nissan navara brute or isuzu dmax lt 4x4

[d_mac]

For the past dozen or so pages puro kasi yung 3.0 na high tech engine ang pinagtatalunan eh. Tapos nothing useful from the Isuzu website.

The Navara also uses a detuned version of its engine but still making a respectable 144 horsepower naman.

And Isuzu has the guts to priced the LT (with steel wheels, no power windows, no power locks, 80 hp engine) against the Brute with at least some power features and at least some semblance of engine power?

YUP chief OTEP, madami frustrated sa Isuzu kung pag-uusapan ay Isuzu Philippines mismo.... Honestly nga sir, kahit we've always been (predominantly, not all) an Isuzu family, still we find our lineup choices sa Pinas frustrating, especially when you know and have driven the Isuzu's offered in other countries.

The Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Laos, Vietnam, Burma, even Singapore, mistulang dumping sites ng mga luma or low-end Isuzu brands.... And unless one really knows the (Philippine-issue) Isuzu that he's buying, like what you mentioned, the difference between the DMax LT 4x4 that is mated with the 3.0 4JJ1-TC commonrail diesel and the D-max LT 4x2 mated only with the old 4JA1 engine, he will really be disappointed upon learning later on na pang-Crosswind lang pala makina ng 4x2 low-end ng D-max. May kilala kami na nangyari sa kanya yan - pina-test drive ng agent ng Isuzu ay 3.0 D-max 4x2 LX. Nang nagustuhan niya unit, sinabi ng agent sa kanya meron din silang LT na 4x2, kinuka naman niya without even test-driving it thinking that 3.0-litre din ang makina at di naman sinabi ng agent tsk tsk tsk ....Ayun sir, laking disappointment niya after just a while.

Gaya din ng ibang buyers ng dating Toyota Fortuner 2.5 D-4D na non-intercooled at non-VGT din makina noon, nagbayad sila ng PhP1.4M tapos nalaman nila na ka-makina lang pala ng Innova D-4D hehe.... Again, hindi din sinasabi ng mga agents sa mga buyers

Malaki din ang hinala namin sir na ang all-new D-max na ibibigay sa Pinas ay malamang 2.5-litre 4JK1-TC with single VGT ang makina, at hindi yung D-max with the updated 3.0 4JJ1-TCX ang makina hehe.... Ito ang nakikita ko ngayon ini-issue ng Isuzu sa iilang SE Asian countries na malapit sa Thailand. Ito ay may power lang na 136 hp with 320 Nm torque from 1400-2400 rpm, at walang 3.0-litre kundi sa Thailand lang, Australia, New Zealand at South Africa. Pagtatawanan lang ito ng mga bagong Hilux 2.5 D-4D with VGT, Colorado Duramax 2.5 with wastegate turbo, Strada 2.5 VGT at Ranger 2.2 TDCi with VGT ahahay pag itong D-max na ito ang pinarating ng Isuzu Philippines

Cheers!

[d_mac]

for that alone, I'd go for the brute. But I have to say that the DMax has been a promising names among pick ups. Lahat na ng pick up lumabas still ang isuzu walang pang bagong feature at nakakasabay naman sa bagong mga models ng ibang companies. Naka ilang palit na ang Hilux pero ang DMax ganun parin.

BTw I have to comment this na ung suspension reliability ng DMAX ay superb compared sa iba. Mas matibay at mas matatag pagdating sa lubakan.

Ma'am Aylaisabelle (of Top Gear Phils. ), all the while i thought you were a 1st timer sa pickup as you've always impressed sa mga questionnaires ninyo ma'am (or sir na ngayon) hehe sa TG Phils wink! ;)

Yes po, matibay pang-ilalim kung matibay (matagal ng 8 din po ang cross-members ng chassis ng Isuzu, kahit ng hindi pa inaangkin ng Chevrolet ngaun ito sa publicity nito sa Colorado as having 8-cross members samantala nakuha lang ito sa Isuzu hehe).... Matibay po suspension pero ubod din po ng tagtag lalo na yung mga pre-2010 model D-max. Ganon din po ang mga non-VGT at non-commonrail Hilux 2.5 D-4D noon at Hilux 3.0 D-4D, ubod din po ng tagtag until recently din po, nag-improved din po around 2011.

Kung well-suspended po ang hanap na pickup and not your daily "workhorse" truck, mas maganda po suspension ng Navara at Strada. Yung mga bagong Ranger po at Colorado they still remain to be seen.

Cheers ma'am!

[d_mac]

4x4 D-Max LT gets the 4JJ1, while the 4x2 gets the 4JA1. Here's the specs link from Inteco (lowest part indicates the LT). Isuzu D-Max Specifications | Inteco Philippines

Personally, for a pure workhorse pickup, the D-Max is still the better choice. It makes similar top end power as the Navara but has much better low end grunt. I'd imagine, like our VGT Strada, the Navara is quite lifeless below 2000rpm.

It's known to be that way naman sir GTi, the D-max engine is NOT designed as "free-revving" and for high-top end power. The engine is also a long-stroke diesel engine, typical na pang-truck talaga hehe

Even when it doesn't make the highest torque number by paper, maganda talaga low-end ng 3.0 4JJ1-TC wastegate turbo D-max even when the turbo is not yet opening up (by seat of pants feel) anywhere below 2000 rpm. And then the torque extends all the way to almost at the top-end rev, that's why even when you're at >3000 rpm then relaxing the accelerator pedal to 1400 rpm, the pull is always there, there is absolutely NO LAG. Matipid pa sa lahat sa consumo ng diesel mapa-walang karga at lalo na sa kargahan at akyatan compared sa iba.... But it doesn't make the highest horsepower, mahina ang D-max sa dulo ng rpm lalo na kung bilisan o karera pag-uusapan hehe

For a lot of Pinoys, especially those who live in the metros or the typical "city boy", there is a lot to wish from the D-max. Those who are after comfort, speed in highways and roads, and modern non-boxy type pickup they will never even look into the D-max as an option - sa tagtag ba naman haha! ....Only the traditional pickup users who are after "utilitarian" use would go for the D-max or Hilux 3.0 D-4D, though the latter has a wider demographics of car followers, from the typical city-dweller to anyone that lives in far-flung areas.

Cheers!

[GTi]

Tama. But I have driven the D-Max IPV. Even with the Crosswind engine, I find it a much better product. NVH is better than the Crosswind. Interior bits and switchgear are also of higher quality than the Crosswind's Fuego-era parts. Black smoke is also much lessened as compared to brand new Sportivo's with no plates still and with huge black billowing clouds even when driving slowly. I only ever see black smoke when driving at high rpm (IPV has no tach) in 2nd gear. It was once apprehended by an ASBU in Makati, and obviously it failed.

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Tama. But I have driven the D-Max IPV. Even with the Crosswind engine, I find it a much better product. NVH is better than the Crosswind. Interior bits and switchgear are also of higher quality than the Crosswind's Fuego-era parts. Black smoke is also much lessened as compared to brand new Sportivo's with no plates still and with huge black billowing clouds even when driving slowly. I only ever see black smoke when driving at high rpm (IPV has no tach) in 2nd gear. It was once apprehended by an ASBU in Makati, and obviously it failed.

This is my question regarding isuzu 4ja1 engine, kung lahat ba ng isuzu vehicles with 4JA1 engine, palinyahin natin at apakan accelarator, magkakaiba ba yung emissions nila?

Kasi dun sa isang nabasa ko, nagsasabi na sportivo lang daw, now here yung IPV parang ok naman, kung sa arangkada and lets assume na mas mabigat ang payload ng sportivo sa IPV, chances are mas uusok ng maigi ang sportivo.

Pero let us take this objectively, same engine, same year release but different vehicle models, apakan accelerator at neutral, iba iba or parepreho ang usok?

[GTi]

This is my question regarding isuzu 4ja1 engine, kung lahat ba ng isuzu vehicles with 4JA1 engine, palinyahin natin at apakan accelarator, magkakaiba ba yung emissions nila?

Kasi dun sa isang nabasa ko, nagsasabi na sportivo lang daw, now here yung IPV parang ok naman, kung sa arangkada and lets assume na mas mabigat ang payload ng sportivo sa IPV, chances are mas uusok ng maigi ang sportivo.

Pero let us take this objectively, same engine, same year release but different vehicle models, apakan accelerator at neutral, iba iba or parepreho ang usok?

^Perhaps it is the matic tranny? Most of the Crosswind's I see smoke belching are A/T variants.

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^Perhaps it is the matic tranny? Most of the Crosswind's I see smoke belching are A/T variants.

Nope, di naman yan sa automatic transmission ang cause, kasi as I mentioned, gawin yung testing habang naka neutral.

I think nasa sudden rpm demand ang cause ng usok ng 4JA1, kapag binigla mo ang 4JA1 na makina, yun na yung bubuga na maitim na usok, dahil magaan ang kaha ng mga base models, hindi masyado mataas na rpm ang kailangan para umarangkada ito compared sa XUV and sportivo.

[d_mac]

^Perhaps it is the matic tranny? Most of the Crosswind's I see smoke belching are A/T variants.

Chief, mausok din ang manual-tranny ang 4JA1 sa Crosswind. Hindi pa ako nakasubok ng D-max IPV personally pero hinala ko lang na ganyan din halos power characteristic nito mala-Crosswind din lang hehe since parejo lang na 4JA1 makina

[d_mac]

Nope, di naman yan sa automatic transmission ang cause, kasi as I mentioned, gawin yung testing habang naka neutral.

I think nasa sudden rpm demand ang cause ng usok ng 4JA1, kapag binigla mo ang 4JA1 na makina, yun na yung bubuga na maitim na usok, dahil magaan ang kaha ng mga base models, hindi masyado mataas na rpm ang kailangan para umarangkada ito compared sa XUV and sportivo.

YUP, mausok chief ang 4JA1 Isuzu as experienced sa lumang Crosswind XT manual. Ganoon din ang Mitsubishi 4D56 na nasa Adventure (na na-trade in na for an Innova) at ang 4D56 na nasa Monterosport, BASTA piniga mga yan kahit neutral pa, mausok lahat sila

Heto ang mga mauusok basta piniga silinyador whether in idle or engaged mga manual gears nila as owned, driven and experienced:

1. Crosswind 4JA1 (base model 1990's engine)
2. Adventure 4D56 (base model 1986 engine)
3. Monterosport 4D56 (base model 1986 engine)
4. Strada 4D56 (base model 1986 engine) - as used sa work sites toegther with Hilux'es, a Fortuner and D-max'es

Ang Innova D-4D naman, ganon din basta piniga lalo na sa rektahan, may lumalabas din na usok, pero hindi gaya ng 3 naka-itemised.

Cheers!

[GTi]

^That's right. But with the case of not a few Sportivo A/T's I've encountered, they were smoke belching even while running in city streets at a very tame speed of less than 40km/h and not even accelerating at all! Take note that they do not even have plates yet!

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Ito paps dinig ko lang sa mga buy and sell, mas mabilis raw mag blow by yung mga 4JA1 na de turbo compared sa hindi nakaturbo na 4JA1's.

And comparing ata mga diesel engines na old schools, isa rin daw ang 4JA1 sa madaling mag blow by.

Baka paps yung usok ay dahil na rin sa turbo and sa mga automatic, kahit walang acceleration pa, kailangan talaga apakan yung accelerator to reach a certain rpm para mag shift yung transmission.

[d_mac]

^That's right. But with the case of not a few Sportivo A/T's I've encountered, they were smoke belching even while running in city streets at a very tame speed of less than 40km/h and not even accelerating at all! Take note that they do not even have plates yet!

YUP, that's why hindi lang Crosswind with the base model 1990's 4JA1 ang mausok.... MADAMI diyan, at maliban pa sa base model 1986 4D56 na nasa L300, Adventure, Montero, at Strada, babagsak din ang 2.8-litre 4M40 na nasa Pajero sa listahan. Apakan lahat yan ng arangkada, usok talaga mga yan sir GTi

I have yet to test the 2.5-litre 4JA1 D-max pero wala akong curiosity na dito sa totoo lang, knowing how 2.5-litre diesel performs kahit naka-VGT pa mga iyan hehe.

[GTi]

I've seen all sorts of smoke belching 4D56's be they N/A, turbo, intercooler turbo, DI-D or DI-D VGT. Though I have to remark that I never personally saw any black smoke when driving our Strada, even with a heavy foot. If there was black smoke, it was definitely unnoticeable from the rear view mirror. Even with the 1983 (if I remember correctly) 2L engine in our Revo, I've never seen black smoke again after a calibration session round 20tkms ago. But none of these come even close to the smoke belching Crosswind's. Hindi pa nga kailangan apakan ng arangkada! I am really at a loss at why the D-Max is so much less susceptible to smoke belching than the Crosswind. Perhaps there is a different tranny or exhaust system that I don't know about?

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I've seen all sorts of smoke belching 4D56's be they N/A, turbo, intercooler turbo, DI-D or DI-D VGT. Though I have to remark that I never personally saw any black smoke when driving our Strada, even with a heavy foot. If there was black smoke, it was definitely unnoticeable from the rear view mirror. Even with the 1983 (if I remember correctly) 2L engine in our Revo, I've never seen black smoke again after a calibration session round 20tkms ago. But none of these come even close to the smoke belching Crosswind's. Hindi pa nga kailangan apakan ng arangkada! I am really at a loss at why the D-Max is so much less susceptible to smoke belching than the Crosswind. Perhaps there is a different tranny or exhaust system that I don't know about?

Baka same yan paps sa production ng mga semiconductor devices, yung mga 2nd class units, nilalagay sa crosswind. Yung mga pasok ang specs sa quality control nila, yun ang mga pang pickup nyehehehehe....

Kasi paps, yung sa transmission, wala effect yun kasi from idle pa lang, mausok na daw talaga.. Pwede sa exhaust system nila, pero di ganyan kadali para magmodify nyan, sa dami ng particulates emission gn 4JA1, magbabara kaagad kung may filtration system sila sa exhaust hehehe..

[d_mac]

I've seen all sorts of smoke belching 4D56's be they N/A, turbo, intercooler turbo, DI-D or DI-D VGT.

YUP boss GTi, good thing you're HONEST about it hehe

The 4M40 2.8-litre from the former Pajero is not even mentioned yet as to its smoke belching ;) ....and YES, that's why sa Pinas, madami talaga babagsak sa emission standards, lalo na pag Euro 3 and up na tayo hehe.

Bigay mo sa akin si Strada mo sir, pakita ko paano mo siya pausukin ng todo hehe, suking-ski mga yan sa amin sa usok dito ;)

I am really at a loss at why the D-Max is so much less susceptible to smoke belching than the Crosswind. Perhaps there is a different tranny or exhaust system that I don't know about?

The 4JA1 engined D-max should smoke as it has the Crosswind engine ahihi.... I'd be surprised if it won't as you mentioned that it seemed less susceptible to billow out smoke. Paapak mo rin sa akin sir and let's find out, uusok din yanhehe ;)

Cheers sir!