Biodiesel counterpart???

[Bogeyman]

mikbik, enlighten us on this. What's your personal take on the product? What are the ingredients, as Djerms said? Organic ba? Synthetic? What makes it so effective compared to other diesel fuel additives?

Let's cut through the sales talk that was merely lifted from http://www.oberonlube.com.

[mikbik]

Synthetic ito. Improvements? less fuel consumption, smoother accel, less emission, and cleaner fuel tank and injector after using it for almost 4 yrs. on a 8 year old vhicle. ingredients are not mentioned but iso-parraffin ang formulation nila. Oil based that passed through 4-5 stages.

Effectivty naman, all I can say is "Instantly". the moment you used ramdam mo agad epekto and this product is a "no joke" hindi ito puro marketing blah blah... the product speaks for itself kahit sa website as you can see no deeper info on the product is basta it stated na "the ultimate diesel fuel additve" period. its Up for you to try.

same thing goes to me nung first time ko gumamit, did some research since hindi kilala never heard, so nag try ako. now using almost all their product since sobrang ganda and totoo yung product.

[Djerms]

Marami naman kasi products na makapagbibigay ng instant acceleration/speed/response eh. However they vary in terms of effect in engine life and after effects. It may be a plain and simple marketing for the makers of this new product to say that its the ultimate injector and fuel lines cleaner pero this says a lot since they did not give a detailed explanation of the contents of their product and how these affect the engine in the long run. Just my opinion.

[mikbik]

long term effects? i think kung yun ang i-coconsider eh my vote goes to Oil companies like them. Coz they have been in the business long before we exist cguro.

Ingredients?? i believe no oil company would expose their formulation syempre sekreto nila yan and even mobil1 or motul wla naman ingredient nakalagay sa mga pakaging nila.

[ILuvDetailing]

purpose daw nito eh it protects the fuel lines and tanks from water na rust as well as mga rubber fittings for cracks.

How?

[Bogeyman]

What should one watch out for when using Oberon A656?

This is not just an assumption because any automotive product that claims to have no downside in its use is outright BS, IMO. With regards to biodiesel, we know that it is quite a powerful solvent. A 100% blend is strong enough to melt rubber fuel lines, which is why a controlled ratio of 1% - 20% is necessary.

[mikbik]

that's why nga may ratio eh... to follow and the packaging comes in pump container w/c has mL indicated for ease of use of ratio indicated.

[altec]

BD is organically grown LOCALLY. Oberon is imported. True, there are additives that claim to be more financially viable than BD. The question here, as claimed by Mikbik, is that Oberon is synthetic, therefore, inorganic. With some other additives, they use some kind of metal like teflon, paraffin, copper, as the secret lubricating ingredient. It may be good to use when mixed with oil for lubrication purposes, but for fuel that you burn? Yun ang ayoko. You burn these things and forms part of the pollution that is one of the purpose of using BD. Saving fuel by better fuel economy should not be the main purpose in adding any additive to your fuel, but should be treated only as gravy, secondary benefit.

I used to use oberon mixing with oil lubricants. But stopped using it kasi ang mahal. And found another cheaper with similar results. But never did I try using it or any additive mixing with fuel that will burn and further pollute our air.

[woodfire]

From an economic standpoint, I compare as follows:


Oberon - Foreign Currency drainer; Biodiesel-Foreign Currency earner via export
Oberon - Synthetic; Biodiesel- Reneweable, Organic, Sustainable
Oberon- No impact in povery alleviation; Biodiesel- Helps coconut farmers/planters
Oberon- Foreign initiated enterprise; Biodiesel- initiative of local entreprenuers
Oberon- "generates little employment;" Biodiesel- huge impact in generating employment

from a socio-economic standpoint, i believe biodiesel is the way to go

[Bogeyman]

that's why nga may ratio eh... to follow and the packaging comes in pump container w/c has mL indicated for ease of use of ratio indicated.

Which brings us back to the original point: what happens if we don't follow the specified ratio?

I am not against BD. maganda ito at least meron lang tayo alternative

Think about it: aggressively marketing Oberon A656 vis-a-vis biodiesel will make it even more difficult for BD to gain industry and public support. It's bad enough that only a daring few so far are actively using biodiesel in their vehicles, yet a lot of members here are openly advocating the use of biodiesel in all diesel vehicles. I myself have begun to spread the word of biodiesel among the jeepney drivers in our area. Furthermore, BD is already considered an alternative fuel over regular diesel, and now this Oberon A656 is supposedly yet another 'alternative' to this alternative?

I agree with woodfire's points. Biodiesel benefits not only your vehicle and the environment, but credits our coconut-farming countrymen as well, giving them a chance at a better life. This Oberon A656, on the other hand, stands to credit only a handful of foreign scientists and engineers, from the looks of it (not to mention certain local retailers).

[mikbik]

ok got the point. but that is not my intention taking away BD users to switch to diff. foreign additives and luring not to be patriotic to our own country.

My point here since it is automotive forums eh to discuss diff. brands compare, analyze, search and search and search... un-ending searching for the best coz the good just becomes better so limiting yourself to what you think is already good for you just because it is "proudly phil. made". the sky is the limit explore for big things out there.

Kaya nga eh only a few are using BD? did you ask why?? Answer: Expensive!! locally made na nga sya so dapat mura pero minsan mas mahal pa or onti dagdag na eh branded pa. But its a diff story prob. ng gobyerno natin yan. off topic na yan.

[rsnald]

matindi ang diskusyon dito ha...
bukod sa marketing and sales pitch...meron pang social-financial and macro economic analysis :D

ang nawawala na lang...scientific and hard-data analysis

I did a brief googlesearch, wala akong makitang reference kung ano chemical composition nya para mairelate man lang sa claimed benefits nya.

anyways... sige pa. diskusyon pa! I for one would'nt go for testimonies on perceived improvements. give me hard data and perhaps I'll believe you

just my sentimos pre, peace!

[Bogeyman]

Saving fuel by better fuel economy should not be the main purpose in adding any additive to your fuel, but should be treated only as gravy, secondary benefit.

Yup. When biodiesel was first introduced, just about the only selling point was reduced exhaust emissions. When other users started reporting increased mileage, improved engine efficiency and power, those were more or less fringe benefits.

Unlike the marketing for Oberon A656 which promises practically everything but the moon, while still refusing to come clean with whatever disadvantages that will arise.

limiting yourself to what you think is already good for you... the sky is the limit explore for big things out there.

Exactly. Why limit yourself to petroleum-based/synthetic products when nature is waiting with its own alternative (and renewable) contribution to the energy problem?

Kaya nga eh only a few are using BD? did you ask why?? Answer: Expensive!! locally made na nga sya so dapat mura pero minsan mas mahal pa or onti dagdag na eh branded pa.

Dead wrong.

Again, lack of support is what currently keeps biodiesel prices from being more competitive. Then there's also minimal awareness among diesel motorists so far. And of course, there are the lobbyists in behalf of the major oil companies to watch out for.

The biodiesel industry will not expand overnight, at least not to a size large enough to challenge it with supposedly cheaper products in the market. It needs time to develop and establish itself. Biodiesel is only just beginning to make strides towards energy conservation and environmental preservation, using an indigenous and readily available source.

And yet it is already being killed by the introduction of more foreign products that carry yet more outlandish promises.

[Djerms]

Bogeyman,
Well said.