D4D choking is back , yes as I experienced it!!!!

[niky]

Because that year of Landcruiser does not have high pressure direct injection yet.

[cocoy]

Saw your post in another thread and I am appalled with what you said.

As to your question here, go and start one since you know it all.

sori for apalling you fireblade.. go and read my reply post in that forum.. it might shed some light on what i was trying to say.. i wasnt trying to dish you for having a choking problem.. i mean really.. all i said was, someone just bought an 08 innova and it choked. was that so appalling? maybe you wouldnt have been appalled if i said fireblade bought an 08 toyota and experience choking,, therefore the D4D choking problem is back..oh i wasnt trying to hide also.. this website is so slow i cant open multiply windows so i should have check that it was you fireblade who had an 08 innova that choked..sori to have clashed with you fireblade..you really are on fire ha.. sensa na... i apologize. oh and if i do start that fuel filter bussines to filter out dirty diesel il give you one for free so you wont ever suffer a choking experience in your toyota innova.....

[fireblade]

Hi fireblade, have you switch gasoline station already? are you still using petron or you switch to other gasoline brand like shell or caltex? when you switch to other diesel brand or pumping station, nag-iba ba ang takbo ng unit mo???

I am still using Petron but switched to their station in Makati Ave.

[vinrem]

Thanks for the quick reply sir fireblade, i ask the question kasi i am using shell diesel sa car ko and i have read sa ibang forum saying that madumi daw ang shell na diesel (dont know if its true), kaya im thinking of switching to petron diesel kasi if petron diesel works on your innova then surely mas malinis sya compare to shell...tama bah???

[dieselNUBI]

bigla lang ako napa isip.

lets say ur on nlex doing 100kph then it stalled, isnt it dangerous when ur still rolling and the gear is in shift?

[yapoy86]

of course it is dangerous especially if you are taking steep roads but there are things you need to observe..
> DO NOT PANIC AND STAY CALM THINK OF THE PROPER THINGS YOU SHOULD DO.
IF MANUAL TRANSMISSION:
> do not disengage the transmission to neutral as you will loose engine brake.. eventhough the engine stalls during high speed it will just be in engine brake and maintain your engine rotating thus you will not immediately loose brake vacuum assist and power steering.
> Be aware that when engine stalls, power brakes and steering will be lost so if this happens press the brakes as hard as you can until full stop and steer hard to shoulder.
> Do not pump your brake is this will immediately consume the vacuum reserve in the lines. (some vehicles are equipped with vacuum reserve tank)
> immediately turn on hazard lights and pull over to shoulder

IF Automatic Transmission:
> Do not engage the transmission to PARK as this may damage your transmission. If you can move the transmission to "N" and turn you hazard lights
> Immediately pull over to shoulder
> Expect the steering will be hard as the engine stalls, it will immediately loose power steering assist
> Do not pump your brakes as you will loose the vacuum assist immediately. Try to stop the vehicle with the first application of brakes. Expect the brakes may turn hard to press, if this happens press the brakes as hard as you can until the vehicle comes to a full stop

[maui_1856]

That's why I'm chosing Gas variant because of this problem, eventhough it's minimal case among thousands only few experience this problem but what if you belong to a few one? hehe!

One of my friend here in Brunei a chinese mech in toyota told me not to get D4D because it's faulty and better get VVTi but here all innova are all D4D's only avanza are vvti... That's why I thinks twice...

Kaya pag uwi ko VVti kinuha ko...

Thanks pa rin sa forum na ito coz I learn how to choose cars...

BR

[fireblade]

Yes, it happened again last Saturday or after 600kms from the time that they changed my supply pump. This time it stalled 2x in a matter of 1 hour and I am becoming an expert in handling it

According to Toyota Makati, they just got off from a meeting with Denso and there is a newer way of initializing the engine after the supply pump has been replaced (twas only implemented last week). Unfortunately, it was not done by Toyota Bicutan as there was no advise. This I confirmed by talking to other service managers from other dealerships. They immediately replaced my supply pump for the second time within the day and I am impressed with their customer service. I made sure that it was replaced by putting a marker on the old one just like how I did it before. I did this to ensure that they replace it as I had a bad experience with Ford Global before but that is another story with my Escape.

Eto ngayon ang maganda

Naiwan nila yung computer sa loob ng kotse ko and that will cost them 260k if I dont return it. Eto yung kinakabit sa computer ng kotse mo for diagnosis and calibration. Hmmmmm, sige I immediately returned it the next day when I realized that it was at my back seat. They gave my car a full detail as a reward and sige na nga, thank you na rin.

Now I am observing my Innova and hoping that it does not happen again

[4JGtootsie]

I think this is worth sharing, no offense to strada owners just warning you.
One time, a strada 08 with 4000klm at the odometer came to the shop for help. Mitsubishi told him that his fuel had water and pump and injectors had to be replaced out of warranty (that will be very expensive). We concentrated on the pump and pulled it out cleaned thoroughly and tested on the bench. The injectors where never touched. So far the guy hasnt returned. Water can really affect your fuel system.

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[kenzie]

i'm planning on getting a fortunner 3.0 D4D ... naayos na ba nila yung prob sa choking and hard starting and engine stalling? thanks po

[Dieseldude]

Toyota and Denso have made some improvements on their fuel system. However the problem may still occur, less frequently though. From our experience, "choking" is not a very serious problem, and it is quite easy to fix.

And one thing for sure, Toyota is a reputable company. They will support their customers, as well as their vehicles.

[kenzie]

Toyota and Denso have made some improvements on their fuel system. However the problem may still occur, less frequently though. From our experience, "choking" is not a very serious problem, and it is quite easy to fix.

And one thing for sure, Toyota is a reputable company. They will support their customers, as well as their vehicles.

dieseldude thanks for your time ... just by your response gave me full confidence to go ahead and purchse the 3.0 D4D fortunner .... how was your training? thanks again sir gud day

[Dieseldude]

dieseldude thanks for your time ... just by your response gave me full confidence to go ahead and purchse the 3.0 D4D fortunner .... how was your training? thanks again sir gud day

You're welcome.

I trained on Delphi common rail diesel systems and electronic injectors for large diesels. Training was great, but too cold. Brrrrr.

Bye.

[kenzie]

You're welcome.

I trained on Delphi common rail diesel systems and electronic injectors for large diesels. Training was great, but too cold. Brrrrr.

Bye.

hehehe welcome home sir :-)

[attyallanlatras]

i'm planning on getting a fortunner 3.0 D4D ... naayos na ba nila yung prob sa choking and hard starting and engine stalling? thanks po

i had the same question posted before i decided to buy a vvti innova last December 2008. i was toying with the idea that toyota must have solve this chocking problem, but one of the replies hit me, when it said that toyota "may" have solve the problem, but aside from buying an innova d4d, i should also try my luck with lotto.

Since buying my first brand new car is quite an investment, I see to it that sulit sya and I should shy away from cars with known problems(such as what owners of d4d are saying) thereby minimize future problems...

[kenzie]

i had the same question posted before i decided to buy a vvti innova last December 2008. i was toying with the idea that toyota must have solve this chocking problem, but one of the replies hit me, when it said that toyota "may" have solve the problem, but aside from buying an innova d4d, i should also try my luck with lotto.

Since buying my first brand new car is quite an investment, I see to it that sulit sya and I should shy away from cars with known problems(such as what owners of d4d are saying) thereby minimize future problems...

i'm still giving it a whole lot of thinking but today the wifey and i will go check out the dealer just to see the fortunner for ourselves and then maybe decide what to really do later...

[duskylim]

Dear Sirs:

The specifications for commercial diesel fuel are in the public domain. As far as I know, the key tests to perform with respect to the injection pump and its' durability are fuel lubricity tests (Dieseldude and 4JGtootsie - please correct me if I am wrong).

The standard lubricity tests involve either a sliding ball or a reciprocating rig test. The DOE (Department of Energy) lab in Fort Bonifacio has both types of testing equipment. They charge a standard fee (about Php 5000 each) to do the tests and the results are a matter of public record.

Again, as far as I know, the oil companies like Shell and Petron are required to have these tests performed on their fuels regularly. The records should be available at the DOE. The oil companies themselves should be able to produce the results of these tests, (as well as those of an independant third party lab) on demand.

If these tests reveal that the fuel supplied by them (the oil companies) meets the standard, then it is likely that there may be contamination or adulteration at the point of sale (the gas station). The next step would be to perform similar tests on the station's fuel to confirm.

If however the station's fuel was found to conform to specification, then the only possible conclusion would be that there is something terribly wrong with Toyota's design.

Should Toyota subsequently claim that the local diesel fuel does not meet their engine's requirements then the answer to that assertion is simple - that knowing this they should NOT have SOLD their engine locally.

Having done so with the full knowledge of the fuel problem is a matter of bad faith.

As to the issue of filtration, I am of more than one mind.

If the problem is fuel lubricity, then NO amount of filtration will provide for or increase that property, the fuel itself must be blended and formulated with the proper amount of lubricity.

The funny thing is that creating excess lubricity - and this should really be a sore point - is NOT expensive as increasing the fuel's lubricity is usually done by adding the proper lubricant in parts per thousand (fractions of a centavo per liter of diesel).

On the other hand, if the problem turns out to be contamination, then there are real benefit's to be gained by proper filtration.

The main difficulty would be that a finer filter would clog or choke sooner and would have to be replaced more regularly.

Furthermore, placing another filter in series with the existing set would lower the supply pressure to the injection pump and choke the fuel supply.

You would be surprised how much horsepower you would lose after you put in the extra filter.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

[fireblade]

It has been months since I posted this. So far, it has not happened again. I put my trust back to Toyota assuming that it has already been solved. They have replaced the necessary part and everything seems ok for the past 7 months.

[number001]

It has been months since I posted this. So far, it has not happened again. I put my trust back to Toyota assuming that it has already been solved. They have replaced the necessary part and everything seems ok for the past 7 months.

What parts did they replace?

Do you still use the same gas station? Or did you change stations after Toyota replaced/repaired the parts?

[fireblade]

What parts did they replace?

Do you still use the same gas station? Or did you change stations after Toyota replaced/repaired the parts?

They changed the Denso fuel pump if my memory serves me right. Im still using Petron Diesel Maxx from the same station.