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    In terms of engine, mostly yes but when it comes to outer features imo it’s not.

    but in the case of the civic SIR, naka sisi talaga.

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    I agree sir. Parang minor facelifts lang kasi ang nangyayari. Case in point, crosswinds and adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTO View Post
    In terms of engine, mostly yes but when it comes to outer features imo it’s not.

    but in the case of the civic SIR, naka sisi talaga.
    What about the SiR... because it had no follow up model in the RP?
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    hmmm well supposedly a new model is designed to iron out the kinks or strengthen the weaknesses of its predecessor. so in theory, it should always be better. but i guess it's not always the case especially in the looks department since it's highly subjective. maybe car makers will also try to shave off some amenities or lessen the quality of non-essential parts to save on costs. but personally, from an engineering/technical standpoint, the newer model is better than its predecessor, but it will not necessarily sell more or be as successful. and of course, there's the emotional attachment to older models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xto
    but in the case of the civic SIR, naka sisi talaga.
    Ummmm... the SIR has no "direct" predecessor since Honda Phil. didn't introduce here the Si versions of the subsequent Civics.

    Quote Originally Posted by AG4 View Post
    What about the SiR... because it had no follow up model in the RP?
    +1 on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AG4 View Post
    What about the SiR... because it had no follow up model in the RP?
    Diba they had the FD Civic 2.0 MT for a while? Except that was a total flop. Demand was far lower than expected (nakinig kasi sila HCPI sa forums, which is like 1% of the total car market) and they had to sell the cars at substantial discounts just to get them moving, and then took the car off market completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Kamiya View Post
    Diba they had the FD Civic 2.0 MT for a while? Except that was a total flop.
    The 2.0 Civic with a M/T is far from being an SiR replacement.

    This is the current equivalent of the old 160PS 1.6 liter Civic SiR(sold in some markets as the Si)
    The new Civic Si with a 200PS(197hp) 2.0 liter engine.
    As far as I know, currently its only sold in North America and Brazil.

    (PS: There are some Si coupes sold here by Standout Motors for P1.9M+)

    New cars are better than there predecessors in some areas.
    Sometimes they adjust to what the market wants...
    less sporty, but more practical... or less sporty but more luxurious etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AG4 View Post
    What about the SiR... because it had no follow up model in the RP?
    yes kaka hinayang talaga and all because of it's b-16 DOHC engine compared to newer 1.8 S and V that comes only in SOHC. on the other hand the 2.0 S-L DOHC is sold only with an a/t
    Last edited by XTO; January 9th, 2008 at 10:06 AM.

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    It depends which car we're talking about. A long time ago, I distinctly remember going to Toyota Paseo de Roxas and my parents being majorly underwhelmed with the AE111 Corolla when we sought to replace our AE101. Disappointingly it was a LOT smaller than the outgoing car.

    and of course, there's the emotional attachment to older models.
    +1 here.

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    It's mostly emotional.

    Newer cars are almost always stiffer than the previous model and are usually bigger. In other words, handling is more secure and seating is more comfortable. It's only in the application of the ancillaries that the new models suffer... cheaper plastics to save money... softer suspension to woo the grandma market... enginesthat are too small for the new weight... etcetera...

    But given the same power new models are often much faster around the race track than the outgoing model, and are often easier to drive.

    Doesn't mean I'm going to trade in the Lynx, yet...

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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