EURO-4 fuel

[badkuk]

hi peeps!

i've tried googling this many times already, but couldn't find a straight answer...

Say you got an old school, EURO-2 engine, and you load it up with EURO-4 fuel; will the emissions at the tailpipe be EURO-4 as well?

Would adding a catalytic converter make it EURO-4?

tia

[miko101130]

Euro 4 emission is different from Euro 4 fuels
Euro 4 EMISSION basically define the acceptable limits for exhaust emissions of "NEW VEHICLES"
parameters measured.
*nitrogen oxides (NOx),
*total hydrocarbon (THC),
*non-methane hydrocarbons (NMHC),
*carbon monoxide (CO) and
*particulate matter (PM)
(ways to reduce this substances is through Exhaust gas recirculation/ 3 way catalytic converter/diesel particulate filter/ ECU programming and timing/ injector advancement and most especially fuel formulation)

“Euro IV FUELS” standard has applied since 2005, which specifies a maximum of 50 ppm of sulfur in diesel fuel for most highway vehicles (also known as ULSD (ultra low sulphur diesel)

even though you use Euro IV fuels, but your vehicle was not designed or built to meet emission standards you will still be below euro IV emission..
if your vehicle is Euro IV compliant and you opted to use below Euro IV fuels then your risking/decreasing service life of your engine internals/injectors and your catalytic converter...

Advanced and modern catalytic converters and diesel particulate filters require fuels and oils which are ultra low sulphur content, low zinc, low ash, that is to prolong their life...

if im not mistaken the Philippines is euro II.... just look around at all the buses and jeep... makes you wonder how they pass their emission test

[erick_214]

If you have a diesel engine, you might want to fill up sa Unioil stations coz they claim that they have a 50ppm diesel same with seaoil and PTT. Don't know about their petrols...

[miko101130]

Oil companies doesn't divulge their formula as to the content of their petrol fuel but mostly its composed of this primary substances
1. Aromatics-organic compounds based on the benzene ring, a 6-carbon ring with 3 delocalised double bonds, e.g., benzene, toluene, xylene, etc.
2. Olefines-organic compounds which have double bonds. After combustion, one critical by-product is 1,3-butadiene.
3. Oxygenates-organic compounds containing oxygen molecules such as methane, ethane or MTBE (methyl-tertiary-butyl ether).

gasoline are mainly regulated by the lead(now replaced by benzene) and ethanol(organic compounds) they contain together with octane rating
while diesel are regulated by the number of sulphur and zinc they contain together with cetane rating

Sulphur, lead, benzene, toluene are all generally not healthy to humans...

[matty]

sorry if i have to bring this topic back. is ptt diesel euro 4 also same with unioil? can anyone confirm this?

[Jiggs]

Oil companies doesn't divulge their formula as to the content of their petrol fuel but mostly its composed of this primary substances
1. Aromatics-organic compounds based on the benzene ring, a 6-carbon ring with 3 delocalised double bonds, e.g., benzene, toluene, xylene, etc.
2. Olefines-organic compounds which have double bonds. After combustion, one critical by-product is 1,3-butadiene.
3. Oxygenates-organic compounds containing oxygen molecules such as methane, ethane or MTBE (methyl-tertiary-butyl ether).

gasoline are mainly regulated by the lead(now replaced by benzene) and ethanol(organic compounds) they contain together with octane rating
while diesel are regulated by the number of sulphur and zinc they contain together with cetane rating

Sulphur, lead, benzene, toluene are all generally not healthy to humans...

Bro, actually they don't keep it secret naman. If you will buy in bulk say 1 tanker/lorry or more than 10K L you could request for a COC certificate of compliance or kinda laboratory analysis certificate, there it details all the test that was done..i.e cloud point, cetane, ash content, lubricity etc. I have a scanned copy of a recent sample from Shell station for its new Diesoline..says there cetane =52
. I just dont know how to post it.

[Errol5]

sorry if i have to bring this topic back. is ptt diesel euro 4 also same with unioil? can anyone confirm this?

PTT is Euro2. Check their site.

Available diesels that are Euro3 and up are from Seaoil, Unioil, Flying V (not sure about Eastern Petroleum)

[Retz]

mas maganda ba ang Euro-4 fuel sa mga Crdi engines? aside sa lower sulfur content.

[miked]

my take: the engine will get noisier and wear will accelerate mostly sa fuel injection if you put in euro4 fuel to a conventional diesel. sulfur = lubricity. low sulfur = low lubricity. pero pwede rin siguro, dagdagan mo nga lang 2T.hehe

[matty]

PTT is Euro2. Check their site.

Available diesels that are Euro3 and up are from Seaoil, Unioil, Flying V (not sure about Eastern Petroleum)

kasi nakalagay .05 sulfur content sila and ganun din ang unioil. i didn't know that flying V is euro3 up pala. thanks for the info sir.

[Errol5]

^ .05 sulfur content is equivalent to only 500ppm. Euro2 = 500ppm. Euro3 = 300ppm. Euro4 = 50ppm(?)

[Retz]

If you put in Euro-4 fuel, dapat CJ-4 din ang oil na gamitin?

[Errol5]

^not necessarily.

Euro4 has less sulfur content vs Euro2 which will only mean lesser lubrication for the engine. imho

[Retz]

^not necessarily.

Euro4 has less sulfur content vs Euro2 which will only mean lesser lubrication for the engine. imho

Sir, I have read other threads and some of them are using Euro 4 or Euro 3 fuel from SeaOil and UniOil which are imported. If less lubrication, does it mean bad for the engine?

[crazy_boy]

Sir, I have read other threads and some of them are using Euro 4 or Euro 3 fuel from SeaOil and UniOil which are imported. If less lubrication, does it mean bad for the engine?

Bad for the injection pump. But you can use 2t oil as lubrication substitute.

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[Walter]

^ .05 sulfur content is equivalent to only 500ppm. Euro2 = 500ppm. Euro3 = 300ppm. Euro4 = 50ppm(?)

Yes, Euro IV is 50 ppm, Euro V is 5 ppm.

[Quint]

Bad for the injection pump. But you can use 2t oil as lubrication substitute.

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If you have a Euro 4 or Euro 5 engine like the CRDIs in the market, why would you need 2T? Who said that you need the lubricant if the engine was specifically designed for this kind of fuel? Can anyone show some tech data to substantiate the need for 2T lubricants?

[crazy_boy]

If you have a Euro 4 or Euro 5 engine like the CRDIs in the market, why would you need 2T? Who said that you need the lubricant if the engine was specifically designed for this kind of fuel? Can anyone show some tech data to substantiate the need for 2T lubricants?

you can read everything here:

http://tsikot.com/forums/engine-fuel...il-fuel-79879/

all questions you posted has been answered already..

[EuroFD]

The local refineries are not yet capable of producing Euro-3 and up diesels. I wonder who among them will produce first and communicate it to consumers?

[yapoy86]

If you have a Euro 4 or Euro 5 engine like the CRDIs in the market, why would you need 2T? Who said that you need the lubricant if the engine was specifically designed for this kind of fuel? Can anyone show some tech data to substantiate the need for 2T lubricants?

sa CRDI engines mas maganda yung Ultra low sulfur... kasi CRDI engine are designed to run on low sulfur na... bad yang ultra low sulfur sa mga conventional diesel engine that needs the added lubricant...