How to spot difference between real vs replica Civic SiR

[GTi]

Hehe~ That would be LXi or VTi converted to look and/or run like an SiR bro.

Meron kaming SiR sa pamilya nuon from 2000-2005. It preceded our 2005 Accord 2.4. Kulay orange yun. Never got to drive it though, didn't know how to drive yet then. It had stock internals but with a body kit and big exhaust. My drag racing uncle used to borrow it for "karera" or bring it out of town. He commented that it feels quite unstable on high speeds due to the very low body weight. He had been able to sustain around 210km/h with that car. Said that's about as much as the engine would give.

[niky]

That would be the aero. Too much lift at speed on the stock car.

210 km/h is easy. Get on the SCTEX or NLEX and 220 km/h is possible.

Of course, my heavy-ass RS has better aerodynamics, so it can hit nearly 230...

[ghosthunter]

That would be the aero. Too much lift at speed on the stock car.

210 km/h is easy. Get on the SCTEX or NLEX and 220 km/h is possible.

Of course, my heavy-ass RS has better aerodynamics, so it can hit nearly 230...

.... and if it does achieve that speed, hold it too long, the engine blows up. And if you do manage to keep your engine in one piece, you'll still need to pour in a liter of motor oil.

LOL!

[lowslowbenz]

200+ kph in those cars??? ... Balls of steel eh?

[beni23]

200+ kph in those cars??? ... Balls of steel eh?

Oh my golly great balls of fire! 200kmh+ on that car???


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[niky]

.... and if it does achieve that speed, hold it too long, the engine blows up. And if you do manage to keep your engine in one piece, you'll still need to pour in a liter of motor oil.

LOL!

I'm probably the only member of the RS 220+ km/h club who hasn't blown a motor... yet.

[GTi]

That would be the aero. Too much lift at speed on the stock car.

210 km/h is easy. Get on the SCTEX or NLEX and 220 km/h is possible.

Of course, my heavy-ass RS has better aerodynamics, so it can hit nearly 230...

Yup! Too bad there was no SCTEX then, and the NLEX was not yet rehabilitated.

Running the old highways at 200+ with a car that weighs just slightly above 1000kg is plain scary!

[jut703]

How bad is it for a car to run at sustained speeds of 200 kph and up?

[beni23]

Naalala ko yung nabasa ko dati na natanggal yung makina sa body ng sasakyan. That was at Libis ata. Sir un diba?


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[vinj]

How bad is it for a car to run at sustained speeds of 200 kph and up?

Depends on what car. Some are really built to run at those speeds all day long, on the autobahn.

Naalala ko yung nabasa ko dati na natanggal yung makina sa body ng sasakyan. That was at Libis ata. Sir un diba?


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I've seen pics of two such incidents. The one in the Valle area and that one in Davao earlier this year.

[lowslowbenz]

Depends on what car. Some are really built to run at those speeds all day long, on the autobahn.

Technically, its not the speed that counts, its the RPM.

[vinj]

Technically, its not the speed that counts, its the RPM.

And thus displacement and gearing comes into play once more?

[lowslowbenz]

And thus displacement and gearing comes into play once more?

Yup.

Seriously, how long can one last at 200+ kph, in an SIR? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? Or a few seconds, just long enough to claim bragging rights? At that speed, inside that car?

Its borderline suicide! Remember what the W140 S280 of Lady Di looked like after it crashed at high speed? That was a car way much bigger than an SIR.

[niky]

High speed when you're all alone on a long, straight road means that when you crash, you only kill yourself.

High speeds on crowded roads, as Princess Di's driver did, is just plain irresponsible.

How bad is it for a car to run at sustained speeds of 200 kph and up?

Depends on the gearing, the power and the cooling system. If the car is pinging off the redline at 200 km/h, then don't expect it to be happy if you do that for more than a few minutes. I know RS owners who've blown their motors from doing 200 km/h plus runs too often without checking their engine oil. Many engines eat oil (even if they're in perfectly good health) at high rpm. I also know Honda B16 owners who've blown their engine on the racetrack due to sustained high-rpm use. Just because the motor can theoretically rev to over 7000 rpm all day long doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so!

If it's a big V6 or V8 with long, lazy gearing, then 200 km/h is a cakewalk.

What you should be concerned more about, however, is the condition of your brakes and tires. Prolonged high speed running can cause tremendous heat in the tires, and if they're in poor condition or underinflated... or worse, both... you could experience a catastrophic blowout. Brakes tend to get hot with heavy use, as well. Not fun running over 160 km/h and feeling all hydraulic pressure go away as your brake fluid starts to boil.

This is what happened to that 4AGZE powered Corolla that crashed (three dead) many years ago on C5. Met the owner and father of the driver. They'd just finished the swap and the boy stole the keys. Stock brakes plus lots of speed plus stupid kids... deadly combination.

[ghosthunter]

How bad is it for a car to run at sustained speeds of 200 kph and up?

Depends on the car's weak points at 200kph+ speeds.

In Niky's RS, it was the engine experiencing oil starvation and oil consumption issues.

In my Project Sentra SR20, it was cavitation in the water pump at high rpms (last 1000rpms of the engine before redline) resulting to insufficient coolant water flow leading to potential overheat with extended/sustained high speed runs. Theoretically, I could cruise at 210kph all day ... below my 220kph vmax.

In my Lancer EX 2.0 GLS ... I didn't find any issues except for the artificial limiter at 20kph.

In my ASX 2.0 GLS ... so far I have not reached 200kph.... 195kph pa lang fastest ko.

[Brennt]

differences that i noticed between vti and sir

1. Rims
2. Chrome door linings for vti
3. Sidings
4. Leather Steering Wheel for SIR
5. Engine
6. Door Mouldings (body colored for SIR)
7. Gauges
8. Grill
9. Seats
10. strut bar on SIR

[vinj]

Yup.

Seriously, how long can one last at 200+ kph, in an SIR? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? Or a few seconds, just long enough to claim bragging rights? At that speed, inside that car?

And don't forget to take pictures so you can post it on the net.

I also know Honda B16 owners who've blown their engine on the racetrack due to sustained high-rpm use. Just because the motor can theoretically rev to over 7000 rpm all day long doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so!

If you read the B16 build project in SCC before, and several magazines were given Civic Si units to modify within a budget and emission specifications for the purpose of being thrown at several performance/track tests. Paul Tracy sent two or three of the cars home on a flat bed or with blown cylinders if i recall correctly.

What you should be concerned more about, however, is the condition of your brakes and tires. Prolonged high speed running can cause tremendous heat in the tires, and if they're in poor condition or underinflated... or worse, both... you could experience a catastrophic blowout. Brakes tend to get hot with heavy use, as well. Not fun running over 160 km/h and feeling all hydraulic pressure go away as your brake fluid starts to boil.

This is what happened to that 4AGZE powered Corolla that crashed (three dead) many years ago on C5. Met the owner and father of the driver. They'd just finished the swap and the boy stole the keys. Stock brakes plus lots of speed plus stupid kids... deadly combination.

As the basics with mods go, you can never get enough suspension and brakes... I remember that accident and if i recall, Glennster also knew the guy involved.

[Egan101]

What other alternatives aside from the Civic SIR with B16? The Lynx RS was already mentioned. Will an Accord with an H22 or Civic EK with a K20 be able to match up to the Civic SIR?

[vinj]

^Sentra with an SR20

[Egan101]

^Sentra with an SR20

Forgot about that, like maybe a B13 with an SR20. Hehehe...do you still have a Nissan ride, sir Vinj (like in the good old days of NB)?