used Ford Expedition,Volvo

[Egan101]

I used to drive an old Exped 4x4 back in Illinois. Got it really cheap, as the owner has 2 of these gas-gazzling trucks. It's built tough though and you can drive it in snow when needed plus it comes handy when you want to haul a whole lot of stuff. FC is quite bad, 10 miles per gallon during the winter months and 12 miles per gallon during the summer. It can do around 17-18 miles per gallon on long interstate trips. The only problem I have with it is the misfire issues that occur when the season changes (cold to hot, hot to cold) but it's something you can deal with by filling it up with premium gasoline and running it on the highway to burn any unwanted gas deposits in the injectors. However, using it to drive to school is not something I recommend.

[niky]

Its cheap for a reason. Lakas sa gas, unreliable, mahal ang pyesa at madalas masira... Comparatively a 1994 LC80 still sells for a million...

The engine itself is actually pretty good... and engine parts are not an issue.

What's an issue is if you get one with an air suspension... the price of "regular" maintenance for an air suspension is kind of jaw-dropping.

If you know what you're doing, you can convert to steel springs. But that's still added cost where you don't expect or need it.

And then, if you're using it in Manila traffic, there's the extra burden of frequent brake pad changes... the Expedition is a heavy beast, and the brakes feel underwhelming (to be fair, the Suburban/Tahoe are like that too) for the power and size.

Really a poor fit for local conditions. If you lived in the land of gas and honey (America) and had to drive ten people across the state everyday... no problem. Living here, no go.

[lowslowbenz]

^

Yeah, engine, tranny, underchassis wise, the Expedition is robust.

[viper888]

It costs P9000 to convert the rear air suspension to springs.

The parts arent expensive, but just remember.... You have twice as many cylinders as most cars

A spark plug is P300-400 but you need 8 (many fakes around, you have to buy from the casa)
You also need 8 coils
Many liters if oil ( forgot how many exactly, but a non-synthetic oil change is about 4k)
Tranny oil change is 6k
The brakes are about 6-7k a pair (original)
If you live in a hilly area, the gearbox isnt going to last. Thats another 50k at least

The driving difficulty depends solely on where you live and work/study. Just asking, has your son learned to drive yet? He may like the idea of using an expedition to school, but it's challenging to say the least.

It's not unreliable at all, it has never broken down, other than getting home with a collapsed rear suspension (it would still run, its just uncomfortable).

I used an expedition as a coding/horrible weather car in college. Fortunately, the university I studied had a generously spaced carpark that never gets full (because its expensive, I work in Makati now and my parking is cheaper). There are free slots around for taking though, they are parallel parking slots though. More than once I have made a traffic jam putting an expedition into a slot with less than a foot on both sides. If Im trapped in my slot....... I "Study" in mcdonalds with friends.

[jasonub]

Diesel expedition anyone? Someone converts it but it will cost you about 200-250t.. Gas and maintenance problems solved. Air suspension na lang

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[viper888]

Diesel expedition anyone? Someone converts it but it will cost you about 200-250t.. Gas and maintenance problems solved. Air suspension na lang

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Its still going to to get 5km/l in diesel. They claim more, but thats doubtful. It will also be as slow f*ck.A 130hp nissan diesel already struggles in a patrol.... Now imagine an expedition.
It will take about 100,000 kms before you make up the 250k difference

[niky]

Not really that cost effective, unless you already have an Exped you like and want to keep... or if you have an Exped with a blown motor.

I quite fancy the diesel converted (Nissan RD yata) Chateau wagon that one of the old-schoolers at the Ford Club has... imagine a 1970's E150... with Tartan seats.

[lowslowbenz]

250K?

Well, that's the price of another Expedition ...

[crosswind]

The driving difficulty depends solely on where you live and work/study. Just asking, has your son learned to drive yet? He may like the idea of using an expedition to school, but it's challenging to say the least.

actually sir I don't have a son
I'm just asking for opinions or thoughts

[tidus1203]

250K?

Well, that's the price of another Expedition ...

Natawa ako dito!

[funky_monkey]

get a toyota wigo or mitsu mirage or hyundai i10. Let him decide and spend his own money when he is earning his own.

[ACarEnthusiast]

None of the above. When I was in college I had three choices...a 62 Beetle...a souped up stainless owner type jeep or a galvanized locally assembled wrangler. I chose the wrangler for the cheaper fuel and bigger tires... I can park it on islands... no flood can stop me and it was utilitarian. Served me well way past college and shorty a few years afterward when our diesel revo came.

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[tidus1203]

get a toyota wigo or mitsu mirage or hyundai i10. Let him decide and spend his own money when he is earning his own.

+1. Don't spoil the kid...

[funky_monkey]

if you get the exped/volvo. its just the start of more expenses. those cars are at least 10 years old. even if theyve been maintained well, something will break. youll spend on service and parts for a more expensive class of vehicle.

not to mention gas expenses.

[winecoke]

for a college kid to request a Euro or an American gas guzzling SUV, he may have some self-esteem issues. Well, as a parent, you decide, get what he wants and you boost his self-esteem for life or get a cheaper maintenance car and he remains confused with identity crisis. I would get him the Exped or Volvo, I think it's cheaper for his development in the long run

btw, what's with teenagers and yuppies nowadays? recently, I've had 2 experiences (1 in the Fort Parking Area, 1 in Ortigas side streets) with 2 groups of kids checking out my 9-year old Ford Exped. I thought that they were up to something but when I got in to my car, they were smiling at me and one even commented: nice car sir.

maybe it's the generation gap, these kids didn't know that sometime in 2008, the Financial Crisis happened, and Ford owners desperately wanted to disposed their SUVs lol

re your kid, I think it's better now that he realize that what he wants is a mistake. who knows in the future, after experiencing the Exped, he would get strictly hybrids in the future

[winecoke]

It costs P9000 to convert the rear air suspension to springs.

The parts arent expensive, but just remember.... You have twice as many cylinders as most cars

A spark plug is P300-400 but you need 8 (many fakes around, you have to buy from the casa)
You also need 8 coils
Many liters if oil ( forgot how many exactly, but a non-synthetic oil change is about 4k)
Tranny oil change is 6k
The brakes are about 6-7k a pair (original)
If you live in a hilly area, the gearbox isnt going to last. Thats another 50k at least

The driving difficulty depends solely on where you live and work/study. Just asking, has your son learned to drive yet? He may like the idea of using an expedition to school, but it's challenging to say the least.

It's not unreliable at all, it has never broken down, other than getting home with a collapsed rear suspension (it would still run, its just uncomfortable).

I used an expedition as a coding/horrible weather car in college. Fortunately, the university I studied had a generously spaced carpark that never gets full (because its expensive, I work in Makati now and my parking is cheaper). There are free slots around for taking though, they are parallel parking slots though. More than once I have made a traffic jam putting an expedition into a slot with less than a foot on both sides. If Im trapped in my slot....... I "Study" in mcdonalds with friends.

ford suv maintenance is not really that expensive to maintain. sparkplugs are P150 a pop (banawe) x 8, and per ford manual, it's advised to be replaced every 100Km or in my case, every 40k for Philippine setting

Engine oil is not expensive as Ford Motorcraft Synthetic is the cheapest synthetic oil in the market with P400 per liter. Ford Motorcraft Oil Filters are like P350, even cheaper than the HOndas lol

to sum it up, I spend about P2500 per year on maintenance on my Ford Suv. (2000 engine oil + 350 oil filter + 150 change oil in Petron station). Air filters (around P800) are replaced every 20Tkm and Fuel Filters (P1200) every 40Tkm. All fluids are recommended to be replaced every 80Tkm in the manual, but I recently replaced them in the 40Tkm mark (again Phil. setting). All of this done in a gasoline station.

Gasoline is the main expense here but I have managed to keep it at 5-6km/liter regular city driving (bumper to bumper is 3-4km). Just buy the regular stock issued tires and always have the pang-ilalims checked and adjusted to standards. para maayos ang takbo

at 5-6km/liter, I think it's fair enough than say investing for a brand new CUV today like the Foresters, Tucson, Sportage, CRVs that are averaging 6-7km/liter. bale 1km lang lamang nila hehe

Ford Suvs ride comfortably well, and it compared maybe to a Montero solid driving experience on pot holes and our road conditions.

warning though, don't use this as daily drive or your only car. maybe that's why nakakatipid ako coz this is just my coding car or at least 2 times a week ko lang dinadala. I still have a diesel SUV as my harabas car so hehe