Fortuner G VVTi AT or Innova G D4D?

[mqavila]

Hi guys,

To follow-up my previous question between the Fortuner and the Montero, I have another car comparison question: right now, I have a budget of around P1,100,000. This is enough for the Innova G D4D variant (not really a fan of the captain seats of the V) but I definitely like the looks of the current version of the Fortuner. Do you think it's worth stretching my budget (not sure how to do it right now though) to get the Fortuner gas variant?

We are a family of four (myself, my wife and two small kids) but we occasionally go on out-of-town trips with extended family (i.e., my parents, my sisters-in-law and other family members) so the convenience of a seven-seater is really good. Of course, the other priorities would be:

1. fuel efficiency
2. riding comfort for both myself as the driver as well as my passengers
3. durability

Hope you guys can share your thoughts on this. Thanks!

[boytsiks]

Hi guys,

To follow-up my previous question between the Fortuner and the Montero, I have another car comparison question: right now, I have a budget of around P1,100,000. This is enough for the Innova G D4D variant (not really a fan of the captain seats of the V) but I definitely like the looks of the current version of the Fortuner. Do you think it's worth stretching my budget (not sure how to do it right now though) to get the Fortuner gas variant?


We are a family of four (myself, my wife and two small kids) but we occasionally go on out-of-town trips with extended family (i.e., my parents, my sisters-in-law and other family members) so the convenience of a seven-seater is really good. Of course, the other priorities would be:

1. fuel efficiency
2. riding comfort for both myself as the driver as well as my passengers
3. durability

Hope you guys can share your thoughts on this. Thanks!

Get what you really want sir. In the end, nothing beats self satisfaction on the purchase. I'm a really big fan of the fortuner. So fortuner gets my vote, but yung diesel variant sana. Medyo uhaw daw based sa mga fellow tsikoteers natin yung VVTi na fort,eh. AT lang ba ang option mo? Ayaw mo nung MT na fort?

Why not consider the Montero Non VGT MT mas malapit sa budget? Even I'm a big fan of fort, Montero nabili ko since budget-wise mas ok sa kin to. IMHO, mas maluwag ang 3rd ng Monty sa Fort...

Nonetheless, Innova or Fort? Its a good car. Good luck TS!

[renzo_d10]

A friend of mine has an 08 Fortuner VVTi. It drinks gas, but I'd say just as much as one would expect from a 2.7 liter SUV.

That's around 6km/L city driving, it's automatic too.

The Innova wins #1 and #2 of your priorities. While both units wins #3.

The Innova D4D, as I've heard, can do 9-10km/L in the city. But that's probably in moderate traffic.

I really like the Fortuner. I'd get that if I was in your shoes, but if you really consider your priorities, there isn't really a perfect place for the Fortuner right there.

[mqavila]

A friend of mine has an 08 Fortuner VVTi. It drinks gas, but I'd say just as much as one would expect from a 2.7 liter SUV.

That's around 6km/L city driving, it's automatic too.

The Innova wins #1 and #2 of your priorities. While both units wins #3.

The Innova D4D, as I've heard, can do 9-10km/L in the city. But that's probably in moderate traffic.

I really like the Fortuner. I'd get that if I was in your shoes, but if you really consider your priorities, there isn't really a perfect place for the Fortuner right there.

Hmmm... as I mentioned, my daily commute is from QC to Muntinlupa and back. Part of that route is highway driving - from C-5 (past Kalayaan) to SLEX and back. But the rest of the way is city driving with moderate to heavy traffic. I wonder what the fuel efficiency would be for either the gas Fort or the diesel Innova?

In terms of looks and sheer likability, the Fort wins over the Innova several times over for me. However, practicality is also a factor...

[renzo_d10]

Hmmm... as I mentioned, my daily commute is from QC to Muntinlupa and back. Part of that route is highway driving - from C-5 (past Kalayaan) to SLEX and back. But the rest of the way is city driving with moderate to heavy traffic. I wonder what the fuel efficiency would be for either the gas Fort or the diesel Innova?

In terms of looks and sheer likability, the Fort wins over the Innova several times over for me. However, practicality is also a factor...

When I used my friend's Fortuner on heavy traffic, the MID showed a whooping 5.8km/L. Give and take a few points for its accuracy, that's around 5km/L on actual computation.

But that's expected since I never hit 60kph because of the traffic.

I would reckon that the FC, on a mixed condition, would be around 7km/L... 8km/L if lucky. I doubt if it can reach 9km/L given your routes.

Of course the Fortuner wins over the Innova in terms of looks, and probably the "wow" factor from both ordinary people and traffic enforcers (if you know what I mean)

But then again, if you value practicality, there's no reason for you to get the Fortuner over an Innova, because the latter is really practical.

The Fortuner might show its advantage though when the rain starts pouring.

[vinj]

When I used my friend's Fortuner on heavy traffic, the MID showed a whooping 5.8km/L. Give and take a few points for its accuracy, that's around 5km/L on actual computation.

But that's expected since I never hit 60kph because of the traffic.

I would reckon that the FC, on a mixed condition, would be around 7km/L... 8km/L if lucky. I doubt if it can reach 9km/L given your routes.

Of course the Fortuner wins over the Innova in terms of looks, and probably the "wow" factor from both ordinary people and traffic enforcers (if you know what I mean)

But then again, if you value practicality, there's no reason for you to get the Fortuner over an Innova, because the latter is really practical.

The Fortuner might show its advantage though when the rain starts pouring.

FC = Innova
SC = Fort?



If you're open to LPG then the Fort is a good candidate for that. When it comes to flooding, how many inches/feet of wading can a gasoline Fort add? If you drive often on the open highways then it's still viable but if you're stuck in city traffic most of the time then the Innova is the clear winner. The money you save you can add OEM 17 inch rims from a Toyota Camry, an OEM roof rail and some small add-ons to make the Innova look nice and clean

[boytsiks]

Hmmm... as I mentioned, my daily commute is from QC to Muntinlupa and back. Part of that route is highway driving - from C-5 (past Kalayaan) to SLEX and back. But the rest of the way is city driving with moderate to heavy traffic. I wonder what the fuel efficiency would be for either the gas Fort or the diesel Innova?

In terms of looks and sheer likability, the Fort wins over the Innova several times over for me. However, practicality is also a factor...

If you really prioritize practicality, I would say the Innova is the perfect choice. Decent FC plus the fact that diesel is cheaper than gas.

Looks-wise a new rims would greatly improve Innova's look. IMHO

[mqavila]

Get what you really want sir. In the end, nothing beats self satisfaction on the purchase. I'm a really big fan of the fortuner. So fortuner gets my vote, but yung diesel variant sana. Medyo uhaw daw based sa mga fellow tsikoteers natin yung VVTi na fort,eh. AT lang ba ang option mo? Ayaw mo nung MT na fort?

Why not consider the Montero Non VGT MT mas malapit sa budget? Even I'm a big fan of fort, Montero nabili ko since budget-wise mas ok sa kin to. IMHO, mas maluwag ang 3rd ng Monty sa Fort...

Nonetheless, Innova or Fort? Its a good car. Good luck TS!

Thanks for the comments and advice! I don't think I would consider M/T. My daily commute is from QC to Muntinlupa and back. If I drove a M/T, I think I'll end up growing a third leg! So, the diesel Fort is already out of the picture.

The Montero is still being considered also but based on what I've heard and read so far, it appears that Toyota is still more reliable than Mitsubishi (no offense to Mitsu fans out there!). Although to be very honest, I used to like the Monty more than the Fort.

[vinj]

Given your budget and priorities, the Innova looks to be the best especially on the FC side if you are getting brand new. The novelty of having a 2-wheel drive Fortuner 2.7L gas will wear off eventually if you ask me; especially once reality (and the fuel bills) start piling in.

[nujsimon]

Family car/fuel economy/easier maintenance- Innova
High clearance/better on off-road/Looks (dating)/prestige- fortuner

Ride comfort halos pareho

[mqavila]

I wish I could afford the diesel variant of the Fort but that's an additional P120,000 more. My budget can only reach for the Fort gas variant at the most...

[shadow3616931]

Fort vvti user here for almost 5 yrs now, gas consumption is 7kpl mixed, 7.4 actually on MID, no breakdowns, just follow pms, no worry on dirty fuel, no EGR cleaning, no vibration, very quiet (useful when you go home late wife wouldn't notice you, hehe), very smooth to drive, smoke smells fine not like diesel smells awful especially during warming up smoke might get into your living room coming from garage, and its fast enough.

Is the 8kpl computed in gas? Then if you choose diesel they will compute it in diesel if its so, choose gas.

Re tagtag for me NO its not, maybe I got use to it or because I'm an offroader... hehe

[mqavila]

Is the 8kpl computed in gas? Then if you choose diesel they will compute it in diesel if its so, choose gas.

It's computed at 8km/l whether gas or diesel so diesel wins every time. However, my maintenance allowance remains constant as well, whether gas or diesel so if diesel upkeep is more expensive, it kinda evens out in the end. That's ASSUMING diesel upkeep is greater then gas upkeep. Is it?

[jmpet626]

Go for gas variant na lang ng fort, mahal maintenance ng Diesel from maintaining diesel 08 sta fe and 09 Montero sport.

[vinj]

It's computed at 8km/l whether gas or diesel so diesel wins every time. However, my maintenance allowance remains constant as well, whether gas or diesel so if diesel upkeep is more expensive, it kinda evens out in the end. That's ASSUMING diesel upkeep is greater then gas upkeep. Is it?

In the first 100,000kms to 150,000kms, the diesel upkeep is pretty much the same unless you run into problems with your fuel system. Change oil, change filters, and you don't have any spark plugs to replace in a diesel.

There's a thread somewhere here on overall maintenance, where some owners posted their average cost per km (FC + PMS); I don't know if anyone posted a D4d versus VVTi comparo though.

Re. the D4d maintenance, we have several in the garage (Hiace and a few Innovas) and they're still pretty straightforward. I'd believe the maintenance costs of Mitsu and Hyundai are more expensive than Toyota based on what i've been reading and encountering (at least with our Hyundai Tucson versus our Toyota CASA serviced cars; wala na kaming Mitsu right now). We had one Innova which had the D4d problems but it was just eventually sold and replaced with another Innova diesel. If there's one thing i don't like much about the D4d Innova is that it feels quite slow/sluggish due to it's gearing (most likely) when i drive it on the highway. I feel that our Hiace Grandia and the Fortuner 2.5 D of my sister has better power delivery.

[mqavila]

Incidentally, can anyone confirm if the 2013 Fortuner VVTi variant comes with a touchscreen head unit and how much it would cost to activate the GPS? On the other hand, how much would it cost to upgrade the Innova's head unit to a touchscreen GPS head unit?

[mqavila]

Already decided on the Fortuner. Now trying to decide on the color. Ive narrowed it down to either black or dark grey. Help?

[Retz]

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Ayaw mo pearl white sir? i have to go with black.

[niky]

Dark Gray is perhaps most practical. Gray tones tend to hide dirt and dust, and scratches are less noticeable on gray and white cars. Highly reflective black cars are a pain in the arse to keep clean.

[IMm29]

+1 on niky's point. Though black is more elegant, it's a b1tch to maintain.

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