SIR,MIT EVO which is faster?

**pixelparadigm** · December 14th, 2005 09:58 PM

more OT:
The R34 was discontinued because of the 350Z, and it left a good track record by winning its last JGTCC season. The Skyline will make a comeback in 2006? with the R35.

4G63T on a FF lancer? Di kaya torque steer ang inabot nun? Meron bang 5500rpm rev limiter yung B16 ng SiR? I think launching beyond that RPM only means unnecessary stress to your drivetrain.

**ian_rex** · December 14th, 2005 10:13 PM

5500 rpm?! ay naku sobra naman... a good launch should be at 3000 rpm and without wheelspin if you can manage... sayang kasi ang time kung sa wheelspin lang mauubos.

**nugundam93** · December 14th, 2005 10:19 PM

the r34 was also discontinued with the fact that the trusty RB26 wasn't gonna pass the upcoming emissions standard na rin. forgot the exact details about all the reasons why the r34 went away, pero the rb26 emissions was one of the major ones.

pero the r34 went with a bang naman with the Z-Tune, so that still makes things okay.

and i forgot where i read, dito rin ata, the fastest lap times ng stock r34 GT-R would be from the initial laps. :lol:

pero this is weird...sa best motoring factory fighters featuring the evo8 MR, on a gymkhana, the r34 GT-R did a quicker time around the course, next was the evo8 MR, and last was an impreza WRX STi V-Limited.

**niky** · December 15th, 2005 02:36 PM

Best Motoring always harps on the fact that an R34's best lap is its first. And yes, it would be faster through a gymkhana than an EVO, due to the Mitsubishi's understeer. The Mitsubishi is more of a point and squirt weapon, while the GTR can be muscled around sideways.

Part of the problem with the R34 was emissions, but the whole model line was getting old anyway, and it wasn't making money, since they weren't selling any of the Skyline models outside of Japan. The new "Skyline", which shares architecture with the 350Z, is a much more commercially viable car, and the next GTR will be better marketed than the old one.

Launching an Evo is a no-brainer. Even a poorly launched Evo can cream a well-driven SiR in the 1/4 mile. You dial in launch revs, let go of the clutch, and there's a minimum of wheelspin before the tires grip and you're off. Of course, do a dozen launches like this and you'll destroy the clutch, but that's a given with any powerful AWD (manual Lamborghini's will only take three or four full-power launches before destroying the clutch). I think it was Jay Leno who said that owning a Lamborghini sucks, because anyone in an econobox can beat you at the stoplight. You're too worried about your clutch to actually race anyone from a standing start. (clutch replacement on a Lambo is around 17,000 dollars, I think).

With the SiR, it's also tough to judge the launch right. I've seen a lot of wannabe dragsters burn up their tires and/or clutch on the dragstrip on the way to a pathetic time. It's tough to judge because the launch rpm window is so high up compared to other 1.6 and 2.0 engines (where you just dial in 3-4k and go). If you launch an SiR at 3k, it'll bog like anything, and if you don't slip the clutch right on a high-rpm launch, you'll just be spinning tires.

**pixelparadigm** · December 15th, 2005 05:51 PM

Evo's clutch is a pretty tricky one, if not heavy.

**niky** · December 16th, 2005 12:17 AM

tricky lang naman in traffic... stop... LURCH... stop.... LURCH... :lol:... same with many sports cars.

**pixelparadigm** · December 16th, 2005 12:25 AM

worse... stall an Evo when the stoplight turns from red to green :-D

**squala** · December 17th, 2005 06:23 PM

Does the gymkhana result imply that the R34 is more nimble and agile in the corners than an Evo? If yes, how is this made possible considering the Skyline is a bigger, heavier car?

And oh, a modded AE86 can beat the Nissan in a downhill mountain battle.

**nugundam93** · December 18th, 2005 09:11 PM

niky: ahhh ayun. hehehehee.

squala: siguro just to prove how their high-tech doodads compensate for things :D especially the attesa system.

**zidane21** · December 19th, 2005 01:11 AM

mejo ot:
evo kasi is a 4wd car, civic sir is a front-wheeler kaya mejo hindi sila ganun ka same sa category and performance.

katapat kasi ng evo afaik is subaru impreza and nissan skyline (all 4-wheel drives). specialty ng cars na ito ay rally opinion ko.

civic sir on the otherhand katapat nya is yung other "ff - front engine front wheel drive" rides like lynx rs, corollas, etc.

bmw, euros (like benz, volvos, except the exotic cars) and some american muscles (vipers, mustangs, corvettes) belong naman sa "fr - front engine rear wheel drive" kaya nga iba ang feeling pag euro or muscle car ang drive mo!

exotics(porsches, ferraris, lambos), and f1s belong naman sa either "rr - rear engine rear wheel drive" or "mr - mid engine rear wheel drive" eto ang pinaka-mahirap gamitin pero sila din ang mga pinakamabibilis sa lahat, for "race car or very pro" drivers nga ito ika nga!!