Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[yuyuti]

Hi guys, i am currently deciding whether to convert my car to 100% lpg nextweek.
My ride is a 2004 4x2Honda CRV 2.0
Regarding the conversion, can you guys help me out choose between Manila Auto Gas and Petron Xtend?
I would gladly appreciate other opinions.
And can i refill on any lpg stations? I have read that refilling on "that" particular lpg station caused them a decrease in car performance.
My area is Las Pinas and budget for conversion is 40-70k.
Thanks!

[Louga]

Hi guys, i am currently deciding whether to convert my car to 100% lpg nextweek.
My ride is a 2004 4x2Honda CRV 2.0
Regarding the conversion, can you guys help me out choose between Manila Auto Gas and Petron Xtend?
I would gladly appreciate other opinions.
And can i refill on any lpg stations? I have read that refilling on "that" particular lpg station caused them a decrease in car performance.
My area is Las Pinas and budget for conversion is 40-70k.
Thanks!

I would recommend zoom autogas sa timog. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Xoom-...c/147942740621. good kit and service.

[vinj]

Update: Found out that the car has no thermostat installed. It takes a while for the engine to warm up. Will install a thermostat today...

That's good to hear. That should help improve your FC outright IMO. Do give an update if it helps.

I'd suggest you have your VQ engine compression tested. Since the thermostat was removed, chances are it may have overheated before and a badly overheated VQ plain sucks

[non-vtec]

Had a full tank of LPG last night and installed the OEM thermostat today. Drove around 53KMS and it still on full. Tremendous improvement from my last full tank where I only clocked roughly 140kms and its almost empty. The thermostat was probably removed by the LPG installer in anticipation of increased heat from the engine.

What's weird is that the engine bay isn't as hot as before when there was no thermostat installed. Will bring it to NGQA for a complete checkup and PMS tomorrow.

[n5110]

Hi guys, i am currently deciding whether to convert my car to 100% lpg nextweek.
My ride is a 2004 4x2Honda CRV 2.0
Regarding the conversion, can you guys help me out choose between Manila Auto Gas and Petron Xtend?
I would gladly appreciate other opinions.
And can i refill on any lpg stations? I have read that refilling on "that" particular lpg station caused them a decrease in car performance.
My area is Las Pinas and budget for conversion is 40-70k.
Thanks!

got my car converted at greenfuel in mandaluyong aug 2008. malayo pero ok naman ang trabaho nila. until now 95% running on lpg. wala po akong masasabi dun sa mga suggested installer niyo. best bet is to go sa mga nirerecommend ng mga tsikoter dito. i pump my lpg at total alabang always dahil taga las pinas din ako. so far matino ang quality nila very consistent ang response sa kotse ko.

[vinj]

Hi guys, i am currently deciding whether to convert my car to 100% lpg nextweek.
My ride is a 2004 4x2Honda CRV 2.0
Regarding the conversion, can you guys help me out choose between Manila Auto Gas and Petron Xtend?
I would gladly appreciate other opinions.
And can i refill on any lpg stations? I have read that refilling on "that" particular lpg station caused them a decrease in car performance.
My area is Las Pinas and budget for conversion is 40-70k.
Thanks!

Try to check out Xoom in Timog or Greenfuel in Mandaluyong (better to call Greenfuel first before going though, and its hard to find if you're not familiar with the area). Nick of Xoom goes online here, you can send him a PM if you want to inquire (handle is xoom).

Nice thing about converting a CR-V, i think they can fit the toroidal tank in the space under the rear cargohold so you still maintain your cargo area and spare tire at the same time. If you use the CR-V daily, go for the conversion, the more the car is used, the faster the ROI. Just make sure it's in good running condition before you do the conversion to ensure that tuning the LPG kit will be easier and no problems will come out. Do a tune-up, observe that there are no idling problems, no leaks, cooling system is a-ok, and you can have a compression test done first as well if possible.

[sirkosero]

magbababa daw auto lpg by 3pesos sabi sa news...

[XOOMaster]

Hi guys!
I'm looking for someone with a 1.3J VIOS or 1.4 Accent that wants to have their car converted. I have a new conversion system by BMD gas Netherlands.
Their system is co-researched and manufactured in Korea with OEM qualifications in mind.
PM me if interested. I will give a very special price for the conversion.
Cheers!
Nick

[vinj]

Passed by Xoom for a check up today. Satisfied with how Mac (tama ba yung name?) helped out. He also used a unit that detects any LPG leaks/odor which is different from the soap and water approach used in other shops.

My mileage is 82K now on the LPG Altis. I'll go back at 85K for a general service/tuning so my oil, air filter and plugs will be fresh after my regular PMS.

They were doing an LPG install on a Ford E150 Club Wagon. Looks like a long haul set up as they'll be putting in two LPG tanks with a combined 220L capacity (around 176L if you're looking at the 80% filling capacity). At 4km/L, that will do more than 700kms in city driving and 6km/L in highway driving, you're looking at a whopping 1000km range. Pagudpud to Sorsogon anyone? :D

[ghosthunter]

They were doing an LPG install on a Ford E150 Club Wagon. Looks like a long haul set up as they'll be putting in two LPG tanks with a combined 220L capacity (around 176L if you're looking at the 80% filling capacity). At 4km/L, that will do more than 700kms in city driving and 6km/L in highway driving, you're looking at a whopping 1000km range. Pagudpud to Sorsogon anyone? :D

Assuming the E-150 will be used for out of town trips, it will need the extended range from it's double tanks because Auto-LPG stations outside Metro Manila is practically non-existent.

I remember my brother's XP with it's large 75L donut tank could just barely reach Baguio from Manila on LPG alone.

BTW, where are the twin tanks mounted in the E150?... on the floor? roof racks? side pods?

[vinj]

Assuming the E-150 will be used for out of town trips, it will need the extended range from it's double tanks because Auto-LPG stations outside Metro Manila is practically non-existent.

I remember my brother's XP with it's large 75L donut tank could just barely reach Baguio from Manila on LPG alone.

BTW, where are the twin tanks mounted in the E150?... on the floor? roof racks? side pods?

On the roof? :D I think the primary reason for the set-up on this particular vehicle is for long distance passenger hauls really.

They removed the third row of the E150 (so w/ the captains chairs, it's now a 7/8 seater instead of a 11/12 seater). I'm guessing they'll put some shelving or a flat board over the tanks to make luggage space.

Here's a couple of pics of the rear tank set-up (w/ permission of Xoomaster):

[shibby75]

Im about convert my innova to lpg after the/warranty expires. ROI would not be possible with within 3 yrs since this is only my weekend car. i use my lpg corolla lovelife as my daily drive.

Since most of the clients of lpg stations are taxi and with the nearing end of franchise life of most taxi models (i think 12yrs corolla lovelife ) and most new vioses and rios are not lpg fueled, would the lpg stations operation still be profitable to operate?

I dont want to convert and be left with no lpg stations to get my fuel? Will this situation be possible?

[ghosthunter]

Im about convert my innova to lpg after the/warranty expires. ROI would not be possible with within 3 yrs since this is only my weekend car. i use my lpg corolla lovelife as my daily drive.

Since most of the clients of lpg stations are taxi and with the nearing end of franchise life of most taxi models (i think 12yrs corolla lovelife ) and most new vioses and rios are not lpg fueled, would the lpg stations operation still be profitable to operate?

I dont want to convert and be left with no lpg stations to get my fuel? Will this situation be possible?

I do think that Auto-LPG stations will still be around for a long time to come. The current trend is for Auto-LPG only fuel stations to diversify into selling diesel and gasoline as well. Other established fuel stations just add one or two Auto-LPG pumps so these types wouldn't be vanishing anytime soon.

[soyuz1234]

Mga sir, balak ko po sana bumili ng 2000-2002 Toyota Revo Gas. Balak ko po sana papa convert into LPG. The problem is hesitant ako and skeptical kasi meron akong sakay na bata 2 years old.

1. Hindi po ba mangangamoy sa loob specially while driving low speed and parking in a tight garage.
2. Pag labas ng sasakyan or pag pasok ng sasakyan while engine is idling, hindi po ba masyadong maamoy?
3. At quick things to watch out for with LPG converted cards

So far, nag backread na po ako more than 50 pages from archived and continued thread at wala po ako mahanap na sagot, kaya nagtanong na lng ako.

[ghosthunter]

Mga sir, balak ko po sana bumili ng 2000-2002 Toyota Revo Gas. Balak ko po sana papa convert into LPG. The problem is hesitant ako and skeptical kasi meron akong sakay na bata 2 years old.

1. Hindi po ba mangangamoy sa loob specially while driving low speed and parking in a tight garage.
2. Pag labas ng sasakyan or pag pasok ng sasakyan while engine is idling, hindi po ba masyadong maamoy?
3. At quick things to watch out for with LPG converted cards

So far, nag backread na po ako more than 50 pages from archived and continued thread at wala po ako mahanap na sagot, kaya nagtanong na lng ako.

Concern # 1. As long as there is no leaks in the system and the tanks were installed correctly/properly, there will be no LPG smell inside the vehicle's cabin. In the case of a leak in the LPG tank's regulator, the housing around the regular prevents LPG from getting into the cabin. The housing has a tube which vents the leaked LPG to outside the vehicle.

Concern # 2. If the air-fuel mixture is properly set, the "LPG-smell" will be minimal.

FYI, the "LPG smell" is a chemical odor added to LPG and meant to help us detect LPG leaks. LPG itself has no smell.

Auto-LPG use is safe. The myths about taxi drivers suddenly getting some undiagnosed medical symptoms after their cabs were converted to Auto-LPG is unfounded and has no direct connection to Auto-LPG use. The fact is that Auto-LPG has been widely used in other countries around the world without any health related issues.

[ghosthunter]

3. At quick things to watch out for with LPG converted cars

Typical things you would be the same with gasoline cars. The only added things to check is to see if there is any leaks from the Auto-LPG tank's regulator or filler. Remove the regulator housing cover and give it a quick sniff. If you smell LPG, then bring it back to the installer and let them find the source of the leak and fix it.

BTW, avoid Auto-LPG stations with OILY Auto-LPG, especially if you have a SGI-LPG system (LPG fuel injection system) because it will clog your injectors and result in either loss of power or slight rough running engine. Even if your LPG kit is fitted with a filter, it is still better to have "clean" fuel. How to avoid? Check with other users of the same station and ask.

[soyuz1234]

Thank you po sa replies. Very enlightening.
Dagdag tanong ko lang po,

In terms of engine performance Especially yung hatak at bilis compared sa petrol,

At madali ba nakakasira ng makina pag LPG?

Knowing 12 years old na yung bibilhin ko na sasakyan, tapos meron konting pagagawa, baka bumigay lang yung makina?

[vinj]

Thank you po sa replies. Very enlightening.
Dagdag tanong ko lang po,

In terms of engine performance Especially yung hatak at bilis compared sa petrol,

At madali ba nakakasira ng makina pag LPG?

Knowing 12 years old na yung bibilhin ko na sasakyan, tapos meron konting pagagawa, baka bumigay lang yung makina?

Garbage in - garbage out: If the car you're buying isn't one that is maintained properly beforehand then expect problems. Just as with any second hand car, it's best to make sure the engine is tuned up, has no leaks, no idling problems, electrical and sensor bugs, and has good compression before you install the LPG kit so as tuning will not be a hard task. I installed my LPG kit on almost brand new car several years ago and to this day it has no problems (just regular service).

Hatak? Go for the SGI kit, there's hardly any difference in power. I drive my Altis to Baguio regularly and it handles the job just as if the car was running on gas. The Revo is a little underpowered out of the box though and if you're getting one to put LPG on then maybe the 2.0L version might be better (if i were buying a Revo second hand, i'd probably go for the slow, but efficient and reliable 2.4L diesel version).

[ghosthunter]

Thank you po sa replies. Very enlightening.
Dagdag tanong ko lang po,

In terms of engine performance Especially yung hatak at bilis compared sa petrol,

At madali ba nakakasira ng makina pag LPG?

Knowing 12 years old na yung bibilhin ko na sasakyan, tapos meron konting pagagawa, baka bumigay lang yung makina?

As mentioned by VINJ above, the performance under LPG is dependent on the condition of the engine and vehicle itself. If the vehicle runs well and smooth on gasoline, then it would have the same performance under Auto-LPG. Do note that Auto-LPG does run slightly hotter in the engine than gasoline but a proper operating radiator will keep your engine operating fine.

Getting the most performance from Auto-LPG is possible, in fact it is possible to get a bit more power from LPG but it would result with your engine running like crap with gasoline (yes I have tried it). So the best is just to keep the engine in it's "factory" settings (ignition timing & compression ratio) and it will run well on either gasoline or Auto-LPG.

If you have doubts about your engine's condition, best to have it checked (cylinder compression, radiator condition, oil leaks, etc) before having anything done to it.

My corolla has been running on Auto-LPG for almost eight years now. Although these days I am using it less often because I have a new car as my daily drive.

BTW, the cheaper "carb-type" Auto-LPG kit costs much less than the SGI-LPG kits. The result is a slight loss in engine power of between 5 to 10 percent depending on tune of the LPG kit. Also carb-type lpg kits are sensitive to changes in ambient air pressure. So if your car is adjusted for Metro Manila, driving it up to Baguio would make your engine run rough due to it running richer than normal. This happened to me but I just switched over to gasoline for the day I was in Baguio. Then switched back to LPG when I was half-way down the mountain on my drive back to Manila. No major issues.

[soyuz1234]

Thanks,

1 more thing,

(if i were buying a Revo second hand, i'd probably go for the slow, but efficient and reliable 2.4L diesel version).

Hindi na kasi kaya ng budget namin yung diesel variant. 300K max lang ang budget namin kasama na jan yung 30K na naka laan for minor repais, tune up, change oil, flushing ng fluids at linis aircon

Tanong ko lang sir, you would rather get the diesel variant tapos papa dual fuel nyo with LPG? Or stick to diesel only?

Thanks din sir
ghosthunter