Whats a nice M/T SUV?

[drich_enriquez]

Mitsubishi Montero Sport
Toyota Fortuner
Isuzu Altera
Mazda CX9 (Ok din ito kaya lang gas nga lang. BT 50 lang ang meron diesel)
Ford Everest (Yung base may manual not sure) Correct me if I'm wrong
Captiva (Walang Manual)

[hinDMaxsiado]

Whoa! Where did you get the performance values of these cars? The difference is really very big... Is it in wheel horsepower already? When looking up the performance improvements in Speedlab's Unichip, they showed mostly only around 25-30whp increase for 3.0L CRDi turbo intercooler SUVs and pickups.

Sir, i hope those numbers are wheel-hp hehe as DTS Philippines for one has its own chassis-dyno ---- a background i can share are two Pinoy forumers who have had their 3.0-litre Toyota D4-D chassis-dynoed at Speedlab Racing. One was equipped with a Unichip and the other with a Racechip.... According to the guy that has the Unichip, he was suprised to see that the cheaper Racechip had more pronounced gain than the PhP30,000 Unichip....

Sir, kindly look at RaceChip Deutschland (Germany) website, and DTS Philippines website and you'll see all the published gains thereat. As far as the Racechip is concerned, the Isuzu Alterra is named Isuzu MU-7 (this is the Thai-Alterra; just look at the standard spec similar to our Alterra Ddi-iTEQ, not the auto-tranny MU-7 utilising the iTEQ VGS turbo engine). The Mitsubishi Monterosport is named Pajerosport (similar to the ones in Malaysia and Thailand standard Di-D engine).

[hinDMaxsiado]

Sir GTi.

By the way pala, does the newly-facelifted 2012 Toyota Fortuner 2.5 D4-D come now with an intercooled engine (and with a VGT) or the engine is still the standard 2KD-FTV gaya ng Innova na walang intercooler?

We all know that the two manual-tranny SUV, namely, the Alterra 3.0 Ddi-iTEQ and the Monterosport 2.5 Di-D standard are equipped with intercoolers. Ganoon din yata sir ang Ford Everest 2.5 TDCi manual-tranny, meron din yata intercooler.

[SiRbossR]

^no, there isn't any intercooler for the 2.5 Fortuner. BUT, it gained 5hp from 102hp to 107hp according to the brochure.

[niky]

My mistake, I'm the one who said 107. The brochure actually says 102 PS.

So it's really 100 hp only.

[SiRbossR]

My mistake, I'm the one who said 107. The brochure actually says 102 PS.

So it's really 100 hp only.

HAHA i know i really didn't read that from the brochure, anyways.

[GTi]

Sir, i hope those numbers are wheel-hp hehe as DTS Philippines for one has its own chassis-dyno ---- a background i can share are two Pinoy forumers who have had their 3.0-litre Toyota D4-D chassis-dynoed at Speedlab Racing. One was equipped with a Unichip and the other with a Racechip.... According to the guy that has the Unichip, he was suprised to see that the cheaper Racechip had more pronounced gain than the PhP30,000 Unichip....

Sir, kindly look at RaceChip Deutschland (Germany) website, and DTS Philippines website and you'll see all the published gains thereat. As far as the Racechip is concerned, the Isuzu Alterra is named Isuzu MU-7 (this is the Thai-Alterra; just look at the standard spec similar to our Alterra Ddi-iTEQ, not the auto-tranny MU-7 utilising the iTEQ VGS turbo engine). The Mitsubishi Monterosport is named Pajerosport (similar to the ones in Malaysia and Thailand standard Di-D engine).

Oh so the Racechip is actually better than the Unichip? Where can we get it ba? Yung Unichip kasi mas convenient since andun na lahat sa Speedlab. I saw the Racechip website but I wish they had the dyno sheets to back their claims the same way Speedlab does with their Unichip. Napakalaki ng claims nila grabe, to the point na beyond belief na! Kung tingnan mo yung mga Hyundai at Kia oh, lagpas 100hp/L of displacement na! Meron kaya tayo dito na naka-Racechip na nagpadyno?

Yung DTS naman, ewan... Pati yung mga kotseng malamang na hindi malalagyan ng chip tulad ng Crosswind nilagyan din ng claims of performance increase...

The facelifted Fortuner still uses the same old 102ps/260Nm configuration of the 2KD-FTV engine. No VNT, no intercooler. They said that the VNT engine still has issues with the local fuel. Here we go again with the choking issues then...

[hinDMaxsiado]

Sir GTi, dito mismo sa tsikot nagbebenta ng RaceChip Pro (take note the one with the Pro is the higher end), for PhP24k for tsikoters....

PM mo sir si boss Jedi, or you may call at 09053338777, or go to the "engine and fuel system talk" section of this forum; it's in one of the stickies. It says there we can buy it straight at Tsikot-Taguig shop, dito siguro sa Bonifacio business district just right across Makati.

[niky]

The question with chips is long-term reliability. There are definitely chips that produce more power than the Unichip, but remember: The Unichip is tuned to your individual vehicle (if you opt to avail of the free dyno-tuning.. which is worth 5k per hour, so in effect, the Unichip is a 25k chip + dyno-tuning).

I've seen european chips outperform the Unichip on the Focus TDCi of Tuason Racing... but with increased EGTs and lots of black smoke... which is why Tuason decided to opt instead for the Unichip, which also allowed them to enable multiple running modes, including a "student/rookie" mode where the turn down the power a bit to make the car less jumpy.

[myk384]

Mazda CX9 (Ok din ito kaya lang gas nga lang. BT 50 lang ang meron diesel)

Are you sure about this???

[GTi]

Sir GTi, dito mismo sa tsikot nagbebenta ng RaceChip Pro (take note the one with the Pro is the higher end), for PhP24k for tsikoters....

PM mo sir si boss Jedi, or you may call at 09053338777, or go to the "engine and fuel system talk" section of this forum; it's in one of the stickies. It says there we can buy it straight at Tsikot-Taguig shop, dito siguro sa Bonifacio business district just right across Makati.

Malayo ang Taguig sa amin eh... Do they do delivery along with installation too? Not that I'm buying one of those soon though. :rofl: Our only car that has an engine that should benefit much from a chip (being electronically controlled and turbocharged) is the Trooper. And we have BIG reservations as whether the lemon engine would be able to take it without giving rejection symptoms.

*niky: 25k nalang ba ang Unichip ngayon? I remember before it was 30k for integrated and 50k for plug & play?

[niky]

What I mean is if you compare it to a 25k peso chip, buying the 30k Unichip is like buying a 25k chip and paying 5k extra to dynotune it.

While Racechip, RedTech and DPChip boxes carry standard tunes programmed in at the country of origin, each Unichip installation is custom-tuned to the specific car.

So while the standard tunes may make more or less power (depending on how aggressive the tune), the Unichip will optimize engine output on each individual vehicle. This matters even more if you combine it with intake, intercooler and exhaust modifications.

The reason some chips outperform it on stock cars is because Ferman is generally cautious in tuning and doesn't push the tuning to the edge. He tunes for approximately best power, then dials back the tuning for safety.

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Of course, like we discussed before, yeah... it's kind of not advisable to use it with the ticking time bomb that is the 4JX1...

[basti08]

I would go for the Montero Sport GLX (2.5L 143hp vs 2.5L 102hp for the Fortuner). For the reason that the Fortuner reminds me much of our Innova inside. It has a nice ride and handling. Btw, the MT of the MS is rather car-like and crisp. More power too.

[sjcbagacay04]

I would recommend to buy Mitsubishi Montero Sport GLS 4x4 Mt. Best value for a SUV 4x4 MT of all

[EuroFD]

Just got my Montero GLX 4x2 M/T 3 days ago. I love the power, control, smooth takeoff and comfortable pedals. I'd recommend this to manual tranny drivers.

[Ry_Tower]

^ Ano na kaya napili ni TS? I would reco the MS GLS 4x4 MT and the Alterra as well.