di lang nila matest daw yung fuel kasi wala daw sila pantest non. So sabi sa ken baka daw ilang karga ng bagong gasolina, mawala na din daw totally kasi naging mild na lang sha.

Teka, Hindi ba fuel-injected ang Jazz? May carburetor pala ito? Di ba dapat wala?

Anyway, inuwi ko and sabihin na natin na nagimprove sha ng 80% sa mga ginawa nila. Kaya lang, on idle nanginging pa rin kasi bumabagsak ng konti sa 1 yung RPM so isip ko papadjust ko na lang ulit, pero obserbahan ko muna after 2 karga ng Petron BLAZE. So nung namula na ang fuel indicator, karga na ko ng Blaze 500 pesos. Gumanda naman ang takbo-- smooth sha pag mabilis kaso yun nga nangingig sa idle pag naka-tambay which is adjustment lang ata ang katapat.

Kaso napansin ko nitong 2nd karga ko ng Blaze (pangalawang empty tank ko na), medyo may mild nginig pa rin miski tumatakbo sa hiway tapos yung tambutso ko pala is parang iba ang sound, parang tunog nya medyo garalgal na parang may intermittent na pumuputok putok na mahina sa loob, parang may bumabara dun sa hangin ng exhaust pipe pero wala namang usok or what.

Ano po kaya ang problema nito? Sa tingin nyo ba miski nagload na ko ng Petron Blaze 2nd time, dapat ipa-fuel flush ko na ito??? Ano pa ba ang dapat ko ipacheck sa kanila or ipalinis?

Under warranty pa yung oto ko so okay naman ipacheck lahat sa casa.

Any inputs will be greatly appreciated

[mr2]

Replace the fuel filter. If the problem persists, it has to be the fuel injection system.

[Autobeat]

Agree to try another casa. Which casa was the one you have gone too for the initial diagnosis?

[niky]

Sounds like a fuel system thing... baka nga baradong filter.

[niky]

Sounds like a fuel system thing... baka nga baradong filter.

[av427]

Hi guys,

First time ko lang kasi nagkaron ng ganyang diagnosis na contaminated E-10, dapat ba pag load ko ng bagong gasolina mawawala na totally yung nginig? Pano kung nabawasan lang after 2 karga ng 500 pesos na Blaze?

Ang sabi ko nga sa SA, pag pina-fuel flush ko tapos andun pa din, dapat di nila ako singilin kasi ibig sabihin hindi contaminated fuel ang rason. Pag nawala ang nginig, then babayaran ko ang 2500. Tama naman yun di ba?

I brought it sa Honda Alabang kasi lapit lang sa bahay namin pero Im thinking of getting a 2nd opinion sa Honda QA kasi nung naputol engine support ko, QA ang pinagdalhan ko kasi andun ako sa area na yun when the support cracked. Pero Alabang ko na pinapalit dahil dun ko kinuha unit saka lapit sa bahay-

3 days nila chineck yung car ko, as in and wala daw talaga silang nakitang problem sa makina or any part nung car kaya fuel talaga ang sinasabi nilang culprit-- parang kumbinsido talaga silang contaminated E-10 dahil yun lang ang di nila nacheck.

Ibabalik ko na nitong weekend kasi nagtataka ako garalgal yung tunog sa exhaust na parang may mahina na pumuputok putok sa loob nung tambutso ko, kumbaga hindi smooth ang labas ng hangin kaya baka another clue yan sa kanila di ba?

Dapat kaya ibalik ko sa Alabang for oil filter change muna, okay na ba dapat yon miski wag ko na ifuel flush? Dapat ba kung contaminated E-10 talaga maayos sha ng fuel filter change?

Thanks in advance for your inputs

[macsd]

bro, when the gas tank lights on, it deos not really mean totally empty ang tank, normally, there's around 10 liters left as reserve. now, you have mixed E-10 , then unleaded then blaze. totally, magkakaiba ng RON rating thus will need some adjustment sa timing.

I suggest you drain out the tank, gas line, fuel pump & filter para surely maalis agad what ever mixture of gas is in there. Then ask them what will be the ideal fuel to use for your car base on it's originl timing adjustment. I think honda only recommend RON 93 and higher.

[av427]

Sa tingin nyo guys dapat ba talaga ipa-drain ko ang gasoline tank? Parang extreme na kasi ito and to think di naman diesel ang kinarga ko, E-10 lang naman which is parehong unleaded din naman like unleaded and blaze.

[userfriendly]

replace your fuel filter

[macsd]

Sa tingin nyo guys dapat ba talaga ipa-drain ko ang gasoline tank? Parang extreme na kasi ito and to think di naman diesel ang kinarga ko, E-10 lang naman which is parehong unleaded din naman like unleaded and blaze.

let's go back to when did you first experience the problem. surely it's not because of the broken support. did you experience it only when you used
E-10 or you have been using it for sometime already, then the problem crop up? contaminated fuel can happen on any fuel type. i had just experience such, hard starting naman. replaced fuel filter, pump, spark plug then bumabalik pa rin. until we opened up the new fuel pump only to find some particles in it. dahil nga bago na fuel pump, we drained the tank and what we found were more particles. now it's back to a smooth start.

[4JGtootsie]

let's go back to when did you first experience the problem. surely it's not because of the broken support. did you experience it only when you used
E-10 or you have been using it for sometime already, then the problem crop up? contaminated fuel can happen on any fuel type. i had just experience such, hard starting naman. replaced fuel filter, pump, spark plug then bumabalik pa rin. until we opened up the new fuel pump only to find some particles in it. dahil nga bago na fuel pump, we drained the tank and what we found were more particles. now it's back to a smooth start.

Well said, proper way of diagnosing and solving problems.

[av427]

To recap...

I have been using Shell E-10 for a while now, then a few days before my support broke, I remember I loaded Total E-10 for about 3-4x already.

The problem on shaking cropped up immediately after I changed the engine support. Nung nilabas ko sa casa, ayun unti unti nanginginig na sha ng mild tapos next day grabe na ang nginig.

Kung ito ay dahil sa gaso, malamang dahil nireprogram nila ang car ko after the support was replaced so parang narecognize nya ang bad fuel nung nareprogram?

What do you guys think about my exhaust, kasi hindi pino ang labas ng hangin- parang pumupugak pugak yung air na lumalabas galing sa loob tapos parang may pumuputok putok na mahina from inside. Imagine nyo yung tunog ng tambutso ng motorcycle pero gawin nyo lang mahina. Ganun sha- sideeffect din ba yun ng maduming gasolina?

Iniisip ko talaga kung papa-drain ko na yung gasolina from the tank sabay palit na rin ng filter kasi sayang naman ang filter kung may dumi pala sa tank.

[av427]

Guys,

As per all your advices here-- I had the fuel filter replaced today. I told the SA na pag di masolve sa fuel filter, hindi gasolina ang problem ng auto.

Magically, pagkachange ng fuel filter-- NAWALA PO LAHAT NG SYMPTOMS Para na po shang brand new ulit, nakakahinga na ako ng maluwag.

So observe ko for a week sana di na bumalik miski anong problem kasi ayoko magbaba ng fuel tank, kinakabahan ako sa mga ganong complicated procedures at baka di nila maibalik ng tama.

Guys, mukhang nabiktima talaga ako ng contaminated E-10 kaya ingat po tayo sa pagpapa-gas. Yung pinagpapa-gasan ko is 2 lang talaga lagi lagi pero nadale pa din ako. Mabuti kabisado ko yung sasakyan alam ko agad nung may nabago sa andar kung hindi baka malaki pa ang nadamage sa fuel system ko at engine.

Thank you po sa lahat ng tulong, ang gagaling nyo talaga. Salamat!!!

[Taurus]

It may probably not a contaminated E10 per se but a dirty fuel that could be from the gas station itself or sometimes from the delivery truck or something else that could be from the vehicle itself. But for now we at least know that the problem is the fuel filter.

[afrasay]

Baka may tinamaan sila nun pinalitan nila ng engine support. Casa ba kamo, nakikita mo ba yun car mo while they work on it? Been an E10 user for quite sometime now. So far di ako namimili ng station, oh kung saan mura pala dun ako pa gas up. Medyo luma na yun fuel injected car ko pero it still runs like new.

[av427]

Yup, under warranty pa kasi yung car ko kaya di ko puwede dalin sa iba.

Hmmm, medyo malayo kasi ang fuel filter location sa engine support ng car ko bro so impossible na natamaan nila, magkaiba yung location nila and yung access points. The fuel filter is accessed from inside the car while the supports can be accessed from the hood.

Okay na yung car eversince napalitan ng fuel filter, smooth and ganda na ulit ng takbo,

Problem ko na lang ngayon ay may 1 second nginig yung car during very cold starts like sa umaga ganyan. Hopefully sa sparkplugs lang ito dahil due na ito for PMS dahil exacto 2 years old na, although low mileage pero susundin ko na lang yung 2nd year PMS guideline miski 30K pa lang mileage (2 years kasi is equivalent to 40k dapat)

So eto yung papa-change ko dapat based sa manual:

ALL SPARKPLUGS
CVT FLUID
ENGINE OIL
OIL FILTER
AIR FILTER
FUEL FILTER --> eto napa-change ko na so okay na shang di kasama.

I will update you guys next week after my PMS

[marg]

Honda gave an advise that their cars can handle e10 fuel but does not recommend its use. Kaya wag ka na mag e10 for your Honda.

[av427]

Sa website kasi ng Honda Makati may mahabang announcement don na recommended pa nga nila ang E-10, lalo na sa mga newer cars nila na 2000 and up so confusing talaga.