SIR,MIT EVO which is faster?

**a.j.** · April 26th, 2006 02:32 PM

evo or bmx? whats next p kaya?

**oldblue** · April 26th, 2006 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by ILuvDetailing

First an Intergra - EVO

now a SIR - EVO comparo

whats next?

EVO vs. Eva. in terms of riding comfort

**wrcastro_ph** · April 26th, 2006 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by oldblue

EVO vs. Eva. in terms of riding comfort

Yan ang magandang comparo.... hahahahh

**orly_andico** · April 26th, 2006 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by niky

Launching an Evo is a no-brainer. Even a poorly launched Evo can cream a well-driven SiR in the 1/4 mile. You dial in launch revs, let go of the clutch, and there's a minimum of wheelspin before the tires grip and you're off. Of course, do a dozen launches like this and you'll destroy the clutch, but that's a given with any powerful AWD (manual Lamborghini's will only take three or four full-power launches before destroying the clutch). I think it was Jay Leno who said that owning a Lamborghini sucks, because anyone in an econobox can beat you at the stoplight. You're too worried about your clutch to actually race anyone from a standing start. (clutch replacement on a Lambo is around 17,000 dollars, I think).

which leads me to a question.. does that mean that cars with DSG-type clutches like the RS6 Audi and even the Bugatti Veyron can destroy their clutches if you floor the throttle too many times? or is a DSG clutch inherently superior to the crude human "launch at 4k and slip the clutch"?

**theveed** · April 26th, 2006 03:26 PM

Therefore, get a Porsche Carrera GT with ceramic-multilayered clutch... Tons of launches without the clutch frying... :D

**niky** · April 26th, 2006 03:32 PM

DSG's should last longer than conventional clutches... I think... but even e-gear Lambos wear down clutches after a while. Strong engines are bad for transmissions, plain and simple. That's why Mercedes is addicted to conventional automatic transmissions, as they can take the tons of torque and horsepower that AMG engines produce.

And that's also why US drag racers prefer sturdy 3-speed ATs to more conventional MTs. With up to and over 1000hp going through the transaxle, not many clutches would last long enough to be competitive.

**orly_andico** · April 26th, 2006 04:00 PM

oo nga ano.. who cares about losses in the slush box when you have 1000hp :D

that slush box would get REALLY hot though.. i think one reason why oldish AT cars here in the philippines have unreliable transmissions is being stopped in drive in traffic all of the time (rather than putting the transmission in neutral).

**yuichi** · April 28th, 2006 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by wildthing

mabibilib lang ako sa EVO pag nanalo na ito ng championship sa WRC...as of now, dehins ako bilib sa EVO.

sa SIR...I think its just a hype (to bring the car selling price a bit higher)

pangit na comparo - SIR vs EVO kasi magkaiba ang engine displacement nila diba?

WRC champ? 4 in a row....they did it from 1996-1999 yta(evo4-6.5) under tommi makinen.

**niky** · April 29th, 2006 02:26 AM

*orly: For drag cars, it's not a problem, as they run once, cool down, and run again. In traffic, well... let's just say I don't let anyone in my family buy a secondhand AT in this country...

I once considered retrofitting an ATF cooler to my AT before... I think all Philippine market cars deserve one.

*theveed: ceramic clutches... mmmhmmm... kaya lang, mahirap daw timplahin sa traffic. And if ceramic brakes are supposed to be noisy, yung ceramic clutches kaya?

**nugundam93** · April 29th, 2006 10:45 PM

mitsu only became manufacturers champ in the WRC for 1998 iirc (or baka 1997, basta evo5 gamit nila). tommi makinen became 4-time driver's champ starting with the evo3 up to the evo6.

dogs daw go crazy with the noise from ceramic brakes? heehehehehehehe.