toyota hilux 2.5 vnt 2012 or isuzu dmax 4x2 2012

[d_mac]

1st choice ko sir is hilux talaga pero parang ang hirap ng availability nito. pagmatagal talaga ung pila sa hilux baka mag dmax kami, nagdadalawang isip din ako sa hilux dahil sa d4d problem na yan. hehe!

Chief, forget the current D-max. It's been the same pickup since its release in 2007.

2 to 3 years ago it was still quite reasonable to buy one brand-new, but definitely NOT now - You'd be better off with a clunker 2nd-hand or used cheap D-max, i'm afraid, if your family still wants any of them just to take you from point A to B.

It's a different case with me or for any D-max owners who bought them say between years 2007 to 2009 - i'm keeping mine kasi modelong hinDMAXsiado pa rin hanggang ngayon eh haha! :hysterical:

Your case is different though, and you deserve way better. You'd be wasting money, A LOT, if you get the current one now brand-new and then the all-new RT-50 is issued before 2014 next year.

See Top Gear Phils website - look for anything about Isuzu as there is an official statement there by Isuzu Philippines that works are underway to bring the all-new model to Philippines.

Good luck.

Cheers!

[casper357]

May waiting time ang Hilux dyan sa inyo sir? Gaano katagal? Nag inquire kasi ako sa Toyota Dasmarinas Cavite yesterday, longest wait is 3 days depende sa color. Yung Extreme Black or Super Red yung may mahabang wait time. Kapag Lithium (Silver) or Freedom White meron DAW stock agad.

dyan kami kukuha ng unit sa manila sir. ang mahal dito 90k difference ng price. super red panaman kukunin namin.
tanong ko lang sir ha pag freedom white +15k ba?

[dct]

dyan kami kukuha ng unit sa manila sir. ang mahal dito 90k difference ng price. super red panaman kukunin namin.
tanong ko lang sir ha pag freedom white +15k ba?

AFAIK, pearl white lang ang may 15k sa toyota. freedom white is different. no additional

[casper357]

AFAIK, pearl white lang ang may 15k sa toyota. freedom white is different. no additional

mabuti pala kung ganun kala namin yung white my additional. hehe! sa pearl white lang pla. salamat sir
kung merong available na freedom white un na lang kukunin namin.

[arsen]

Sir idol Jut703, hang-on, not so fast ---- Since you stated the word IN GENERAL, are we sure about in general?

Here's yet another proof (2008 Department of Energy's Fuel Economy Run) apart from the 2009 Australian 4x4 diesel pickup comparo posted here earlier: http://www.doe.gov.ph/EE/2008%20Fuel...Pick%20Ups.pdf

Toyota Hilux 2.5 D-4D (102-hp 2KD-FTV) - 19.12 km per litre
Toyota Innova 2.5 D-4D (102-hp 2KD-FTV) - 18.41 km per litre

Mitsubishi Strada 2.5 Di-D (136-hp 4D56) - 18.57 km per litre
Mitsubishi Montero 3.2 Di-D (160-hp 4M41) - 13.05 km per litre

Nissan Navara 2.5 (144-hp YD25DDTi mid-power) - 17.06 km per litre

Isuzu Alterra 3.0 Ddi-iTEQ (146-hp 4JJ1-TC) - 19.44 km per litre
Isuzu D-max 2.5 LT (81-hp 4JA1-L) - 20.57 km per litre
Isuzu Crosswind 2.5 (81-hp 4JA1-L) - 18.03 km per litre

Obviously as can be seen, the generality in your statement is not true at all, in general.... The bigger displacement Isuzu Alterra that comes with relatively more powerful engine compared to the Isuzu Crosswind, Nissan Navara (mid-power model), Mitsubishi Strada (non-VGT), Toyota Hilux (non-VGT) and Toyota Innova sips even less fuel than them all.

But then again, have you heard about the Automobile Association of the Philippines test on the D-max 3.0 Ddi-iTEQ econo-run test that covered 1,844 kilometres in just one-full tank amounting to 76 litres of diesel? That one driven by AAP's Domingo Escarieses in October 2010 posted a fuel mileage of 24.26 km per litre, eclipsing that 20.57 km per litre fuel mileage posted by the D-max 2.5 LT.

Perhaps you just forgot to consider the word TECHNOLOGY when you made the remark IN GENERAL.

Personal anecdotes are good sir Jut073, as long as you can back them up ;)

Cheers!

DOE mentioned they covered 333 kilometers so if we convert the mileage into total fuel consumption the result is as follows.
(Tangalin na lang natin ang Croswind and 3.2 Monty sa list... then let me arrange from lowest consumed daw... para masaya... heheh)

16.19 Liters Isuzu D-max 2.5 LT (81-hp 4JA1-L) - 20.57 km per litre
17.13 Liters Isuzu Alterra 3.0 Ddi-iTEQ (146-hp 4JJ1-TC) - 19.44 km per litre
17.42 Liters Toyota Hilux 2.5 D-4D (102-hp 2KD-FTV) - 19.12 km per litre
17.93 Liters Mitsubishi Strada 2.5 Di-D (136-hp 4D56) - 18.57 km per litre
18.09 Liters Toyota Innova 2.5 D-4D (102-hp 2KD-FTV) - 18.41 km per litre
19.52 Liters Nissan Navara 2.5 (144-hp YD25DDTi mid-power) - 17.06 km per litre

DOE did not mentioned if they measured the fuel temperature inside the tank.
I hope they did dahil kung hindi, bahala na kayo magsabi kung tama ang test nila.

Merong fuel return pipe ang mga fuel system. Kaya meron nyan dahil of course meron bumabalik sa tank.
More pressure - more volume of return.
More pressure - the hotter is the temperature of returned fuel
Kung sakal ang tuning sa injector yet the system uses a generic pump, mas marami ang volume ng returned fuel and mas hotter ang fuel tank.

In every 14 degree Celsius increase in temperature of fuel, meron about 1% increase in volume due to thermal expansion.
We can never be sure how much is the temperature rise in the fuel tank because DOE did not include it in their report.

My estimated range is about 1 to 4% increase in volume.

Wala pang 20 liters ang na consumed ng mga vehicle enumerated di ba? Kung 70Liters ang tank capacity nila, meron remaining na more or less 50 Liters

1 to 4% of 50 Liters is equivalent to 0.5 to 2 Liters increase in volume due to thermal expansion.

It will look like you consumed less fuel when you fill the tank immediately after a long trip but try to top-up again early in the morning when the fuel is at its lowest temperature. You may be surprised.

Kung you are in your highschool years mapagbintangan ka pa at masabihan na "Saan mo na naman inikot ang sasakyan? Bakit bawas ang laman ng tanke eh full-tank daw yan bago mag grahe? (Based on experience to noon meron pa kami fleet of PUJs na graduated kawayan ang level gauge.... hahaha). Glad I can explain it now but no more PUJs... heheh

[d_mac]

Kung you are in your highschool years mapagbintangan ka pa at masabihan na "Saan mo na naman inikot ang sasakyan? Bakit bawas ang laman ng tanke eh full-tank daw yan bago mag grahe? (Based on experience to noon meron pa kami fleet of PUJs na graduated kawayan ang level gauge.... hahaha). Glad I can explain it now but no more PUJs... heheh

Kaya sa iyo lang ako chief eh!

Unfortunately, everything that is liquid is measured in volume, rather than by mass (except perhaps when in comes to Mercury); while the mass or weight stays constant the volume changes in respect to temperature and pressure.

Chief, does a diesel engine's frugality in fuel has something to do as well with the pressure from the rail, aside from the pressure in the tank? Does higher pressure in the rail gives better fuel mileage or no? - although diesel EFi tuning kits like the Racechip Pro, which actually raises up the rail pressure from stock, has quite a positive impact on fuel efficiency....

Cheers!

[arsen]

Kaya sa iyo lang ako chief eh!

Unfortunately, everything that is liquid is measured in volume, rather than by mass (except perhaps when in comes to Mercury); while the mass or weight stays constant the volume changes in respect to temperature and pressure.

Does a diesel engine's frugality in fuel has something to do as well with the pressure from the rail, aside from the pressure in the tank? Does higher pressure in the rail gives better fuel mileage or there's no direct relationship?

Cheers!

Yeah you are right that is on the retail side.
But if you purchase in bulk, the unit price is usually per mass. Or draft (in case of lighterage or MS)

Due to the further development and improvement of fuel system and controllers (ECU), engine frugality is basically a choice. Its an OEM prerogative but mostly dictated by sales people after their "market needs/wants" study.

Isa pa hindi nakakasabay ang transmission system development especially low-cost, high torque, lightweight and high reliability sa development ng engine. Kaya meron bottleneck, most engine fitted with modern system are derated.

If such high power setting engine - modern high torque tranny are combined, the price will be too high. So those are only fitted in premium models intended for market that can afford and willing to shoulder the present and subsequent cost.

[d_mac]

Yeah you are right that is on the retail side.
But if you purchase in bulk, the unit price is usually per mass. Or draft (in case of lighterage or MS)

Due to the further development and improvement of fuel system and controllers (ECU), engine frugality is basically a choice. Its an OEM prerogative but mostly dictated by sales people after their "market needs/wants" study.

Isa pa hindi nakakasabay ang transmission system development especially low-cost, high torque, lightweight and high reliability sa development ng engine. Kaya meron bottleneck, most engine fitted with modern system are derated.

If such high power setting engine - modern high torque tranny are combined, the price will be too high. So those are only fitted in premium models intended for market that can afford and willing to shoulder the present and subsequent cost.

The latest Renault-Nissan developed Nissan Navara 3.0 V6 ST-X (235 hp, 550 Nm of torque ), with out-the-door or drive-away price of A$64,000 for a base-model could qualify in the sub- to premium pickup range then, if there is such labeling for a pickup hehe....


Hay, kailan kaya ako magkaka-BMW X5 diesel haha!

Sige na nga, Crosswind nalang :hysterical:

Cheers!

[toughie_g]

mabuti pala kung ganun kala namin yung white my additional. hehe! sa pearl white lang pla. salamat sir
kung merong available na freedom white un na lang kukunin namin.

Nga pala sir just found out na walang kasamang bed liner yung hilux when you get it, regardless kung anong variant according to the SA. For those in the north, is this true? If yes, bakit hindi malagyan ng toyota ng bedliner eh if they get everything in bulk magiging minimal nalang yung price nun. To think na the bed liner comes standard in a lot of pick ups nowadays.. Hays.

[venrich]

^^ ang alam ko po, bibili ka sa kanila ng bedliner. ang pagkakatanda ko ay 15k ang price ng bedliner. meron din po sa carryboy, mas mura.