Do we really have to change oil every 6 months for low mileage cars?

[dr. d]

It may be ok with them until you make a claim for warranty for engine problem, have you?

nope.
even today, at almost 100K on the odometer, i still have to look for something to complain about, of my engine.
what about you, sir? how many engine complaints have you heard of, occuring within the 3 year warranty period?

if one is comfortable and familiar with car workings, one can more easily "gamble" with it (i.e., pms). if one knows nothing about his car, he would probably be scared stiff going even just a little beyond what the manual says..

[dr. d]

And where would that be?

baka naman "special arrangement" / VIP ka dyan.

ordinary juan lang tayo bro.

no choice, ending is follow the 6 month rule

toyota otis. and i'm as ordinary as they come..

[dr. d]

malimali.. sori.

[kimot]

nung 1st yr ng ownership ng sasakyan namen, every 3 months ang PMS namen nun, kaso yung mga mechanic na nagsabi dun na gawin na lang every 6 months, sobrang bihira lang naman daw kasi yung sasakyan, around 250-300 kms lang tinatakbo ng oto namen per month at bihira pa magamit. ngayong tapos na warranty every 6 months pa rin regardless kung ilan tinakbo. btw FS ang gamit na oil.

[dr. d]

nung 1st yr ng ownership ng sasakyan namen, every 3 months ang PMS namen nun, kaso yung mga mechanic na nagsabi dun na gawin na lang every 6 months, sobrang bihira lang naman daw kasi yung sasakyan, around 250-300 kms lang tinatakbo ng oto namen per month at bihira pa magamit. ngayong tapos na warranty every 6 months pa rin regardless kung ilan tinakbo. btw FS ang gamit na oil.

wow! i might be interested in that car, when you decide to sell it..
errr.. what's the make and model?
heh heh.

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nung 1st yr ng ownership ng sasakyan namen, every 3 months ang PMS namen nun, kaso yung mga mechanic na nagsabi dun na gawin na lang every 6 months, sobrang bihira lang naman daw kasi yung sasakyan, around 250-300 kms lang tinatakbo ng oto namen per month at bihira pa magamit. ngayong tapos na warranty every 6 months pa rin regardless kung ilan tinakbo. btw FS ang gamit na oil.

wow! i might be interested in that car, when you decide to sell it..
errr.. what's the make and model?
heh heh.

[maki mi]

Bro dr. d, ganyan din kasi ang isang honda dealership sa akin, lampas na 6 months, tinatawagan ako para magpa pms, sabi ok lang daw. The thing is, unsatisfactory ang trabaho nila sa unit ko, as in, may naiiwan na tools/shop materials sa engine compartment at loob ng car. And worst naiwan nila yung LH cowl sa ibabaw ng bandang radiator buti na lang naipit ng bonnet at di nalaglag, nakita ko na lang ng maglinis ako ng engine bay sa bahay. May instance pa na nag-inquire ako ng palinis ng headlight sabi sakin punta na lang ako diretso dun, pagdating ko dun sabi sakin kailangan ko magpa sked

So pano na kung may warranty claim ako at wala sa ayos ang PMS sked ko, should I expect them to defend my case with HCP?

So baka may magtanong, bakit di ako pumunta sa ibang Honda branches? Yung isang malapit sa akin (famous ito dito at may sarili pang thread), 1st 1k kms PMS, pinalitan oil ko kahit na sabi sa manual no need to change oil. Worst, they charged me for both mineral and FS oil, 4 liters pa!

So maniniwala ba ako na pwede lumampas sa PMS sked at i-honor pa nila warranty kung may claim?

Buti na lang reliable ang Honda at never ako nagka problem about factory defects. Testament to this is my unit na hindi dumaan ng casa PMS after that 1st 1K change oil experience ko. Still reliable after 12 years.

Meron dito bagong thread.. Beware of H.... C...., billing problem naman hehe...

nope.
even today, at almost 100K on the odometer, i still have to look for something to complain about, of my engine.
what about you, sir? how many engine complaints have you heard of, occuring within the 3 year warranty period?

if one is comfortable and familiar with car workings, one can more easily "gamble" with it (i.e., pms). if one knows nothing about his car, he would probably be scared stiff going even just a little beyond what the manual says..

[d'flash]

ako every 6mos ang palit ng langis eh, d ko naman naabot ang 5000 kms.

[red_one]

Do we really have to change oil every 6 months for low mileage cars?

The subject asks about oil change interval and not PMS. Oil change is just part of PMS. During PMS, pwede mo isabay ang oil change or hindi.

So to answer the question, do we really have to change oil every 6 months for low mileage car? The answer is NO.

Pwede mo extend yan depende sa current condition ng oil mo. Pero ang recommended is to change oil every 12 months. Kung gusto mong extend ng more than 12 months, it is up to you.

About PMS and warranty issues, you need follow the regulation of your casa. So if sabi ng casa you need to change oil every 6 months or every PMS (whatever duration it is), then you are forced to follow it. If you do not agree, then you talk to your casa and defend your case.

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Do we really have to change oil every 6 months for low mileage cars?

The subject asks about oil change interval and not PMS. Oil change is just part of PMS. During PMS, pwede mo isabay ang oil change or hindi.

So to answer the question, do we really have to change oil every 6 months for low mileage car? The answer is NO.

Pwede mo extend yan depende sa current condition ng oil mo. Pero ang recommended is to change oil every 12 months. Kung gusto mong extend ng more than 12 months, it is up to you.

About PMS and warranty issues, you need follow the regulation of your casa. So if sabi ng casa you need to change oil every 6 months or every PMS (whatever duration it is), then you are forced to follow it. If you do not agree, then you talk to your casa and defend your case.

[1D4LV]

sa akin naman, hindi na pinagtatalunan yan. mas mura ang cost of oil kesa sa cost of having your engine repaired....
if you can buy a brand new car, brand new phones or even expensive gadgets, why scrimp sa oil change?
napaso na ako..... nasiraan na ako ng makina....

i do change oil every 5k kms..... daily driven car, using semi-synth oil.

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sa akin naman, hindi na pinagtatalunan yan. mas mura ang cost of oil kesa sa cost of having your engine repaired....
if you can buy a brand new car, brand new phones or even expensive gadgets, why scrimp sa oil change?
napaso na ako..... nasiraan na ako ng makina....

i do change oil every 5k kms..... daily driven car, using semi-synth oil.

[red_one]

sa akin naman, hindi na pinagtatalunan yan. mas mura ang cost of oil kesa sa cost of having your engine repaired....
if you can buy a brand new car, brand new phones or even expensive gadgets, why scrimp sa oil change?
napaso na ako..... nasiraan na ako ng makina....

i do change oil every 5k kms..... daily driven car, using semi-synth oil.

Correct, kung may pambili ng brand new car, bakit walang pang-change oil? Dapat kasama na yan sa computation nila before purchase.

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sa akin naman, hindi na pinagtatalunan yan. mas mura ang cost of oil kesa sa cost of having your engine repaired....
if you can buy a brand new car, brand new phones or even expensive gadgets, why scrimp sa oil change?
napaso na ako..... nasiraan na ako ng makina....

i do change oil every 5k kms..... daily driven car, using semi-synth oil.

Correct, kung may pambili ng brand new car, bakit walang pang-change oil? Dapat kasama na yan sa computation nila before purchase.

[yebo]

di kasi nila na-factor in yung other costs of ownership like maintenance, 2nd and 3rd year insurance, parking cost, and even the price of gasoline nung nag-decide sila bumili ng car.

[ess]

I consider driving within Metro Manila as extreme driving.
75% of my daily drive to and from office is spent idling and creeping at < 10kph.
Kahit na low mileage, pinapa oil change ko na rin.

[fireice2]

My intention of asking this question is not because I cannot afford an oil change or maintenance costs. I'm after for value for my hard earned money. Di naman kasi pinupulot ang pera, unless magnanakaw yung tao.

If we are to change mineral oil every 6 months for low mileage cars, probably its a good thing. However, if we are to spend on expensive fully synthetic oils that are designed for extended drain intervals (E.g. 20,000km or more) what's the point of using them in if we are required to change oil every 6 months regardless of mileage?

Are we guided by myth or conventional knowledge, or do we have the science and facts for real answers?

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My intention of asking this question is not because I cannot afford an oil change or maintenance costs. I'm after for value for my hard earned money. Di naman kasi pinupulot ang pera, unless magnanakaw yung tao.

If we are to change mineral oil every 6 months for low mileage cars, probably its a good thing. However, if we are to spend on expensive fully synthetic oils that are designed for extended drain intervals (E.g. 20,000km or more) what's the point of using them in if we are required to change oil every 6 months regardless of mileage?

Are we guided by myth or conventional knowledge, or do we have the science and facts for real answers?

[keithdb]

Find the thread remote bypass oil filtration. Everything is explained there.

[1D4LV]

My intention of asking this question is not because I cannot afford an oil change or maintenance costs. I'm after for value for my hard earned money. Di naman kasi pinupulot ang pera, unless magnanakaw yung tao.

If we are to change mineral oil every 6 months for low mileage cars, probably its a good thing. However, if we are to spend on expensive fully synthetic oils that are designed for extended drain intervals (E.g. 20,000km or more) what's the point of using them in if we are required to change oil every 6 months regardless of mileage?

Are we guided by myth or conventional knowledge, or do we have the science and facts for real answers?

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My opinion on this is that the conditions in an engine is the same whether you use synthetic or conventional oils. The entire combustion process produces soot, metal wear due to friction all end up in oil. These needs to be flushed out regularly before it affects the engine components.

Now if your vehicle is seldomly used, it is a fact that oil degrades, minimizing its lubricating functions, maski na synthetic pa yan... well probably, the additives used in synthetic oils degrade + the actual oil itself degrades. now if you are really in doubt, i suggest you go for an oil analysis. FS oil, before pouring out, will not hold the same characteristics inside the engine.

second, is that oil gets contaminated after it is poured out from the package. the contaminants will not protect your engine if you are using a FS oil.

siguro para di ka na din manghinayang, use a semi-synth or regular mineral oil next time, which I do, dahil nothing beats peace of mind after going through engine breakdown dahil sa lengthy oil change interval.... FS oils for daily driven and non-modified cars for me would be too much dahil kumikita din dyan ang casa eh, so yan ang recommended nila.

now for the question on the point of using extended drain oils, i personally believe its marketing hype. kung FS gamit mo, the safest would be draining it at 10k kms, not at 20k kms.

imho.

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My intention of asking this question is not because I cannot afford an oil change or maintenance costs. I'm after for value for my hard earned money. Di naman kasi pinupulot ang pera, unless magnanakaw yung tao.

If we are to change mineral oil every 6 months for low mileage cars, probably its a good thing. However, if we are to spend on expensive fully synthetic oils that are designed for extended drain intervals (E.g. 20,000km or more) what's the point of using them in if we are required to change oil every 6 months regardless of mileage?

Are we guided by myth or conventional knowledge, or do we have the science and facts for real answers?

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My opinion on this is that the conditions in an engine is the same whether you use synthetic or conventional oils. The entire combustion process produces soot, metal wear due to friction all end up in oil. These needs to be flushed out regularly before it affects the engine components.

Now if your vehicle is seldomly used, it is a fact that oil degrades, minimizing its lubricating functions, maski na synthetic pa yan... well probably, the additives used in synthetic oils degrade + the actual oil itself degrades. now if you are really in doubt, i suggest you go for an oil analysis. FS oil, before pouring out, will not hold the same characteristics inside the engine.

second, is that oil gets contaminated after it is poured out from the package. the contaminants will not protect your engine if you are using a FS oil.

siguro para di ka na din manghinayang, use a semi-synth or regular mineral oil next time, which I do, dahil nothing beats peace of mind after going through engine breakdown dahil sa lengthy oil change interval.... FS oils for daily driven and non-modified cars for me would be too much dahil kumikita din dyan ang casa eh, so yan ang recommended nila.

now for the question on the point of using extended drain oils, i personally believe its marketing hype. kung FS gamit mo, the safest would be draining it at 10k kms, not at 20k kms.

imho.

[jaypee10]

sa akin every day ko gamit las pinyas city to malate.araw araw gamit,tapos week ends uwi sa nueva ecija.

hindi inaabot ng 6months..5k palit nako ng oil..

minsan 4 months palang nakak 5k na ako..

[1D4LV]

bottomline is follow the recommended change interval by the manufacturer or the users manual and use the minimum oil specifications recommended para walang problema.

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bottomline is follow the recommended change interval by the manufacturer or the users manual and use the minimum oil specifications recommended para walang problema. sometimes kasi, information on the internet messes things up.

[d'flash]

sa akin every day ko gamit las pinyas city to malate.araw araw gamit,tapos week ends uwi sa nueva ecija.

hindi inaabot ng 6months..5k palit nako ng oil..

minsan 4 months palang nakak 5k na ako..

jaypee, anong oto ito?

[dr. d]

sa akin naman, hindi na pinagtatalunan yan. mas mura ang cost of oil kesa sa cost of having your engine repaired....
if you can buy a brand new car, brand new phones or even expensive gadgets, why scrimp sa oil change?
napaso na ako..... nasiraan na ako ng makina....

i do change oil every 5k kms..... daily driven car, using semi-synth oil.

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sa akin naman, hindi na pinagtatalunan yan. mas mura ang cost of oil kesa sa cost of having your engine repaired....
if you can buy a brand new car, brand new phones or even expensive gadgets, why scrimp sa oil change?
napaso na ako..... nasiraan na ako ng makina....

i do change oil every 5k kms..... daily driven car, using semi-synth oil.

ano po ang mileage ng car nung nasiraan kayo ng makina?
anong specific na sira po?

[Wh1stl3r]

If you want a definitive answer re: safe extended oil change intervals you'll have to pony up and pay for used oil analysis. Things to ask for in a UOA are TBN, TAN, fuel dilution, the amount of silicates and other contaminants as well as wear metals. Thing is, it's expensive and you have to get at least three UOA's in a row (with exactly the same oil) to establish a trend. Even after that there's no assurance that your engine will get the same results as it ages.

That's the reason why most people opt to err on the safe (and economical side) and change oil (mostly mineral or semi synth) at 5TKm. The type of engine also matters. If it's a modern turbocharged engine I wouldn't run mineral oil at all, no matter what the API rating.

I'm for the idea that oil change intervals should be based on the amount of fuel consumed, since the contaminants are combustion byproducts. Elapsed time between changes, mileage or running hours are factors as well, but IMO the amount of fuel consumed gives a more direct correlation to the amount of oil contamination.