Fuel Efficiency Thread

[ice15]

Starting this thread for articles / comparisons (local car's fuel efficiency)

Most fuel-efficient 7-seater vehicles in the Philippines | AutoDeal

Midsize SUVs

Toyota Fortuner - 30 points
Ford Everest - 27.4 points
Isuzu mu-X - 26.8 points
Mitsubishi Montero Sport - 24.7 points
SsangYong Rexton - 23.5 points
Nissan Terra - 23 points
Chevrolet Trailblazer - 21 points

Large SUVs

Ford Expedition - 15 points
Nissan Patrol Royale - 14 points

Compact crossover

Honda CR-V - 34.3 points
Chery Tiggo 8 - 25 points

Midsize crossover

Hyundai Santa Fe 31.2 points
Kia Sorento - 29 points
Mazda CX-9 - 19.3 points

MPVs

Suzuki Ertiga - 30.2 points
Honda BR-V - 29.8 points
Suzuki XL7 - 29 points
Mitsubishi Xpander - 27 points
Toyota Innova - 26.7 points
Geely Okavango - 24.5 points
Maxus G50 - 23 points
Honda Mobilio - 21.8 points
Toyota Rush - 21 points

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(From a guy got 7km/L highway driving from a Mirage G4 )
Fuel Efficiency depends on the driver, hence please refrain from posting "I made XXkm/L on my XXX"

[dr. d]

medyo mabusisi.

"what on earth does 'points' mean?"
do we have to consult a codigo, to tell us how many km a 1000 peso load of fuel will give us?
heh heh.

my 96 centavos' worth.

[ice15]

medyo mabusisi.

"what on earth does 'points' mean?"
do we have to consult a codigo, to tell us how many km a 1000 peso load of fuel will give us?
heh heh.

my 96 centavos' worth.

From the article:

The fuel efficiency numbers on the list will be based on the reviews that we have of the vehicles and will be tallied in terms of points for their respective fuel economy numbers. This means that if a vehicle gets 8 km/L in the city and 16 km/L on the highway then it gets a total of 24 points. In the event of a tie, the vehicle with the higher city fuel efficiency number will take the win. If there are two variants of the vehicle tested, then the model with the higher fuel efficiency figures will be considered. This will better represent what the vehicle is capable of in terms of giving you the best mileage for as little fuel as possible.

[dr. d]

by the same token,
5 km/li in the city and 19 km/li in the highway also gets 24 points...
as does does 10 km/li in the city and 14 km/li in the highway.

[ice15]

Ilang beses ko din binalikan yung article, wondering why the Accent Diesel was not included...

we have below is a list of the most fuel-efficient sedans we’ve tested

Most fuel-efficient sedans for city driving in the Philippines | Autodeal

[dr. d]

Ilang beses ko din binalikan yung article, wondering why the Accent Diesel was not included...



Most fuel-efficient sedans for city driving in the Philippines | Autodeal

they qualified it with, "...the cars we've tested...".
they did not say, "the cars available in the market".

also, perusing the link,
all the cars mentioned are gas-fed sedans.
although the altis hybrid seemed out of the water, as it's a... hybrid.
they did not include the non-sedans, i.e., the mini hatches... wigo, mirage, celerio, eon...

questions arise regarding that article's intentions...

[ar_kane]

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alas!
not a single mention of km/li or fuel efficiency...
i suppose, folks who go off-roading, do not have fuel efficiency in mind.

[ice15]

Minsan naisip ko...

yung mga car reviewers kaya like Caco, James and Reygan (etc)

since they review cars and drive almost everyday, mas matipid kaya talaga sa gas kung sila nag drive?

kasi sa Honda City ko na lang... best F/C na nakuha ko sa 20km/l (super effort yun)
pero real world highway driving is 13-15 tapos 10km/l sa Metro Manila.

yung NMAX ng officemates ko, best they can get is 35km/l sa city, pero reviewers are saying higher "real world" figures

[17Sphynx17]

Minsan naisip ko...

yung mga car reviewers kaya like Caco, James and Reygan (etc)

since they review cars and drive almost everyday, mas matipid kaya talaga sa gas kung sila nag drive?

kasi sa Honda City ko na lang... best F/C na nakuha ko sa 20km/l (super effort yun)
pero real world highway driving is 13-15 tapos 10km/l sa Metro Manila.

yung NMAX ng officemates ko, best they can get is 35km/l sa city, pero reviewers are saying higher "real world" figures

Problem is the FC they say in their review is not via Full Tank method. They just rely on the digital FC reading average. Most of them don't even bother to mention the average speed of the trip of how they obtained the said FC reading. While some simply "pass the message" of the marketing materials pertaining to the FC of the car.

If it was via full tank method, the reviewer would have said that as the method they used to get the FC mentioned. But it would be really difficult as well to expect them to give full tank method for a city driving FC scenario and a highway/mixed FC Scenario that would be repeatable for all vehicles they test unlike Bjorn Nyland for his electric range test, Alex on Autos for his daily trip to and fro his house or TFL when they do the highway hill climb and descent FC test.

[janjanjan]

I bet they do not idle their engines in the parking lot

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[ice15]

Problem is the FC they say in their review is not via Full Tank method. They just rely on the digital FC reading average.

pero with the cars I've tested/borrowed/rented.

digital FC vs full tank method, halos +/-1km/l lang difference ko.

kaya nagugulat ako sa claims sa 20+ kms/l "real world" ng local car reviewers.

[dr. d]

Minsan naisip ko...

yung mga car reviewers kaya like Caco, James and Reygan (etc)

since they review cars and drive almost everyday, mas matipid kaya talaga sa gas kung sila nag drive?

kasi sa Honda City ko na lang... best F/C na nakuha ko sa 20km/l (super effort yun)
pero real world highway driving is 13-15 tapos 10km/l sa Metro Manila.

yung NMAX ng officemates ko, best they can get is 35km/l sa city, pero reviewers are saying higher "real world" figures

it depends on how the review-er did it.
some will rely on the instrument cluster's computerized read-out.
some will come up with their own figures, based on maneuvers only they will know.
even some reputable furrin auto magazines will, at times, borrow from the manufacturer's brochure.

but i have never, personally, equalled or bettered, these published good-lookin' km/li figures. i always ended up with less impressive numbers.

[Miles_on]

So far, I get 9-10km/liter on average, city (NCR) stop and go driving.
Ok naman na ata yun for a daily driver (gas) sedan?

But compared to those used to SUV fuel consumption, baka superb na yun
Paano pa kaya yung mga FJ (4.0 engine)???

[hardwang]

So far, I get 9-10km/liter on average, city (NCR) stop and go driving.
Ok naman na ata yun for a daily driver (gas) sedan?

But compared to those used to SUV fuel consumption, baka superb na yun
Paano pa kaya yung mga FJ (4.0 engine)???

Believe it or not, mas magasto yung 2.7L vvti fortuner namin dati compared to our FJ. The fortuner gets 4km/L in light traffic and 8km/L in the highway.

[17Sphynx17]

pero with the cars I've tested/borrowed/rented.

digital FC vs full tank method, halos +/-1km/l lang difference ko.

kaya nagugulat ako sa claims sa 20+ kms/l "real world" ng local car reviewers.

I do agree that it "normal" scenarios, the FC Digital meter/display shows at most a discrepancy of 3-5% per my experience. However, in not so "ideal" FC check scenarios in real world. I have gotten discrepancy of +/-10% to 15% from what the FC gauge displays. (idling persistent here due to traffic or "waiting in vehicle")

The lower the FC Reading, the lesser impact that discrepancy would be. But if it were to come from the highway/mixed FC Reading, that most probably will have a more significant impact.

Yung 20+kms/l, nakakagulat yun especially kung city driving or mixed conditions. If highway, I would like to know at what average speed that is supposedly taken at. But, yeah, even with a 1.5 to 1.6L gas engine, I have yet to achieve 20km/l actual FC via full tank method. 16km/l lang highest ko sa gasoline na highway exclusive driving while sa diesel na 2.5L at most was 14km/l pag highway only and this is keeping revs below 1500rpm para di sumipa yung turbo masyado. Mixed is 10-11km/l.

[ParticleX]

So far, I get 9-10km/liter on average, city (NCR) stop and go driving.
Ok naman na ata yun for a daily driver (gas) sedan?

But compared to those used to SUV fuel consumption, baka superb na yun
Paano pa kaya yung mga FJ (4.0 engine)???

sa akin pinapadala ng tropa ko yung Prado 4.0 nila pag mag long drive kami, i think same engine with the FJ? 1GR-FE. tinatamad kasi siya lagi sa long trips. compute ko is 6+ km/l lang highway, upsized yung wheels and A/T tires though so nagccontribute din yun.

kusa nga lang lumiliko pag nakakakita ng gasolinahan siya naman nagpapa-gas so ok lang sa akin. i enjoy driving it everytime.

[dr. d]

16km/l lang highest ko sa gasoline na highway exclusive driving while sa diesel na 2.5L at most was 14km/l pag highway only and this is keeping revs below 1500rpm para di sumipa yung turbo masyado. Mixed is 10-11km/l.

i once got 18 km/li in my automatic diesel innova.
while traveling at 60-70 km /li in the highway, i zeroed my km/li computer. it was instantly replaced by a reading of 18 km/li.
it was an actual reading, in actual instantaneous scenario, but far from real-life everyday driving.
heh heh.
"cheat."

[_Qwerty_]

eto highest nakuha ko sa BRV.. 4 passengers... aircon ON.. max 100kph.. Mandaluyong to Batangas.. via slex star..

[misseksaherada]

Sa Facebook page ng Vitara, SLEX din daan nya abot 20km/L sa dashboard..
Pero ako, 1st time ko lang kanina napaabot ng 9.9km/L yung sa dashbaord ko.. [emoji28]
Talo kapag traffic, tapos malapit lang lagi ang pinupuntahan..

eto highest nakuha ko sa BRV.. 4 passengers... aircon ON.. max 100kph.. Mandaluyong to Batangas.. via slex star..