Fortuner 2.5 MT or Montero 2.5 MT

[s1ngk1t]

La pa ata, di gaya ng sa Mitsu na pinalitan na SCV ng mas malaking part. P14-15K din ata yan kapag nagloko, mahal!

sorry pero may stalling/choking problem din ba ang MS? enlighten me please.

[Ry_Tower]

good day tsikoteers!

ako poy nandito para humingi ng inyong ekspertong opinyon.

the choices are: MS 2.5 (MT) and Fort 2.5 (MT).
ive been driving since i was 18, at lahat po manual drinadrive ko kaya nakahiya man sabihin hindi po ako marunong at never pa nakapagdrive ng AT tranny.
at kung bakit MT din po ang choices ay sa kadahilanang once a month pumupunta kami sa family house namin at ang daan ay ganito:


([SIZE=2]google image pero ganito din yung daan e[/SIZE])


ngayon eto po dapat kong iconsider:

durability - dahil nga minsan rough road ang daan
suspension - yun po sanang matibay at yakang yaka ang rough road namin.
FC -?
driving comfort -?
and
maintenance -?

any input is very much appreciated guys.

or any other suggestion?

: by the way if there's an existing thread comparing these two please post it here, wala po kasi ako mahanap e. salamat ulit.

Get the M/T Montero and then change the turbo to VGT.hehe

Puwede naman yun ata. If not, buy racechp para sa addt'l power.

[Ry_Tower]

sorry pero may stalling/choking problem din ba ang MS? enlighten me please.

More of stalling ata. Sa SCV din yun. Pero corrected na daw. Better check the Strada/MS thread and post there also.

[s1ngk1t]

*RY_TOWER. thank you for your help.
btw, "buy racechip for add'l power" hindi ba void warranty nun?

[renzo_d10]

The reason why the Fortuner is so easy to rollover because its based on the Hilux which is really rollover prone.... The driver in the video below died, RIP for him (if he only bought an L200 Strada)

Well, doesn't mean that your car was based from a Rally vehicle you're safe at all.

Sharp turns at high speeds is a definite NO-NO for vehicles with high clearance such as the Montero and the Fortuner. Probably you're a bit safer with the Santa Fe or the Sorento. But that's a different story.

Anyways, you can rollover too on a Montero.





I think this guy was hit by a taxi at the side then it turn turtled.



Point is, don't take corners as if you're driving a my-bumper-is-kissing-on-the-ground sedan ...

[niky]

I don't know if the Racechip can be programmed for that sort of customization, but since it's a plug-and-play system, most likely (99%) not, same with the dpchip and other plug and play programmers. Only stand-alone aftermarket engine computers and comprehensive piggybacks will work.

You can't just swap turbos... the stock ECU needs to know what to do with the new turbo and how to control the variable vane system. It's possible you can jury-rig some sort of system with a Unichip (as it has multiple accessory maps that can be used for nitrous, additional injectors, misters and even variable valve activation), but that will be added expense, tuning and wiring time and complication, and you will still have to find a way to plumb the oil lines to the new turbo, as it's different from a regular turbo... then there's the sensors on the turbo, additional actuators, etcetera...

It's not quite as simple as swapping out a single scroll turbo for a bigger single scroll turbo...

[s1ngk1t]

I know of quite a lot of Fort owners, actually... who've changed suspensions...






Because they wanted a softer ride.

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I've driven both 2.5 MTs back to back. The Fort handles a bit better, but the stiffness makes it less sure-footed on rough surfaces. The first generation Fortuner was so stiff, in fact, that it was dangerous in the wet or at high speeds, as the bouncing rear wheels could lose traction too easily. The new suspension tuning is like the Everest... a bit too stiff on sharp bumps, which still makes it uncomfortable, and a bit too loose on heaves and bigger bumps, which leads to poor wheel control at highway speeds over poor roads.

The Montero is a bit more steady and controlled at speed. It's soft, but the matching of springs and shocks is better, so body roll and body movement are steady and predictable, more so than in the Fortuner or the Everest.

The Montero has a better gearshift. The Fortuner's gearshift is long and truckish and notchy.

The 2.5 Montero engine is much better than the current D4D 2.5... which offers no power below 2k and no power above 3k rpm. The Montero isn't that great at low rpms, but there's more power there, and at 3k+, it's got a good bit of punch. The next generation D4D 2.5 should get more power, but the updated Fort is not going to come out here until late this year or early next...

The interior of the Montero looks better. It feels better. The seats are more comfortable. It's almost* as good as a modern crossover inside. The Fort's facelift can't come soon enough. The plastics are iffy, the seats are damn hard (thin, brittle foam) and the AC practically howls to deal with our local climated.

The only problem is the Montero's suspension is tuned more for ride comfort than cargo... but that's an easy aftermarket fix, get better shocks and add something like LoadPlus. Fixing the Fort's ride through aftermarket parts is more of a hit-or-miss affair. I've ridden one Fortuner that rode very well (very well for a Fort... stiff but controlled), but the guy mixed-and-matched parts from two different suppliers to achieve that ride.

Oh... and the Montero's brakes feel a bit weak. But this is true, to some extent, for the Fortuner and Everest, too.

*almost as good: duh... the Santa Fe and Sorento are twenty times better than any of these ladder frame fossils... ...but if you're going out to the farm every now and then, you'll want a ladder frame truck...

very helpful review, thanks NIKY.
if you dont mind me asking, kulumnista kaba sa car magazine?
para naman makabasa pako ng magaganda mong review.
more power to you sir.

[sm2by]

Well, doesn't mean that your car was based from a Rally vehicle you're safe at all.

Sharp turns at high speeds is a definite NO-NO for vehicles with high clearance such as the Montero and the Fortuner. Probably you're a bit safer with the Santa Fe or the Sorento. But that's a different story.

Anyways, you can rollover too on a Montero.





I think this guy was hit by a taxi at the side then it turn turtled.



Point is, don't take corners as if you're driving a my-bumper-is-kissing-on-the-ground sedan ...

Well at least the Safety Cage held its structure even with the full weight of the Montero on its Roof Pillars....

Unlike the unsafe Fortuner, it's roof crushes too much possibly causing fatal injuries to the occupants....



Personally for me I wouldn't put my loved ones in a Fortuner.... sa Landcruiser nalang :D

[renzo_d10]

Well at least the Safety Cage held its structure even with the full weight of the Montero on its Roof Pillars....

Unlike the unsafe Fortuner its roof crushes too much possibly causing fatal injuries to the occupants....



Personally for me I wouldn't put my loved ones in a Fortuner.... sa Landcruiser nalang :D

Probably, malakas pag-ikot nung Fortuner kaya ganyan. Tingin ko dun sa Montero eh nabunggo lang ng malakas ng taxi then na out of balance ika nga tapos naganyan. ohwell, isa din siguro point natin. Never go fast on curves ...

Syempre naman, tignan mo price difference ng LC sa Fort. :hysterical:

[gundam]

get the montero m/t or...

Okay, di pa pala siya VGT.

Anyways, Fortuner pa rin ako.

if you like fortuner, get the one above with vnt/vgt.

i assume tapos ka na sa innova[diesel] vs fort m/t.
the reason i don't like fort 2.5m/t is that it share the engine with innova [smaller brother] and in highway traffic the innova will kick your butt. kainis kasi kung iisipin mo mas mahal yung fortuner 2.5 m/t na binili mo tapos lusotan ka lang ng mga innova. haha.

[Starex_Gold]

I still love the looks of the Fortuner pero Montero Sport is better parin in terms of performance and features, yeah features.

I'd also suggest you to get the GLS 4X4 M/T. That variant is around 1.5M pero sulit naman pang-off road at farm. It's better to have the 4X4 feature even you don't need it much than not to have it when you really need it. Ganyang variant yung kinuha namin noon, ok siya pang-harabas.

[turboride]

damn. kudos to everyone for an objective and un-fanboy review of these two cars. unless of course somebody goes and screams 'third world' which is by the way an outdated connotation. fact is montero outclasses fotuner in many aspects. but as you can see in may car comparison threads, these 2 cars get the most attention. sales figures and proliferation of these cars on the road are a testament to its popularity. we could say that while there are better cars on paper, people patronize the montero and the fortuner because of perception. and perception is an underrated criteria for buying. for most buyers this overrides technical advantages of one car over the other. you can charge it to ignorance or lack of access to this kind of media where even the slightest of flaws are exposed, or they simply dont care whether one car out performs or exceeds the features of another. pero fact is these 2 are still the most marketable.

to the TS, my point is, you will never go wrong with either. personally, i have bought many items in my life that i regret buying. but this one, despite what i read, i still find hard to regret. not because it cost 1.something mil but because i really cant feel any regret. you have the correct choices in this price range and category. good luck, pare.

[kutangbato]

get the montero m/t or...


if you like fortuner, get the one above with vnt/vgt.

i assume tapos ka na sa innova[diesel] vs fort m/t.
the reason i don't like fort 2.5m/t is that it share the engine with innova [smaller brother] and in highway traffic the innova will kick your butt. kainis kasi kung iisipin mo mas mahal yung fortuner 2.5 m/t na binili mo tapos lusotan ka lang ng mga innova. haha.

naka VGT narin ba ang fortuner facelifted?

[niky]

very helpful review, thanks NIKY.
if you dont mind me asking, kulumnista kaba sa car magazine?
para naman makabasa pako ng magaganda mong review.
more power to you sir.

Bigbigcar.com, Ride and Drive magazine... Contribute editorials here and there elsewhere, but not often.

[s1ngk1t]

damn. kudos to everyone for an objective and un-fanboy review of these two cars. unless of course somebody goes and screams 'third world' which is by the way an outdated connotation. fact is montero outclasses fotuner in many aspects. but as you can see in may car comparison threads, these 2 cars get the most attention. sales figures and proliferation of these cars on the road are a testament to its popularity. we could say that while there are better cars on paper, people patronize the montero and the fortuner because of perception. and perception is an underrated criteria for buying. for most buyers this overrides technical advantages of one car over the other. you can charge it to ignorance or lack of access to this kind of media where even the slightest of flaws are exposed, or they simply dont care whether one car out performs or exceeds the features of another. pero fact is these 2 are still the most marketable.

to the TS, my point is, you will never go wrong with either. personally, i have bought many items in my life that i regret buying. but this one, despite what i read, i still find hard to regret. not because it cost 1.something mil but because i really cant feel any regret. you have the correct choices in this price range and category. good luck, pare.

yun ang maganda sir, hindi yung pataasan ng ihi at hindi naman nakakatulong yung ganun sa mga nandito na gusto magpatulong diba?

[s1ngk1t]

Bigbigcar.com, Ride and Drive magazine... Contribute editorials here and there elsewhere, but not often.

thanks for sharing sir NIKY

[Lapella]

Let's start this again since may VNT na yung 2.5 Fort.

[jut703]

Fortuner 2.5G vs Montero Sport GLX-V?

Hmm. The Montero has the better engine, is cheaper, has more interior space (esp. the 3rd row), a more interesting interior. Add to that the hideous tail lights of the Fortuner, and it seems like a one-sided affair.

However, the upgraded engine of the Fortuner might be better on the road than it is on paper, effectively narrowing the gap between it and the MS. Also, now that they're both dime a dozen on the road, the Fortuner simply looks more appealing.

Pretty close call, but maybe I'd go with the Fortuner.