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    #11
    so far wla nman saming problem during cold starts. still one click start... well i guess were lucky we got a good unit.

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    #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    That's the thing about D-4D; it's still new tech, therefore it still has a long way to go to prove itself.

    Wala pa ring tatalo sa 4D56...
    Kung sa patibayan i agree wd you.

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    #13
    Quote Originally Posted by IMm29
    Hi number001,
    Funny, my experience with the Innovas was the other way around. When given the test drive on a short strip in Filinvest, Alabang, I felt that the VVTi wasn't cutting it, whereas the D-4D was more responsive. Of course, I would think this was the case coz the strip was basically a series of short straights and curves put together to make a slalom type of a track. I wonder how these same engines would behave on the open road.
    At that temporarily made course at the Fort, speeds of 80kph and above can be easily attained at the striaght. The D-4D felt really restrained even if it is already "pedal-to-the-floor". I believe any speeds below 60 kph or is it 40kph, the D-4D would feel quite sluggish and unbelievably unresponsive (but very tolerable). Unlike the D-4D, the vvt-i is very responsive the very second the pedals are hit. To sum it up, if acceleration (or the feel of it) is very important then the vvti engine tops the bill. As with all else, not considering its recent reliability issues, D-4D is the contender to get.

    Ps: the sales agent who "escorted" both Innova(s) that I drove, declared that "kung arangkada, panalo talaga ang vvti sa D-4D".

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    #14
    If that's the case, why even bother marketing the D-4D, if they claim that the VVTi engine has more torque?

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    #15
    It's generally accepted that diesels are more expensive to maintain but consume less fuel. When the price of diesel started to go up such that it's already less than 2 pesos cheaper than gasoline, drivers were furious. My cousin thought of buying a gasoline Innova instead of a diesel because of this. And considering the demand for better quality diesel for today's high-tech engines like D4-D and CRD-i, I personally believe the VVTi version should be less of a headache.

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    #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    That's the thing about D-4D; it's still new tech, therefore it still has a long way to go to prove itself.

    Wala pa ring tatalo sa 4D56...
    for a car its kind (AUV) i'd pick a diesel... ang diesel andar kung andar...
    kayod kung kayod...MATIBAY!
    i just wonder if this newbie d4d can beat the all-time veteran 4d56 when it comes to reliability?

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    #17
    Round 1: Engine Performance
    According to a test conducted by c! Magazine, the diesel took 16.70 seconds to reach the 100km/h mark while it took the gas variant 15.41 seconds. If the difference does not mean much to you, and if the Innova is going to be used more as a utility vehicle, the torque would come in handy.
    D4D

    Round 2: Gas/Diesel Consumption
    D4D

    Round 3: Maintenance Cost
    Diesel engines can withstand more beating compared to gasoline engines but if the D4D "horror stories" show consistency among the majority of the diesel variants, VVT-i gets my vote.

    Round 4: Engine Quality
    Too early to tell but if the D4D "horror stories" show consistency among the majority of the diesel variants, VVT-i gets my vote.

    Round 5 Resale value
    I'm inclined to give my nod to the diesel variant, but again, if the D4D "horror stories" show consistency among the majority of the diesel variants, expect a drop in the D4D's resale value.

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    #18
    Quote Originally Posted by wilcats
    so far wla nman saming problem during cold starts. still one click start... well i guess were lucky we got a good unit.
    Is it a matter of choice or a matter of luck or both? * Innova G, I guess you're bent on getting the D4D. Well, I wish you luck.
    Last edited by leinahtan; October 29th, 2005 at 05:42 AM.

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    #19
    VVTi vs. D4D is just like gas vs. diesel.
    If you want less noise, less vibration, less smelly fumes, quick accelerations then get a VVTi. It's already a proven engine.
    If you always haul many people, wants a good fuel economy vehicle, but doesn't mind the fumes, noise & a little vibration. Then get the D4D. Althought with the D4D woes. I think D4D still have to prove itself.

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    #20
    Sa sitwasyon na ito gusti ko VVTi kesa D4D. Iwas muna talaga ako sa CRDi dahil sa quality talaga ng diesel dito sa atin. Kaya hanggang ngayon wala pa rin akong kaplano-planong bumili ng CRDi-based vehicle. Pag naayos na lahat, I will get a gas variant na (pero hindi Innova ha hehehehe). Halos parehas na rin kasi ang presyo ng diesel sa gas.

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