hard starting pag nabilad sa araw

[mucho]

need help.I'm experiencing hard starting pag nabilad nang matagal sa parking around 3 hours 10am-1pm or 12-3pm.Thiis is a relatively new problem only experienced only this summer.Battery is 3 months old 3sm(car is isuzu alterra2005).Radio or Cd rarely used.Experienced thrice only within this past 2 weeks.Pag try ulit start ok naman after 2nd or 3rd try 10 secs apart.Morning starts no problem. Sobrang init lang kaya nang makina or battery problem?.Change oil and pms done regularly.Car is used regularly.anybody experienced this?thanks.

[jick.cejoco]

need help.I'm experiencing hard starting pag nabilad nang matagal sa parking around 3 hours 10am-1pm or 12-3pm.Thiis is a relatively new problem only experienced only this summer.Battery is 3 months old 3sm(car is isuzu alterra2005).Radio or Cd rarely used.Experienced thrice only within this past 2 weeks.Pag try ulit start ok naman after 2nd or 3rd try 10 secs apart.Morning starts no problem. Sobrang init lang kaya nang makina or battery problem?.Change oil and pms done regularly.Car is used regularly.anybody experienced this?thanks.

anything you might have noticed change or new like tailpipe smoke? noise, vibration & harshness (NVH), change in fuel consumption, losing fluids, unusual smell in the exhaust and MIL (malfunction indicator light) illumination or flashing? additional information is much appreciated

[mucho]

So far sir wala naman ibang indicators of malfunction.Everything seems normal.This is noted only after nabilad lang sa parking area where i work.Water, oil. engine indicators, and battery seems normal.No unusual smell or sound.Mukhang di kaya talaga ang init.

[Mile2]

Probably the new battery? what is the brand? is it MF type?

Check the terminals.

[mucho]

Probably the new battery? what is the brand? is it MF type?

Check the terminals.

Sir the Battery's brand is Megaforce maintenance free calcium battery still w/ green indicator.Air filter is regularly cleaned as well sir hindi rin mausok tailpipe.Pag 2nd or 3rd start ok naman po.thanks.This distance from where i live to where i work is only 8 km.Terminals and fitting are Ok.Pag nakapark sa lilim ay walang problema,pag natapat lang sa bare na mainit na spot lang po na experienced ito..Medyo alangan ako sa megaforce(sorry megaforce dealers), i should have bought motolite enduro.Nag start test ako this morning,one click naman sir.

[jick.cejoco]

Sir the Battery's brand is Megaforce maintenance free calcium battery still w/ green indicator.Air filter is regularly cleaned as well sir hindi rin mausok tailpipe.Pag 2nd or 3rd start ok naman po.thanks.This distance from where i live to where i work is only 8 km.Terminals and fitting are Ok.Pag nakapark sa lilim ay walang problema,pag natapat lang sa bare na mainit na spot lang po na experienced ito..Medyo alangan ako sa megaforce(sorry megaforce dealers), i should have bought motolite enduro.Nag start test ako this morning,one click naman sir.

your battery might be sulfated. what it is, is that the positive plates (lead peroxide) is turning into lead sulfate. the negative plates are lead sulfate. if the two set of plates are of the same charge potential, i.e., both sides lead sulfate potential, there is little electron charge. sometimes the battery can be reconditioned by slow charging for about a day or two. but to be on the safe side, specially if it already shows the symptoms and the battery has reached its expected life or is nearing its last breath, it is wise to replace it and save yourself from inconvenience or maybe embarrassment

[Mile2]

You just need to confirm if it is really the battery by borrowing one from another car for a couple of days observation. You just need to go to the process of elimination

If you added some electronic accessories...check for unshielded wires. Try to put sunshade on your windshield as extreme hot sun rays may also affects your electrical and electronic systems. Some newer cars like Innova had climate control sensors mounted on the dashboard top.

I've been seeing lately where I park (public parking with open and shaded parking slots) that some other cars parked under the scorching sun won't start and had to to be cable jump start.

I don't know if this experience of mine will apply to your case, I had the same problem before with Isuzu 4FB1 engine that won't crank when the engine is already hot, the culprit was the grounded starter. Starter mechanic/technician just replaced the carbon terminals and copper bushing and the problem disappeared.

[Galactus]

Pag hindi battery ang problema, then you can try replacing the main relay. (Pero this is a problem mainly for Honda cars). Hot soak yata yung tawag nila dito.

In my experience, pag mainit na yung makina, namamatay yung engine (even while cruising!), tapos hirap mag-start. I have to let it cool down for about 15mins. tapos ok na ulit. Pero pag uminit uli yung makina, ayan na naman.

Turns out it was my ignition coil. Nung napalitan ko na, everything functioned normally again.

[weisshorn]

+1 kay sir mile2.
Siguraduhin muna na hindi battery related ang problema.

[mucho]

Thank you very much mga sirs for the nice input.Update ku lang mga sirs.Ok naman pag start kanina after nabilad.Umulan kc hehe..Godbless po.

[tip_tipid]

To re-phrase your problem, after being under the sun for about 3 hours, the engine cranks, but there is no ignition. Right?
This condition is normally experienced on caburated fuel system. Ignition
timing setting is critical for some type of engine. Also for carburator type of fuel system, you may try to pump once the accelerator pedal before starting
the engine. Do not press on the accelerator as you are starting the engine.
wait for the engine to run, then press on the accelerator pedal. Hope this can be of help.

[Mile2]

To re-phrase your problem, after being under the sun for about 3 hours, the engine cranks, but there is no ignition. Right?
This condition is normally experienced on caburated fuel system. Ignition
timing setting is critical for some type of engine. Also for carburator type of fuel system, you may try to pump once the accelerator pedal before starting
the engine. Do not press on the accelerator as you are starting the engine.
wait for the engine to run, then press on the accelerator pedal. Hope this can be of help.

car is isuzu alterra2005 Diesel.

[mucho]

To re-phrase your problem, after being under the sun for about 3 hours, the engine cranks, but there is no ignition. Right?
This condition is normally experienced on caburated fuel system. Ignition
timing setting is critical for some type of engine. Also for carburator type of fuel system, you may try to pump once the accelerator pedal before starting
the engine. Do not press on the accelerator as you are starting the engine.
wait for the engine to run, then press on the accelerator pedal. Hope this can be of help.

Thank you sir tip_tipid and mile2 for the tips po.

[tip_tipid]

diesel pala... anyway, was the starting problem you mentioned is about starter won't run, engine not cranking, or there is no ignition?

[mucho]

Sir so far didn't again experienced hard starting.Mukhang battery problem sabi ng mechanic ko because it's not built for tropical climates.Thanks for all the help.

[PamelaAsistio]

Sir so far didn't again experienced hard starting.Mukhang battery problem sabi ng mechanic ko because it's not built for tropical climates.Thanks for all the help.

Mucho,

Seems like Im also experiencing the same problem as you do. I only encountered it when parked directly under the sun, but pag nakapark naman sa may roof, kahit 3 days na hinde magamit ang auto ay one click lang at start agad (w/o pressing the accelerator pa po yun).

Since some of the replies I got from my thread saying that its also a battery issue, Im now considering their battery suggestions :-)
Not Starting when parked in a direct sunlight???
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69685

May I know what brand of battery you just bought in replace of your previous?

Presently, I have a Motolite Enduro installed in my car. Should I switch to Motolite Gold or just buy a new Enduro instead? Although according to their specs, Enduro was also built for hot climates (Tropicalized)
http://www.motolite.com/battery.php?id=3


FYI, my battery is 3 yrs old na po.

Thank you

[speed unlimited]

Get a Motolite Enduro.

[PamelaAsistio]

Get a Motolite Enduro.

Noted speed, thank you :-)

[speed unlimited]

Welcome , Sulit naman halos mag 3 years na ayos pa at tapos na warranty.

[garfield_08]

To re-phrase your problem, after being under the sun for about 3 hours, the engine cranks, but there is no ignition. Right?
This condition is normally experienced on caburated fuel system. Ignition
timing setting is critical for some type of engine. Also for carburator type of fuel system, you may try to pump once the accelerator pedal before starting
the engine. Do not press on the accelerator as you are starting the engine.
wait for the engine to run, then press on the accelerator pedal. Hope this can be of help.

sir, it seems i'm experiencing what you stated.

carb system yung sa car ko. i experienced it twice nung naka-park ako sa open parking ng malls. the engine started first, then died after a minute. when i tried to restart it, nag-cranked naman siya pero ayaw na magtuloy magstart. i had it checked by a mechanic, sabi the carb needs to be overhauled. then he adjusted the throttle spring para tumaaas yung menor ko. the engine started. i was glad ganun lang naging problem and was able to drive it home, kaso nasa 1,200 rpm idling ko.

i had the carb overhauled and my idling set to normal. the new mechanic pointed out na natutuyuan daw kasi ng gas sa loob ng carb dahil sa sobrang init. hindi daw to nae-experience ng EFI kasi sealed daw yung injectors sa makina, unlike carb type na pwede sumingaw yung fumes. nung mataas yung idling ko ndi ko na-experience mamatayan ulit ng engine, pero nung ibinalik sa normal idling namatay ulit engine ko after mabilad sa araw (though minsan lang ulit nangyari and i was able to get ignition after 3 tries, had it parked more than 2hrs under the noontime sun). my battery is relatively new (motolite, 1year old pa lang) at malakas yung kuryente nya.

question: tama po ba yung opinion nung 2nd mechanic? does he make sense?