Fortuner 2.5 MT or Montero 2.5 MT

[s1ngk1t]

good day tsikoteers!

ako poy nandito para humingi ng inyong ekspertong opinyon.

the choices are: MS 2.5 (MT) and Fort 2.5 (MT).
ive been driving since i was 18, at lahat po manual drinadrive ko kaya nakahiya man sabihin hindi po ako marunong at never pa nakapagdrive ng AT tranny.
at kung bakit MT din po ang choices ay sa kadahilanang once a month pumupunta kami sa family house namin at ang daan ay ganito:


([SIZE=2]google image pero ganito din yung daan e[/SIZE])


ngayon eto po dapat kong iconsider:

durability - dahil nga minsan rough road ang daan
suspension - yun po sanang matibay at yakang yaka ang rough road namin.
FC -?
driving comfort -?
and
maintenance -?

any input is very much appreciated guys.

or any other suggestion?

: by the way if there's an existing thread comparing these two please post it here, wala po kasi ako mahanap e. salamat ulit.

[renzo_d10]

Iyong montero eh VGT ba? Hmmm.

Anyways, I'd go with the Fort. Looks > Power pa din ako ...

[chua_riwap]

tama yan. M/T
hwag kang kukuha ng Montero A/T.......

[niky]

Montero 2.5 MT is better than the Fort 2.5 in every way. At least until the facelifted Fort with new engines gets here.

[s1ngk1t]

*RENZOD10 - VGT na rin ba yung 4x2MT ng MS? sorry noob here.
*CHUA - TAMA
*NIKY - kelan ba dadating yung new FORT? iba na rin ba engine at hindi na d4-d? may nasilip kasi akong thread dito na d4-d problem e pero diko pa tapos basahin. haha!

salamat guys.

[renzo_d10]

Di ko rin alam, eh ... Teka, check ko ....

[renzo_d10]

Okay, di pa pala siya VGT.

Anyways, Fortuner pa rin ako.

[turboride]

Medjo masagwa yung itsura ng cambio ng MT Fort. Kasing haba ng sa jeep. But if you choose to get the Fort, i guess it would not matter.

Never driven Montero off-road but I am assuming wala naman pinagkaiba. Overall, overwhelming ang advantage ng Montero in terms of features, power and performance but personally, I went the other way because I never felt I needed all of them. The 2.5 gives you sufficient power from 0 - 120 . After that, it probably takes the same time to get to 150. Pero any of the two, in my opinion, delikado na sa 150. Baka mag tip over pag nakasagasa ng bato. I am also not a fan of too much technology in a car. Dadami pa ang pagawain. Kaya nga mas gusto ko pa manual AC kaysa climate control. What I wish I had though was the GPS/DVD HU. Bibilin ko na lang I guess.

Of course, both are not perfect. Pareho silang may stalling issues. Masmatagtag ang Fort. etc.

What I appreciate about this SUV is its good insulation. May pagka delikado sa simula in some sense kasi tahimik sa loob. You would not even hear the wind against the windshield at high speed. At Neutral, hindi mo masyado dinig yung engine. And unlike some diesel SUVs, you do not feel the vibration of the engine at standstill. This is true even for old Forts. And this is something you will appreciate pag long driving. Yung tagtag naman ng Fort is sa small uneven bumps. On all Express Ways with the exception of Star Toll, very steady naman.

[turboride]

And one more thing, try asking a Fort 2005 owner kung may pinalitan na sila sa suspension. Unless nag upgrade sila, a big percent would probably say na wala pa silang pinalitan. One reason pala why I got this car. Taking the D4D issue out of the equation, matibay. Better yet, try driving a 2005 CRV, XTrail and Fort and compare responsiveness, kalampag or anything wear and tear would bring about.

[digitalron]

For MT, Montero has the 2.5 GLX 4x2 and 2.5 GLS 4x4, both of which ar enon-VGT. The Montero VGTs are all AT. with the terrain you are traversing, I recommend the 4x4 variant, especially when it gets slippery during the rainy season.

Between the MS and Fort, I'd select the MS for now as it is has higher power and torque than the Fort, and looks newer too since the Fort is like a circa 2005 vehicle (in fairness... my X-trail also looks like a circa 2005 vehicle, so there hehehe!).

And... you don't need to apologize for never having driven an AT. Being able to drive an MT is loads better than being able to drive only an AT. Switching from MT to AT is much, much easier than coming from AT then switching to MT.

[chua_riwap]

And... you don't need to apologize for never having driven an AT.
Being able to drive an MT is loads better than being able to drive only an AT. Switching from MT to AT is much, much easier than coming from AT then switching to MT.

& this i would agree 1000%........
meron dyan, since sa AT natuto, AT lang kaya, di makapag-drive ng MT.

[s1ngk1t]

keep it coming guys.

*TURBORIDE - yes sir hindi naman pangkarera kaya ok na kahit 130 pa max speed. hehe! importante kaya niya kaming isakay boung pamilya (me,wifey,2 kids, yaya, baka kasi madagdagan pa yung 2 kaya 7 seater dapat. hahaha)
*DIGITALRON - yung terrain ba na kalagay sa picture hindi ba kaya ng 4x2 lang sir? i more noob question, same ba PMS/Maintenance cost sa 4x2 at 4x4 MS MT?

[emms1121]

Kung ganyan ang terrain kayang kaya na ng 4 x 2 yan. No need sa 4 x4 di naman babaon gulong mo. My vote is for Fort here.

[niky]

I know of quite a lot of Fort owners, actually... who've changed suspensions...






Because they wanted a softer ride.

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I've driven both 2.5 MTs back to back. The Fort handles a bit better, but the stiffness makes it less sure-footed on rough surfaces. The first generation Fortuner was so stiff, in fact, that it was dangerous in the wet or at high speeds, as the bouncing rear wheels could lose traction too easily. The new suspension tuning is like the Everest... a bit too stiff on sharp bumps, which still makes it uncomfortable, and a bit too loose on heaves and bigger bumps, which leads to poor wheel control at highway speeds over poor roads.

The Montero is a bit more steady and controlled at speed. It's soft, but the matching of springs and shocks is better, so body roll and body movement are steady and predictable, more so than in the Fortuner or the Everest.

The Montero has a better gearshift. The Fortuner's gearshift is long and truckish and notchy.

The 2.5 Montero engine is much better than the current D4D 2.5... which offers no power below 2k and no power above 3k rpm. The Montero isn't that great at low rpms, but there's more power there, and at 3k+, it's got a good bit of punch. The next generation D4D 2.5 should get more power, but the updated Fort is not going to come out here until late this year or early next...

The interior of the Montero looks better. It feels better. The seats are more comfortable. It's almost* as good as a modern crossover inside. The Fort's facelift can't come soon enough. The plastics are iffy, the seats are damn hard (thin, brittle foam) and the AC practically howls to deal with our local climated.

The only problem is the Montero's suspension is tuned more for ride comfort than cargo... but that's an easy aftermarket fix, get better shocks and add something like LoadPlus. Fixing the Fort's ride through aftermarket parts is more of a hit-or-miss affair. I've ridden one Fortuner that rode very well (very well for a Fort... stiff but controlled), but the guy mixed-and-matched parts from two different suppliers to achieve that ride.

Oh... and the Montero's brakes feel a bit weak. But this is true, to some extent, for the Fortuner and Everest, too.

*almost as good: duh... the Santa Fe and Sorento are twenty times better than any of these ladder frame fossils... ...but if you're going out to the farm every now and then, you'll want a ladder frame truck...

[digitalron]

keep it coming guys.

*TURBORIDE - yes sir hindi naman pangkarera kaya ok na kahit 130 pa max speed. hehe! importante kaya niya kaming isakay boung pamilya (me,wifey,2 kids, yaya, baka kasi madagdagan pa yung 2 kaya 7 seater dapat. hahaha)
*DIGITALRON - yung terrain ba na kalagay sa picture hindi ba kaya ng 4x2 lang sir? i more noob question, same ba PMS/Maintenance cost sa 4x2 at 4x4 MS MT?

Actually, a 4x2 should be able to traverse that, so that would save you around 200K on the 4x2 option instead of 4x4 option on the MS. As for maintenance, there should be very little difference in the maintenance cost of a 4x4 versus 4x2 of the same vehicle model if you don't use the 4x4 option often, though since I've never owned both a 4x4 and 4x2 versions of the same model, I am not 100% sure on this.

[turboride]

very technical, informative and convincing. like i said, overwhelming advantage to the montero. how about yung cabin insulation sa noise and vibration, nicky? what is your observation? is this true for the fort or its just me?

[sm2by]

The reason why the Fortuner is so easy to rollover because its based on the Hilux which is really rollover prone.... The driver in the video below died, RIP for him (if he only bought an L200 Strada)
***WARNING*** Graphic Video (Passenger Ejection, Seatbelt Failure)
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZF8N9NItHI]YouTube - ‪Toyota Hilux fails the Moose test‬‏[/ame]

The Montero is based on Mitsubishi's Dakar Desert Rally Vehicle, so handling wise you're safe....

[chua_riwap]

but what about the D4D problems?
is it already solved?

[niky]

very technical, informative and convincing. like i said, overwhelming advantage to the montero. how about yung cabin insulation sa noise and vibration, nicky? what is your observation? is this true for the fort or its just me?

Insulation is okay, nothing great, nothing terrible... engine vibration is muted in the cabin, though the gear shift lever shakes like Shakira.

As for rollover, the Montero would probably roll over given enough provocation, but it washes out into gentle understeer if you provoke it, and the gradual body roll in corners prevents the tires from "biting" in and causing a sudden tip-over. Still... in ANY of these cars, it's best not to perform sudden and drastic maneuvers... sharp turns are NOT safe in any tall SUV.

EDIT: Don't know about the "D4D" issue... seeing as it's died down, either the new Denso pump is better, or it really was the first formulations of low-sulfur diesel here that were causing the issues... though it crops up from time to time...

[Ry_Tower]

but what about the D4D problems?
is it already solved?

La pa ata, di gaya ng sa Mitsu na pinalitan na SCV ng mas malaking part. P14-15K din ata yan kapag nagloko, mahal!