Charging problem

[pyramid00]

Good to know you have sorted it!

The alternator usually use 6 diodes (for 3 phase). It's difficult to check diodes in-circuit. Mahirap gawin pero madali mo sanang natrobleshoot ang problem kung na-isolate mo ang mga ito.

Tips for alternator troubleshooting:1. low/intermittent charging - carbon brushes. 2. if bad ic reg. - overcharging depende sa ckt config. Kung ako may-ari niyan at ang problema ay ic, i'll replace the ic with an outboard module with discrete parts, two xtors, one or two zeners, several res and caps, probably two 1A silicon diodes. Syempre, may heatsink ang 2N3055.
This outboard voltage reg module will outlast the car because it can be repaired without opening the alternator.

Imo, the last item that could cause the problem is the 3 phase coil due to the # 12awg or better, winding. Possible problem, but not probable.

[miked]

follow up question lang mga kaibigan....

since netong huli ko lang nalaman regarding AC volt leakage sa alternators....

many youtube videos at internet articles say that greater than 0.5 volts AC means a shorted diode.

kaso yung sa sasakyan ko reads 29.9-31.1 volts AC....

pero yung DC volts ay ok naman....13.8 - 14.3 VDC

diko lang nasukat before nung nasira ang diode kung ano ang AC leakage

[miked]

after some threads sa internet, marami nagsasabi na dahil daw sa chipipay na multimeters. yun nga siguro. i'll check with fluke or some high end meters sa mga kakilala.

chipipay lang kasi yung mga multimeters ko. lalu na yung dala dala ko parati sa sasakyan. tamang pang-test lang ng continuity at boltahe.

[box_type]

follow up question lang mga kaibigan....

since netong huli ko lang nalaman regarding AC volt leakage sa alternators....

many youtube videos at internet articles say that greater than 0.5 volts AC means a shorted diode.

kaso yung sa sasakyan ko reads 29.9-31.1 volts AC....

pero yung DC volts ay ok naman....13.8 - 14.3 VDC

diko lang nasukat before nung nasira ang diode kung ano ang AC leakage

paps, saang terminal mo sinukat yung ac voltage? parang wala naman akong nakikitang ac terminal lines coming out of the alternator? correct me if i'm wrong, di ba puro dc lang output ng alternator?

[miked]

paps, saang terminal mo sinukat yung ac voltage? parang wala naman akong nakikitang ac terminal lines coming out of the alternator? correct me if i'm wrong, di ba puro dc lang output ng alternator?

sa battery terminals lang. lipat mo lang yung selector ng multimeter to AC volts.

yes DC current ang mga sasakyan. may "scholarly discussion" lang kasi akong nabasa sa internet na kapag may tama ang mga diodes ay magleleak ito ng AC voltages sa electricals ng sasakyan. (kasi basically, AC ang napoproduce ng alternator at kinoconvert ito to DC using diodes (rectifier).

pero i think i can rest my case. dahil lang siguro sa mumurahin kong tester. baka hindi ganito ang reading kung yung mga tipong fluke, klein, etc.

[nashimoto]

Mga sir baka po matulungan nyo ako.. Honda jazz 2005 matic user.

one day habang nag ddrive pansin ko parang himihina makina ko while about to stop sa intersection. when i finally stop napansin ko nka ilaw battery light ko sa dash.. not blinking.. as in na ka on lang. so what i did pinatay ko makina.. sori mali ata un. i tried to start pero ayaw kumagat. waited for a few seconds ayun nag start. naipark ko pa yung oto sa office, battery light never went on again.. so akala ko bka glitch lang.

pauwi ako while driving napansin ko parang kakapusin nnmn makina ko.. so before ito mangyari ni park ko muna sa gas station.. then pag hinto ko ayun na.. umilaw na battery light sa dash, bumagsak rpm ko then namatay makina.. pero i can still see the dash lights. pinatay ko, then restart ok naman pero andun parin battery light sa dash, tapos babagsak rpm then mamatay makina.. pero lights on the dash are still on.

a friend of mine adjusted the "menor" then he said kapag nka stop ako ilagay ko sa "n" then kadyot konti gas para wag bumagsak yung rpm. after that ni restart ko jazz, battery lights are now off. nag drive nko.. pero pansin ko kakapusin parin makina.. then pag huminto ako ayun mag on ulit battery light then mamatay makina. after restart aandar na.. eventually nakauwi ako.. sobrang kabado sa slex.

im planning to have my battery checked, pero kakabili ko lang nito eh. ibabalik ko dun sa binilhan ko para ma check nila.. you think alternator issue na ito mga sir?

sori sa mahabang istorya.

[miked]

Mga sir baka po matulungan nyo ako.. Honda jazz 2005 matic user.

one day habang nag ddrive pansin ko parang himihina makina ko while about to stop sa intersection. when i finally stop napansin ko nka ilaw battery light ko sa dash.. not blinking.. as in na ka on lang. so what i did pinatay ko makina.. sori mali ata un. i tried to start pero ayaw kumagat. waited for a few seconds ayun nag start. naipark ko pa yung oto sa office, battery light never went on again.. so akala ko bka glitch lang.

pauwi ako while driving napansin ko parang kakapusin nnmn makina ko.. so before ito mangyari ni park ko muna sa gas station.. then pag hinto ko ayun na.. umilaw na battery light sa dash, bumagsak rpm ko then namatay makina.. pero i can still see the dash lights. pinatay ko, then restart ok naman pero andun parin battery light sa dash, tapos babagsak rpm then mamatay makina.. pero lights on the dash are still on.

a friend of mine adjusted the "menor" then he said kapag nka stop ako ilagay ko sa "n" then kadyot konti gas para wag bumagsak yung rpm. after that ni restart ko jazz, battery lights are now off. nag drive nko.. pero pansin ko kakapusin parin makina.. then pag huminto ako ayun mag on ulit battery light then mamatay makina. after restart aandar na.. eventually nakauwi ako.. sobrang kabado sa slex.

im planning to have my battery checked, pero kakabili ko lang nito eh. ibabalik ko dun sa binilhan ko para ma check nila.. you think alternator issue na ito mga sir?

sori sa mahabang istorya.

pinakamaiging gawin mo ay ipascan mo sa honda.

papano iaadjust ang idle speed nyan? di bat drive by wire na mga iyan? o may cable pa rin sa throttle?

[nashimoto]

pinakamaiging gawin mo ay ipascan mo sa honda.

papano iaadjust ang idle speed nyan? di bat drive by wire na mga iyan? o may cable pa rin sa throttle?

may cable parin po ata..

[miked]

may cable parin po ata..

may problema siguro sa idle air control valve.....maybe.

may DIY ways naman available sa youtube kung pano icheck at linisan ang IACV

[nashimoto]

so hindi po alterbator issue agad?

[dr. d]

Mga sir baka po matulungan nyo ako.. Honda jazz 2005 matic user.

one day habang nag ddrive pansin ko parang himihina makina ko while about to stop sa intersection. when i finally stop napansin ko nka ilaw battery light ko sa dash.. not blinking.. as in na ka on lang. so what i did pinatay ko makina.. sori mali ata un. i tried to start pero ayaw kumagat. waited for a few seconds ayun nag start. naipark ko pa yung oto sa office, battery light never went on again.. so akala ko bka glitch lang.

pauwi ako while driving napansin ko parang kakapusin nnmn makina ko.. so before ito mangyari ni park ko muna sa gas station.. then pag hinto ko ayun na.. umilaw na battery light sa dash, bumagsak rpm ko then namatay makina.. pero i can still see the dash lights. pinatay ko, then restart ok naman pero andun parin battery light sa dash, tapos babagsak rpm then mamatay makina.. pero lights on the dash are still on.

a friend of mine adjusted the "menor" then he said kapag nka stop ako ilagay ko sa "n" then kadyot konti gas para wag bumagsak yung rpm. after that ni restart ko jazz, battery lights are now off. nag drive nko.. pero pansin ko kakapusin parin makina.. then pag huminto ako ayun mag on ulit battery light then mamatay makina. after restart aandar na.. eventually nakauwi ako.. sobrang kabado sa slex.

im planning to have my battery checked, pero kakabili ko lang nito eh. ibabalik ko dun sa binilhan ko para ma check nila.. you think alternator issue na ito mga sir?

sori sa mahabang istorya.

my try...
1. clean and tighten the battery terminals.
2. check alternator belt tightness. it might be slipping. adjust if so.

if these don't remedy the issue, you may have to seek professional help.

comment: all AT owners should have a home battery charger, and know how to use it. kahit yung mura lang.... 2K or so...

good luck.

[miked]

so hindi po alterbator issue agad?

wag agad mag-assume ng mga sira lalu na yung mga major items.

sa kahit anong problema ng sasakyan, palaging unahin yung madadali. kagaya ng sabi ni dr. d, tignan muna yung kalinisan at higpit ng batt terminals, voltage readings (13.8 - 14.3 V) at voltage drops, belt tension/alignment, fluid check, clamp check, bolt check, filter check, etc.....

saka mo ngayon bigyan ng pansin yung major components. gaya ng mga sensors na iyan, alternator, etc.

gaya netong thread na pinost ko po e sa voltage reading ko nakita na may problema.

[miked]

comment: all AT owners should have a home battery charger, and know how to use it. kahit yung mura lang.... 2K or so...

good luck.

sa mga tamad mag-shopping, mayron ako nakita last time sa lazada. suoer brand. acceptable na brand din na made in china. around 2k or less ata kung di ako nagkakamali.

ang charger ko kasi ay 6/12 V Panther.

[nashimoto]

motolite dealer checked my battery - ok pa daw. checked alternator - ok pa rin kasi nsa 14v+ ang reading. so far hindi pa umiilaw yung battery light ko sa dash. already checked belt. palagi nmn malinis ang batt connections ko kasi madalas po ako mag lnis ng oto.. i see to it maayos oil level ko etc and all connections are secured before bumabyahe. next step is to bring sa suking mekaniko to have it check.. bka spark plugs lang or sumthing. thanks sa mga inputs mga sir.

[GerryT247]

I dont know if it is true but heard on my friends that once battery power is lost to the electronics of the Honda Jazz, you have to bring it to casa to re-program all parameters of normal operations like power band and idling speed.

[miked]

checked recently my charging system gamit yung kakabili ko lang na multimeter. mejo medium end na brand (UNI-T).

walang nagregister na AC volts unlike dun sa mumurahin kong cdr king multimeter.

so nasa klase ng multimeter nga na gamit.

[nashimoto]

used mulitester, battery only nsa 12.5v, once engine is on nsa 14.5v, once on ang aircon, lights, blinkers, radio etc nag lalaro sa 13.8 to 14.3v, hindi ko pa na try ig ano volts kapag umaandar ng sasakyan. still a mystery kung bakit bigla sumindi yung battery light ko for the whole day and kills my engine. as og now ok takbo nya. made sure battery ports are clean, airfilter is clean, alternator cables are tight and belt is tight.

[nashimoto]

mga sir any recommended auto electrical shop south area? yung honest.. hindi yung tipong pabbilhin ako agad ng alternator.

[jick.cejoco]

used mulitester, battery only nsa 12.5v, once engine is on nsa 14.5v, once on ang aircon, lights, blinkers, radio etc nag lalaro sa 13.8 to 14.3v, hindi ko pa na try ig ano volts kapag umaandar ng sasakyan. still a mystery kung bakit bigla sumindi yung battery light ko for the whole day and kills my engine. as og now ok takbo nya. made sure battery ports are clean, airfilter is clean, alternator cables are tight and belt is tight.

you probably have a higher than normal parasitic load (electronically tuned radio, clock, PCM and alarm). if the radio is an aftermarket replacement or add on or the alarm is an aftermarket installation, the parasitic load might be higher than 30 milliamps. your car's average should be lower than the 30mA continuous load. check for wet electrical connectors, wet light bulb sockets and aftermarket installations. the factory connectors are either metri pack or weather pack connectors which are sealed with silicone inserts and are water tight

[nashimoto]

ang huling ginawa ko lang po sa car is nagpalit ng alarm horn kasi bumigay nayung luma ko. stated sa luma is 25watts.. nabili ko 30watts.. pero this is 1 month ago pa.