best pickup in the philippine market now

[odell]

strada *new vgt engine

hilux *new face lifted

ranger existing

I need an AT, for everyday driving.

I would pick the top of the line models of which.

What are your inputs regarding the said units?

[hinDMaxsiado]

strada *new vgt engine

hilux *new face lifted

Sir, HONESTLY, "new" engine is just a by-word with one of these competing companies, and it's just a marketing ploy.... You may deduce from this excerpt at the other thread.

....Mas di hamak naman sir Retz na old ang Toyota 1KD-FTV engine ng Fortuner 3.0 D-4D at MAS LALO na ang jurassic na Mitsubishi 4D56 engine na sinalpakan lang ng VGT sa Montero Sport GT-V
....

Both the Forty and Monty share the same engines respectively with the Hilux and Strada....

And by any account, mas bago pa ang Toyota 1KD-FTV engine. It is actually one of the first to set the standards for diesel CRDi engines with VGT/VNT. This is the same engine you see in our current Philippine-issue Fortuner 3.0 D-4D, Hilux 3.0 D-4D and Prado. It came out in 2001 and it was already VGT/VNT equipped way back then.

The OTHER company is actually JUST CATCHING UP what Toyota has laid out before, and bent on projecting to all of us that it is a new engine, that's why there's just so many variants out there for the same pickup and SUV that the company is selling for the Philippine-market haha! ....However, many are swayed to believe. But it is only here in Philippines, not anymore elsewhere, that it was able to do so successfully

Don't you wanna wait for the incoming 2.2-litre or 3.2-litre penta-cylinder all-new 2012 Ford Ranger coming this 1st quarter of 2012?

[ghosthunter]

strada *new vgt engine

hilux *new face lifted

ranger existing

I need an AT, for everyday driving.

I would pick the top of the line models of which.

What are your inputs regarding the said units?

Having driven them, I still prefer the Mitsubishi Strada for one major reason, the more comfortable ride. The engine might be jurassic as some people might put it but the 2.5L variable turbo works and works great for the local conditions and fuel type. The styling isn't bad either because I just love the Strada's external styling which make it look muscular.



The interior of the Strada is a bit less than what you can with the Hilux but it's not that much better/worst than the other. The only reason it might be slightly worst is the acres of black plastic, given the alternative would be faux wood, I would prefer the black plastic any day.

[hinDMaxsiado]

The engine might be jurassic as some people might put it but the 2.5L variable turbo works and works great for the local conditions and fuel type.

Sir mod, medyo bola naman yan sir.... Di ba kakasabi mo lang nito sa kabilang thread?

2011 Mitsubishi Montero Sport
....The ride is comfy but slightly bouncy at higher speeds (exceeding 100kph) on uneven roads. The new 2.5T engine feels SOMEWHAT SLOW to accelerate but actual acceleration numbers say the opposite, it's faster than the Fortuner. Maybe it's the smoother power delivery from the variable turbo engine....

Pare-pareho naman tayong nakaka-manejo ng mga Strada or Triton dito sa trabajo ko, maging Montero Sport or Pajero Sport dito din sa trabajo ko, pero naman sir, paminsan-minsan, umamin naman gaya nang pag-amin mo kamakailan lang hehe

Totoo naman na soft, even anemic, ang Strada power below 2000 rpm. Hahataw lang yan anything above it.... Mas mainam naman 3.0-litre Hilux D-4D kahit saan may hagod from low rpm to mid- to high-rpm lalo na sa mga akyatan.... At hindi bago makina niyan sir, kahit bali-baligtarin natin, 4D56 pa rin yan na sinalpakan lang ng VGT at bago na daw

Besides, it's only macho for some people ---- it is the only pickup out there trying to look every bit modern that it is too slopey, and slopey in a funny way, it's even egg-shaped.... Pangit din ang overall frontal at peripheral visions when you're driving the Strada or Triton, especially at night time and in crowded places.... Kailangan mong lumapit pa sa manibela to see people suddenly crosswing the road at will because the windshield side panels of this pickup are just slopey, but not any worse like the Innova. Mas maaliwalas ang mga boxy-type pickups like the Hilux, Navara, Ranger, DMax, BT-50 where they provide better frontal and peripheral coverage for the driver....

Bilib pa naman ako sa iyo sir dahil isa kang magiting na moderator ;)

[ghosthunter]

Pare-pareho naman tayong nakaka-manejo ng mga Strada or Triton dito sa trabajo ko, maging Montero Sport or Pajero Sport dito din sa trabajo ko, pero naman sir, paminsan-minsan, umamin naman gaya na ng pag-amin mo kamakailan lang hehe

Totoo naman na anemic ang Strada power below 2000 rpm. Hahataw lang yan anything above it.... Mas mainam naman 3.0-litre Hilux D-4D kahit saan may hagod from low rpm to mid- to high-rpm lalo na sa mga akyatan.... At hindi bago makina niyan sir, kahit bali-baligtarin natin, 4D56 pa rin yan na sinalpakan lang ng VGT at bago na daw

Besides, it's only macho for some people ---- it is the only pickup out there trying to look every bit modern that it is too slopey, and slopey in a funny way, it's even egg-shaped.... Pangit din ang overall frontal at peripheral visions when you're driving the Strada or Triton, especially at night time and in crowded places.... Kailangan mong lumapit pa sa manibela to see people suddenly crosswing the road at will because the windshield side panels of this pickup are just slopey, but not any worse like the Innova. Mas maaliwalas ang mga boxy-type pickups like the Hilux, Navara, Ranger, DMax, BT-50 where they provide better frontal and peripheral coverage for the driver....

Bilib pa naman ako sa iyo sir dahil isa kang magiting na moderator ;)

Like I said in another thread, the over-stiff suspension (which threatens to crack my spine with every pothole I drive over during my test drive) is a deal breaker for me if I was buying the the TOYOTA HILUX.

And so what if I am a moderator here? Does it change anything with my driving opinion of the HILUX and STRADA I have posted?

As for the looks, you say it's only macho but looks (or pogi points) does make a difference when it comes to selling the vehicle. IF not, why do we even bother styling cars like the Porsche, BMW, Mitsu EVO, and others? Why do we bother doing aftermarket modifications for looks alone? It is because (whatever you can say) looks does matter.

[hinDMaxsiado]

Like I said in another thread, the over-stiff suspension (which threatens to crack my spine with every pothole I drive over during my test drive) is a deal breaker for me if I was buying the the TOYOTA HILUX.

And so what if I am a moderator here? Does it change anything with my driving opinion of the HILUX and STRADA I have posted?

At least sir, we now know WHY you're suggesting the Strada ONLY BECAUSE you already have an ATTACHMENT to it as an OWNER (or just a ONE-TIME parachutist opinion maker after 1 ride on both pickups, if i may ask????), but not as one that have used both, including other pickups brands, extensively on-and-offroad on a daily basis, Mondays thru Sundays....

Also, you're inputs that the Strada's old 4D56 that is actually just improved with a VGT is new is NOT honest at all ---- Now lemme return the same question you asked me: Does it change my opinion about the Strada and the Hilux in the same way as a member here?

[ghosthunter]

At least sir, we now know WHY you're suggesting the Strada ONLY BECAUSE you already have an ATTACHMENT to it as an OWNER (or just a ONE-TIME parachutist opinion maker after 1 ride on both pickups, if i may ask????), but not as one that have used both, including other pickups brands, extensively on-and-offroad on a daily basis, Mondays thru Sundays....

Also, you're inputs that the Strada's old 4D56 that is actually just improved with a VGT is new is NOT honest at all ---- Now lemme return the same question you asked me: Does it change my opinion about the Strada and the Hilux in the same way as a member here?

I am posting my opinions based on my test drive as one of the evaluators for the annual Car of the Year awards.

To answer your accusation that I am biased because I own one, I do not own a pickup of any sort or model. My answer is my honest UNBIASED answer based on my experience comparatively driving these vehicles. It may not reflect extensive Monday to Sunday driving but even on a short drive, if you know what you want in a vehicle, you can already make useful conclusions for them.

So what makes your biased opinion a better authority of all pickup trucks?

[hinDMaxsiado]

It is because (whatever you can say) looks does matter.

Yeah, i heard yah sir loud-and-clear.... and you just proved my point about you and your idea of good looks ;)

Kaya nga din pala bago na noh para sa iyo sir haha!

[ghosthunter]

Yeah, i heard yah sir loud-and-clear.... and you just proved my point about you and your idea of good looks ;)

Kaya nga din pala bago na noh para sa iyo sir haha!

The concept of "good looks" is as varied as the shapes of clouds in the sky. It is a matter of personal opinion. What looks good to you may look like a pig's ass to another. But in that, it doesn't make one opinion better than the other. It is HOW we handle other peoples opinion that makes us better than one who be-little the opinions of others which do not agree with his own.

Respect is earned, not given.

It is obvious you are biased for the another brand of pickup and it shows too all well.

[niky]

The current Ranger is powerful, has a great transmission and a great LSD. It's a good truck for rough roading, with a long bed and a good payload capacity, but it's not the most comfortable brick to sit on. The rear bench is also pretty bad.

The D-Max, more comfortable, but old-fashioned engine tech and driving dynamics.

The Hilux has improved slightly, but the ride is still jittery and while the 3 liter engine is still good, just four speeds isn't going to cut it against the Ranger, Navara and Strada. The interior is also pretty dated, despite the facelift. Only thing nice I can say about the Hilux besides the good low-rpm push is that the handling is still pretty good.

The Navara has lots of top-end power, but the low-rpm lag is pretty bad. It has the best driving dynamics of the lot (next to the Ranger/BT50) and the ride is pretty good. Aircon is, obviously, excellent, but some owners complain about the compressor clunk. I would have put this on top of the list, but the Strada is almost as good in some ways, better than others, and the one big ace the Navara had over the Strada (power) has been answered by the new engines.

The Strada is the best on-road truck nowadays. The back seat and ride are better than most, while driving dynamics don't suffer much (with the 4x4 model). The transmission is relatively responsive (though I feel the Ranger's AT is more responsive still) and the engine gives you more top-end zing than the Navara while not giving up much bottom-end torque to the Ranger and Hilux. Until the new Ranger comes in (I won't be convinced by the Colorado till I drive it), the Strada is the default choice.

[youknow]

^ agree. Mitsubishi Strada 4x4 is the best choice even though we bought a Ford Ranger 4x4. The ranger is really great to drive but the riding comfort is not that good.

We also ended up choosing on those three trucks. We really want the strada but my mom wants to be unique in our area. So, since there are already a bunch of strada in our place, we didn't end up with it. The second one was the hilux, the only problem when we are buying is the availability and because we can't wait, we ended up with the ranger. But the ranger's torque makes me smile. About the comfort, i don't think so.

If I were given the chance to buy again, I'll pick the Strada.

[dualsim]

^^ if only dmaxsiado's comments are as proper/discreet/prudent as niky's post (like the one above) and not overly condescending and arrogant, he would be revered as highly as few contributors here (both to their opinions and their person)

sorry OT... cant help it... (it would be fun to have him back though ahihi... ahoho)

[12vdc]

Aii, na ban.. Wala na yung Dmax guru natin. Inaantay ko pa naman ang mahiwagang excel file.

He's an authority sa pickups pag dating sa gubat.. Eh most user sa pinas on paved road..
Kaya nga dapat malaman sa TS kung whats his purpose of buying the pickup.

For me, kung people hauler pinaka comfy ang strada but bed space defeats its purpose of being a utility..
and the looks... lalo na yung single cab looks like a fullgrown tadpole. pero subjective nga.

My choice kung stock for stock and best of all worlds, alam na.. 4x4 Navara A/T Tech edition.

[GTi]

Ang init! Grabe! Based on the pickups currently available in our market, I have two picks for two different preferences.

First one. For the single, athletic, youthful and adventurous hippie who likes the great outdoors, has a huge need for speed, carving corners and doing donuts, I would suggest the Ford Ranger 3.0TDCi 4x4. No doubt the best handling pickup currently available, the one with the most low end torque, excellent off road performance and is virtually a submarine in terms of water crossing ability. Yun nga lang, poor ride quality, poor quality interior materials, lacking 2nd row space makes it bad for those with families and those wanting a more sophisticated beast.

Second one. For the urban dwelling guy wanting more cabin space, the tightest turning radius available, the most futuristic and aerodynamic styling and the most number of horses available while screaming at the top end of the tach and speedo to gloat with, the Mitsubishi Strada 2.5VGT 4x4 is the most ideal choice. The downside would be the lesser bed space, poorer offroad performance as compared to the others in this segment, old problems of the 4D56 still present like the tendency to emit black smoke under hard acceleration, and the lack of power before the turbo kicks in.

However, I'd advice the TS to wait a bit. There are several excellent pickups coming in next year that are truly worth waiting for.

[Walter]

^^ if only dmaxsiado's comments are as proper/discreet/prudent as niky's post (like the one above) and not overly condescending and arrogant, he would be revered as highly as few contributors here (both to their opinions and their person)

sorry OT... cant help it... (it would be fun to have him back though ahihi... ahoho)

Finally he's gone, now it's much more pleasant to read the forums without all those charts and facts.

Get the Strada, the ride comfort is a big plus. You'd want to arrive at your destination not feeling like you've driven 300,000 kms hauling equipment from a mine.

There are just some quality issues with the Strada (as with most Mitsubishis) like the uneven height, power door lock, steering column, squeaky rear leaf spring and suction control valve. Not sure if these issues have been remedied in 2011 and 2012 models but all of these are easily fixed under warranty.

[oliver1013]

At this point in time, kahit papano tumitimbang parin sa usapan yung DMAX pag dating sa tipiran at tibay..

[willvill2]

^^ if only dmaxsiado's comments are as proper/discreet/prudent as niky's post (like the one above) and not overly condescending and arrogant, he would be revered as highly as few contributors here (both to their opinions and their person)

sorry OT... cant help it... (it would be fun to have him back though ahihi... ahoho)

dmaxiado's comments showed that he is knowledgeable and experienced about pick ups. It is unfortunate that he chose to argue with the mod bordering on imprudence.

[dualsim]

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are you saying that the only reason for buying a pickup is the tech in the engine???? no matter how pleasant the suspension/ride is, it doesnt matter, as long as the engine is the most current with the highest hp/torque that can carry a mountain? it doesnt matter if it is the most boring looking truck like the dmax (at least for me, and it is subjective... yes, the egg shaped strada looks better for me... as well as the macho navara)??? kahit na sobrang usok na, mas importante pa rin kung sino ang unang naglabas ng VGT at inferior kung sobrang primitive ng engine ng iba?

what will you tell your children kung nauntog sila dahil sa katagtag ng truck mo nung dumaan ka sa hump???

sagot mo: "anak, ok lang yan, kahit may bukol ka, mataas naman ang low-end torque ng truck natin... punasahan mo yang dugo sa ulo mo... baka mauntog at mahilo ka kasi dadaan pa tayo sa minahan mamaya... habang pinupunasan mo yung dugo sa ulo mo, basahin mo itong mga excel files ko at makikita mo talaga ang mga graph ng mga truck natin kumpara sa iba..."

sagot ng anak mo: "papa, bakit yung ibang bata sa ibang truck di dumudugo ang ulo dahil sa tagtag ng truck? papa, nahihilo ako"

sagot mo: "naintindihan mo ba yung VNT/VGT/ABC/ZYX??? tumahimik ka at aralin yang binigay ko sa iyong charts... di kaya ng ibang truck yan... linisin mo yung suka mo ha... kakahugas ko lang ng truck... ahihi ahoho..."

[Starex_Gold]

IMO lang mga ser, kung kukuha ako ng pick-up, priority ko din yung engine technology. Kasi, kung comfort ang iisipin sa pick-up, bakit pa nag pick-up? Sana van nalang or sedan.

Pinaka gusto kong pick-up ngayon yung Navara 4X4 LE, next is Strada GLS Sport-V 4X4. Hilux is also good, medyo off lang yung looks pero ok naman performance.

[dualsim]

that is actually my point... engine tech is only "A" factor... it is not the only factor... if you decide merely on HP and TORQUE and how current the tech of the engine is just like some people, you will surely join AUTO FORUMS and IMPOSE your WILL on others... and place an "ahihi" and "ahoho" at the end of it...

note though, i personally thank dmaxsiado for his knowledge of engines and all including his own "anecdotes" but i dont think it is right to say that other people made an idiotic mistake of buying a certain brand/model just because he thinks that the engine of his preferred brand/model is better and is a more advanced engine BECAUSE engine is NOT THE ONLY REASON for buying a vehicle...

*starex: if i am not mistaken, the president of the club for stradas is a lawyer, some are even doctors and dentists... not all pickup owners bought their pickup for hauling or whatever... some simply like pickups... whether they can use it as a pickup or not.. and we cannot do anything about it...

to continue the story....

anak: papa, dumudugo ilong ko kasi humampas ang mukha ko sa dashboard dahil sa tagtag...
ikaw: anak, ang arte mo... di yan technical data... personal anecdote mo lang yan... ahihi... ahoho...

IMO lang mga ser, kung kukuha ako ng pick-up, priority ko din yung engine technology. Kasi, kung comfort ang iisipin sa pick-up, bakit pa nag pick-up? Sana van nalang or sedan.

Pinaka gusto kong pick-up ngayon yung Navara 4X4 LE, next is Strada GLS Sport-V 4X4. Hilux is also good, medyo off lang yung looks pero ok naman performance.