Shell Philippines to launch Euro 4 fuels by Jan. 1, 2016

[jut703]

Noted on that but based on visual, parang mas well kept ang stations ng shell sa metro. Im hoping this translates to their quality control in terms of handling and storing their fuels. Although cannot find anything negative with unioil, you think its worth shifting to shell based on their qc in handling and storage vs a smaller player like unioil?

Basing my assumptions on the fact that shell is multinational and a bigger more established player...

I have always said that more than the fuel itself, it's most likely the station's UGTs and pumps that could be the weakest links in preventing contamination.

Definitely, multinationals have the strictest policies when it comes to proper wetstock management. To be fair though, Petron also has stringent measures laid out. The difference is always in the implementation. Stations in metro manila are very well-kept. Stations in the province, even if it's a multinational, can still be mismanaged and have poor wetstock control, and some even dump (get fuel from shady sources).

But if you were to wager on a particular brand, yes, sticking with the big ones is a safe bet. I have nothing against Unioil and other emerging players, I even use their fuel occasionally. But I do know that not all stations and standards are equal.


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[Djerms]

I have always said that more than the fuel itself, it's most likely the station's UGTs and pumps that could be the weakest links in preventing contamination.

Definitely, multinationals have the strictest policies when it comes to proper wetstock management. To be fair though, Petron also has stringent measures laid out. The difference is always in the implementation. Stations in metro manila are very well-kept. Stations in the province, even if it's a multinational, can still be mismanaged and have poor wetstock control, and some even dump (get fuel from shady sources).

But if you were to wager on a particular brand, yes, sticking with the big ones is a safe bet. I have nothing against Unioil and other emerging players, I even use their fuel occasionally. But I do know that not all stations and standards are equal.


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Thanks for this

[pdx]

I have read somewhere, can remember kung saan dito, that euro4 diesel is not ideal for vehicles with old engines like the crosswind. I own one, kaya tanong ko muna sa inyo mga sir kung ok bang gamitin ko itong Eu4 diesel ng shell for my ride para bawas usok (yun naman purpose ng euro4 tama ba? mas malinis na diesel?).

wala po bang masamang epekto ito sa mga old school diesel engines?

[Djerms]

I have read somewhere, can remember kung saan dito, that euro4 diesel is not ideal for vehicles with old engines like the crosswind. I own one, kaya tanong ko muna sa inyo mga sir kung ok bang gamitin ko itong Eu4 diesel ng shell for my ride para bawas usok (yun naman purpose ng euro4 tama ba? mas malinis na diesel?).

wala po bang masamang epekto ito sa mga old school diesel engines?

Wala. Yung iba either missinformed or praning lang.

[Wh1stl3r2]

I have read somewhere, can remember kung saan dito, that euro4 diesel is not ideal for vehicles with old engines like the crosswind. I own one, kaya tanong ko muna sa inyo mga sir kung ok bang gamitin ko itong Eu4 diesel ng shell for my ride para bawas usok (yun naman purpose ng euro4 tama ba? mas malinis na diesel?).

wala po bang masamang epekto ito sa mga old school diesel engines?

My old Isuzu truck with an old school 4HG1 motor has been using Euro 4 Petron diesel for at least 3 months now. Ok naman, not much difference except less smoke. Not that it was smoky to begin with.

[vubando]

Question lang po:
In the future, kung lahat ng station/fuel ay Euro4 na at ito ay emission standard compliant fuels,
Dapat na bang tanggalin ang Emission Testing sa pag-renew ng rehistro ng sasakyan?

[dr. d]

Question lang po:
In the future, kung lahat ng station/fuel ay Euro4 na at ito ay emission standard compliant fuels,
Dapat na bang tanggalin ang Emission Testing sa pag-renew ng rehistro ng sasakyan?

hindi siguro.
the emission testing is more for the condition of the engine, and less for the quality of the fuel.
a tired engine will produce more pollution using even the best of fuels.

[jaggerx3]

hindi siguro.
the emission testing is more for the condition of the engine, and less for the quality of the fuel.
a tired engine will produce more pollution using even the best of fuels.

What do you mean with "tired engine"?

[oj88]

Another reason why Euro 4 is being phased in is so that new Diesel cars that have elaborate emissions systems can be sold here.

Otherwise, the high sulfur content of Euro 2 fuels will destroy or at the least shorten the life of those expensive emission systems.

[dr. d]

What do you mean with "tired engine"?

engines whose space and/or adjustment tolerances have gone beyond factory allowances.. either because they have not been maintained (tuned up) properly, or, kelangan nang palitan ang ibang piyesa, o buong uber-howl because of wear and tear.

[Stigg ma]

baket tayo masyado natutuwa dito sa euro 4 standards? diba luma na ito at may mas mataas na standards na available?

dahil ba ito lang ang market need ng pinas? o eto ang most bang for the buck standard na gamitin ng pinas?

[Juan Martinez]

^why not? if it's for the good of our environment, whether euro 4 or 5 or 1 million, why we shouldn't be happy? everything has to start somewhere, and that somewhere is here and now.

[jaggerx3]

Sabagay Euro 6 na nga starex sa grey market eh. Pero good start na ito..much much cleaner sa euro 2

[oj88]

baket tayo masyado natutuwa dito sa euro 4 standards? diba luma na ito at may mas mataas na standards na available?

dahil ba ito lang ang market need ng pinas? o eto ang most bang for the buck standard na gamitin ng pinas?

Because we are at least going somewhere. Lower sulfur = less sulfuric acid as by-product (benefits engine longevity) = emissions systems won't get clogged or lose efficiency (Euro 4 vehicles) = less pollution for humans

The process of removing sulfur from fuel stock lengthens the refining process, which translates to increased production costs. Refiners are compelled to do this now however, to comply with government regulations.

Bottom line is, if you lower the fuel sulfur, all other pollutants follow suit (Euro 4 vehicles).

[Stigg ma]

^why not? if it's for the good of our environment, whether euro 4 or 5 or 1 million, why we shouldn't be happy? everything has to start somewhere, and that somewhere is here and now.

you don't get the point of my question, why go the outdated euro 4 if a higher standard is already available?

kung hindi pa mandated by DOE by 2016 mag EURO 4 eh di naman mag uupgrade ito mga oil companies? where is the care in the environment there? and sa DOE what made them decide na EURO 4 lang dapat sa pinas? cost sa production mas mataas sa higher standard, how can cost be justified sa on-going environmental change aka climate change?

[Juan Martinez]

you don't get the point of my question, why go the outdated euro 4 if a higher standard is already available?

pray tell me, what's so arcane or difficult to understand in your post?

you read it again.

you asked why there is so much fuss about euro 4 when another standard is available, right?

you don't want us to be happy about the implementation of euro 4 because another standard is available, right?

this was why I SAID: everything has to start somewhere, and that somewhere is here and now, whether or not it's euro 4 or 5 or 1 million.

rather than bicker or quibble, what did Theodore Roosevelt say about this? --

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

[Djerms]

A simple question was answered by a simple answer then followed up by a more complicated question that goes back to the simple answer. Hehehe.

[Mask Rider Blac]

+1 for JM.

[Stigg ma]

pray tell me, what's so arcane or difficult to understand in your post?

you read it again.

you asked why there is so much fuss about euro 4 when another standard is available, right?

you don't want us to be happy about the implementation of euro 4 because another standard is available, right?

this was why I SAID: everything has to start somewhere, and that somewhere is here and now, whether or not it's euro 4 or 5 or 1 million.

rather than bicker or quibble, what did Theodore Roosevelt say about this? --

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

sad to know that what we have is an outdated one and we are contented with it

[Juan Martinez]

sad to know that what we have is an outdated one and we are contented with it

happiness and contentment are two different animals.

everything, which includes CHANGE, has to start somewhere . is there a constant change?

i hate to repeat myself like garrulous octogenarians, with all due respect to them.