Mazda3 1.5V Sedan vs. Honda Civic 1.8E (2017 models)

[Egan101]

Link to the model on the PH website of VW please... I really can't find it

The VW-PH is not yet updated but it shows on the main screen the teaser for the new Jetta (#ReturnofTheJetta) and Golf GTS wagon (#RocketWagon). TopGearPH and CarGuidePH has a feature article showing the pics of the new Jetta and Golf GTS wagon, as well as the pricing for the model lineup (starting from 1.1M to 1.4M). All Jetta and Golf variants will be powered by a 2.0L TDI (turbo diesel, 150hp, 340Nm) engine paired with 7-speed automatic dual-clutch (DSG) tranny.

It would be best just to go to VW-BGC to see the display units. Trust me, the VW cars look much better on the flesh. Our family has a 2016 Jetta 1.6L TDI DSG and a 2016 Civic RS 1.5L turbo. The new Civic feels cheap against it (body, interiors, features) with the exception of the turbo petrol engine.

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/car-n...ef=home_feed_3

Volkswagen PHL Aims to Slay the Compact Car Competition with 217 Jetta, Golf GTS | ************ - Philippine Car News, Car Reviews, Car Features, Car Buyer's Guide and Car Prices.

[Janemar]

The VW-PH is not yet updated but it shows on the main screen the teaser for the new Jetta (#ReturnofTheJetta) and Golf GTS wagon (#RocketWagon). TopGearPH and CarGuidePH has a feature article showing the pics of the new Jetta and Golf GTS wagon, as well as the pricing for the model lineup (starting from 1.1M to 1.4M). All Jetta and Golf variants will be powered by a 2.0L TDI (turbo diesel, 150hp, 340Nm) engine paired with 7-speed automatic dual-clutch (DSG) tranny.

It would be best just to go to VW-BGC to see the display units. Trust me, the VW cars look much better on the flesh. Our family has a 2016 Jetta 1.6L TDI DSG and a 2016 Civic RS 1.5L turbo. The new Civic feels cheap against it (body, interiors, features) with the exception of the turbo petrol engine.

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/car-n...ef=home_feed_3

Volkswagen PHL Aims to Slay the Compact Car Competition with 217 Jetta, Golf GTS | ************ - Philippine Car News, Car Reviews, Car Features, Car Buyer's Guide and Car Prices.

This was my dilemma this month, features ng RS and jetta di nagkakalayo but the biggest turn ON for me is the look of the RS, power and smooth cvt tranny(important for my daily stop and go traffic grind which the dsg hates.)

Jetta design is okay but boring for me compared to RS. Plus since Honda will sell civic sedan again in Japan, surplus/bnew parts availability is not a problem compared sa VW. Parang if you go to banawe, kaliwat kanan parts ng Honda, engine, body panels, transmission, front cut shell, etc.
^^this will help resale value and ease of maintenance in long run...

[Altwegg]

The Golf GTS Wagon truly is a beauty in the flesh. Checked them out at both BGC and Sheridan. The only thing I see going against it is the sunroof design. Where with Subarus and other brands, you have a solid piece of thick paperboard (?) to slide under the sunroof during the day, the Volkswagen only have a curtain type of material separating you from the sunlight. I think this will not be good for Philippine conditions, and some of their sales staff have already lost sales because of this particular feature.

Back to the topic of OP, I would go for the Civic as it is a "newer" body, and (I may be wrong here) is less underpowered than the Mazda. Also, I do not like the rear seating of the Mazda where the doors rise up and obstruct passenger view.

[niky]

Honestly, no modern 1.5 can be considered truly underpowered, nowadays.

The Mazda3 1.5 is slower to 100 km/h than the 2.0, but it has a six speed gearbox with very short gear ratios. It's peppier around town than the Civic 1.8 or even the old Civic 2.0... it has a crawl-tastic first gear for those crazy Makati parking ramps and Baguio side streets... and since it's a torque converter matic, you won't be burning the clutch packs (as on a dual clutch or dry CVT) while hanging on a hill at a stoplight.

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The Mazda3 is relatively light for its class, and the 1.5 is relatively torquey for a 1.5. No problems at all with power, except if you're trying to overtake at over 80 km/h going up Kennon road...

[jut703]

Honestly, no modern 1.5 can be considered truly underpowered, nowadays.

The Mazda3 1.5 is slower to 100 km/h than the 2.0, but it has a six speed gearbox with very short gear ratios. It's peppier around town than the Civic 1.8 or even the old Civic 2.0... it has a crawl-tastic first gear for those crazy Makati parking ramps and Baguio side streets... and since it's a torque converter matic, you won't be burning the clutch packs (as on a dual clutch or dry CVT) while hanging on a hill at a stoplight.

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The Mazda3 is relatively light for its class, and the 1.5 is relatively torquey for a 1.5. No problems at all with power, except if you're trying to overtake at over 80 km/h going up Kennon road...

When I drove the Mazda 3 1.5 on a mountain road, it felt a lot like a Jazz - so-so low-end, but loves to rev and needs to rev to generate good power. Agree on the short gearing from 1st to 3rd to make the most out of the limited power, though it only really comes alive after 4500 rpm. Not something I'd call torquey though - the R18 (in all iterations, FD, FB, and FC) feels peppier especially when loaded, as well as the Altis 1.6.

Definitely good enough for most drivers, but other cars in the same price range offer more power if that's your thing.

Is the Mazda 3 really lighter than the competition though? It comes in at 1,240 kg, same as the bigger Civic and just 25 kg lighter than the CVT Altis.

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[Walter]

Careful Jut ... MarcYaptinchay will come back to haunt you ...

What's up with that guy? ... He forgot to take his meds? ...

[mqavila]

This was my dilemma this month, features ng RS and jetta di nagkakalayo but the biggest turn ON for me is the look of the RS, power and smooth cvt tranny(important for my daily stop and go traffic grind which the dsg hates.)

Jetta design is okay but boring for me compared to RS. Plus since Honda will sell civic sedan again in Japan, surplus/bnew parts availability is not a problem compared sa VW. Parang if you go to banawe, kaliwat kanan parts ng Honda, engine, body panels, transmission, front cut shell, etc.
^^this will help resale value and ease of maintenance in long run...

I visited VW BGC earlier. You're right, the Jetta exterior design is a bit boring and plain. But the interiors are really nice. I was impressed with the dashboard, the leather seats and the sunroof. Most of these are not included in the 1.8E Civic model. Gave me something to think about. I'm just not certain about VW's ability to provide good after-sales service though.

[Egan101]

I visited VW BGC earlier. You're right, the Jetta exterior design is a bit boring and plain. But the interiors are really nice. I was impressed with the dashboard, the leather seats and the sunroof. Most of these are not included in the 1.8E Civic model. Gave me something to think about. I'm just not certain about VW's ability to provide good after-sales service though.

You just need to check how Honda BGC or the rest of the Ayala-owned Honda dealerships provide their after-sales services. The local VW dealership is owned and operated by the Ayala automotive group together with Honda, Isuzu Genmotors, and KTM.

[mqavila]

The longer it takes for my agent to provide me with a unit, the more I end up thinking of other alternatives. Now, I'm thinking if it's worth also considering the Innova E.

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[arvs18]

The longer it takes for my agent to provide me with a unit, the more I end up thinking of other alternatives. Now, I'm thinking if it's worth also considering the Innova E.

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Or try checking the updated Volkswagen Jetta 2017

Not as flashy as the civic in terms of exterior design. But it's not ugly either, for me it looks classy

[mazedonian]

Hi guys,

I'm currently in the market for a sedan and am torn between the Mazda3 1.5V Sedan and the Honda Civic 1.8E. I've tried to list down the pros (and cons) of both cars below:

Mazda3 1.5V Sedan
- priced lower at P998K (as opposed to the Civic at P1.103M)
- free maintenance for 3 years (or 60Tkms)
- built-in GPS Navigation (opposed to Civic not having a GPS-ready head unit)
- built-in backup sensors (opposed to Civic's dealer option)
- leather trimmings on dashboard and center console
- IMHO more refined dashboard and center console

Honda Civic 1.8E
- bigger (wider and longer than Mazda3)
- new model (as opposed to Mazda3 being roughly 2 years old already)
- daytime running lights
- smart key with remote engine and cooling system start

Which one would you guys pick? Please help! Thanks in advance!

Go with Mazda 3 for the great driver experience. The company focused on the driver-car connection. Honda Civic for passenger and rear space.

[jut703]

Go with Mazda 3 for the great driver experience. The company focused on the driver-car connection. Honda Civic for passenger and rear space.

It's not like the Civic doesn't drive nicely. It can take corners just as quickly as the Mazda can.

The advantage of the Mazda is that it has better steering feedback and it's a smaller car so it feels more agile to drive. The 6AT is also more fun compared to the boring CVT, but the CVT is faster (not to mention the 30 hp difference between them). Between feeling fast and going slow vs going fast and feeling slow, I'd take the latter especially if I'm overtaking with a truck coming the other way.

As a driver's car, the Mazda 3 still tops the compact car class. But overall I'd still say the Civic 1.8E is a better all-rounder than the Mazda 3 1.5V. More power, more space, more features, better resale value, wider dealership network.



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[mqavila]

Thanks for the feedback guys! As bro jut703 probably knows, I opted for the Civic 1.8E. Very satisfied with the car.

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[jut703]

Thanks for the feedback guys! As bro jut703 probably knows, I opted for the Civic 1.8E. Very satisfied with the car.

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Congrats again bro. Great to see you happy with your choice. 👍

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[se7ven11]

How about Mazda 3 2.0 Sedan vs Honda Civic 1.8E (2017 models)?

[Egan101]

How about Mazda 3 2.0 Sedan vs Honda Civic 1.8E (2017 models)?

The Mazda3 2.0L is more expensive, around 300k more. It has a more powerful engine though compared to the Civic 1.8E. The Civic is bigger inside.

If you're willing to spend more for the Mazda 2.0L, you might as well consider the Civic RS 1.5L Turbo.

[jut703]

The Mazda3 2.0L is more expensive, around 300k more. It has a more powerful engine though compared to the Civic 1.8E. The Civic is bigger inside.

If you're willing to spend more for the Mazda 2.0L, you might as well consider the Civic RS 1.5L Turbo.

Actually, the Mazda 3 2.0R is just 1.248M, or just 145k more than the Civic. It's pretty good value considering you get 25 more hp, 18" rims, leather seats, a sunroof, paddle shifters, and better handling.

Trade-off is the smaller space, inferior dealer network, less tech (no Android Auto, Apple Carplay, remote start, etc).

Both are great cars at appropriate price points.

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[robbie26]

In terms of longevity, which car would perform better after 10 years (assuming they are both well maintained following the prescribed method by the dealers).

[dr. d]

In terms of longevity, which car would perform better after 10 years (assuming they are both well maintained following the prescribed method by the dealers).

perhaps the question should be, "which is more expensive to maintain?"

[robbie26]

perhaps the question should be, "which is more expensive to maintain?"

I guess short-term advantage is with Mazda due to the 3-year free maintenance. But for long-term (say 5-10 years), people usually get PMS outside casa once warranty is gone. So is it safe to assume that cost would be almost the same?

Going back to my question though, assuming both cars are well maintained (either via casa or talyer), which one would perform better after 10 years? I guess my general concern is the quality of the car (body, engine, etc.) beyond the usual ownership period of 5 years.