Fortuner 2.7vvti vs 2.5 d4d

[TFR]

Please enlighten me guys. Im thinking of buying a fortuner this coming month and im choosing between the gas and diesel version(the 3.0l would be nice but out of the budget) The agent is convincing me to get the gas version since economy wise they are almost the same daw. Since the d4d has only 102hp and has a heavy body, it will consume a lot of fuel as compared to th 160hp gas version to keep it going. Any of you has a first hand experience on this?

[bilog]

if you are into fuel economy your better off with the 2.5d4d. my 2.7 gets me 6km/l on city driving. on highway from manila to batangas with an average speed of 90kph i get 9km/l.

[TFR]

any figure for the d4d?

[niky]

The 3.0 and 2.7 have almost identical numbers in the city, but on the highway, the superior torque of the 3.0 allows it to give decent economy.

I'm betting the 2.5 will give you the best economy in the city, but it'll be almost as slow as an AUV with all the weight... traditional AUV, ha, not the Innova.

In other words, it'll probably be as slow as a Crosswind but sip diesel like one.

[squala]

There are pros and cons between the two variants.

Gasoline

- smoother
- faster
- fuel aside, likely cheaper to maintain

Diesel

- more torque - more hauling ability
- more fuel efficient

If you read the C! magazine issue wherein they tested both the 3.0 D-4D and the 2.7 VVTi, there's only a slight difference in economy.

I guess the gas version won't hurt, but when it comes to medium SUVs, diesels always get my nod.

[oldblue]

2.5 d4d na lang pre. mahal sobra gasolina ngaun. hindi pa consistent ang gasoline engine. even if 5km/liter ang fortuner 2.7vvti as they say, often times mas mababa pa dun ang nakukuha mo. unlike the diesel one. kahit may varying driving habits ka. for example, heavy foot on a tuesday, heavy bumper to bumper traffic on wednesday, but other days naman eh relaxed ka at light footed. yun average consumption ng diesel hindi gano lumalayo.

with gas sobra unpredictable, minsan I loose 50-60km on the same amount of full tank.

[apexi_66]

Take note of the problems that's been affecting D4D especially 2.5 variants. For me, 102 hp is not adequate enough for a body such as that of a Fortuner. Better go for 2.7VVTi variant so no worries. Even in Thailand I've read that more people buying the gas variant lately.

[herbularyo]

I own a 2.5 D4D. I get 10Km/L on mix city / highway use.

Accelaration is subjective IMO

[usokpower]

Please enlighten me guys. Im thinking of buying a fortuner this coming month and im choosing between the gas and diesel version(the 3.0l would be nice but out of the budget) The agent is convincing me to get the gas version since economy wise they are almost the same daw. Since the d4d has only 102hp and has a heavy body, it will consume a lot of fuel as compared to th 160hp gas version to keep it going. Any of you has a first hand experience on this?

The fortuner is actually light, dont be fooled by its bulky looks. WE own a
hilux 4x2 and its engine is the 2.5litre and its weight is 2650kg. Our
fortuner 3.0litre with a 4x4 tranny weighs only at 2510kg as indicated
in the sales invoice. So it would probably be safe to assume that the fortuner G version probably weighs around 2400kg.

We get an average consumption of 11-13km/litre city driving in our hilux.
Engine power is decent, but if your looking for the "omph" to accelerate from 40-90kph in an instant. Then this is not the engine for you.

I guess the fortuner is slower in terms of acceleration compared to the
hilux due to its larger wheels.

But if your used to drive pickups or diesel utility vehicles during the 80's
or 90's. The 2.5litre version is powerful and economical enough.

[letranboy]

ako ill go with a 2.7 gas. kunti lang naman diff ng gas and diesel. less maintainance pa. tahimik ang engine.

[tebs]

we previously had the same problem, we chose the gas coz:
-cheaper by 60k
-cheaper and simpler to maintain (IMHO)
-smoother and more powerful engine

[driven]

hehe, gasoline engine is better in this case

[TFR]

I own a 2.5 D4D. I get 10Km/L on mix city / highway use.

Accelaration is subjective IMO

thanks! I think I'll go for the 2.5 d4d, 102hp is sufficient for me. Im used to driving my isuzu TFR and gen1 pajero w/c I think has roughly 80horses. I dont need to go really fast in a big car anyways. The strada has 100hp and drives ok. Thanks for all your response.... except for tebs, bilog and herbularyo, do all you have a fortuner also?

[rion]

if you are into fuel economy your better off with the 2.5d4d. my 2.7 gets me 6km/l on city driving. on highway from manila to batangas with an average speed of 90kph i get 9km/l.

never tried these vehicles so, I would go for Bilog's advice because he owns one. and also read the fuel comsumption on fortuner 2.5D and 3.0D thread. they can go over 8km/l on city driving

my take on the fortuner:

diesel is good, gas is just adequate. blame the tranny?. the gas version is just adequate for puttering around the metro. though I would hesitatto overtake with it going up an incline. the diesel version is just superb! its full power though comes alive at around 3K rpm. I wonder how these engines would behave on a manual tranny. am not really fond of toyota's auto tranny.

yup, yup, yup. diesels are really good on busy streets, it doesn't use much revs. so more revs can be used if you want to overtake quickly. personaly, I think diesels are best and more fuel effecient to heavy vehicles.

so Diesel kana kasi malaki ang fortuner Imo, Gas lang kapag small vehicles and on straight highways lang ang biyahi mo.

[lexus]

The fortuner is actually light, dont be fooled by its bulky looks. WE own a
hilux 4x2 and its engine is the 2.5litre and its weight is 2650kg. Our
fortuner 3.0litre with a 4x4 tranny weighs only at 2510kg as indicated
in the sales invoice. So it would probably be safe to assume that the fortuner G version probably weighs around 2400kg

let's not get confused here, there's a big difference between a curb weight and the gross vehicle weight.

Curb Weight is the actual weight of the truck without any passengers or cargo in it. It’s the base weight that is used in subtraction to calculate the total weight of the passengers and cargo.

Gross Vehicle Weight is the total weight of the loaded vehicle. This includes the vehicle itself and the cargo that is loaded within that vehicle.

Hilux 2.5 D4D
curb weight = 1655 kg gross weight = 2,650

Fortuner 3.0 D4D
curb weight = 1945 kg gross weight = 2,510 kg

Fortuner 2.5 D4D
curb weight = 1805 kg gross weight = ?

Conclusion: Fortuner is heavier than the hilux. Hilux has higher load capacity.

as to the sufficiency of the braking power of the Fortuner : more than adequate. it has load sensing, proportioning and bypass valve brake system and the electronic brake distribution system as well as with the anti lock brake system.

[herbularyo]

thanks! I think I'll go for the 2.5 d4d, 102hp is sufficient for me. Im used to driving my isuzu TFR and gen1 pajero w/c I think has roughly 80horses. I dont need to go really fast in a big car anyways. The strada has 100hp and drives ok. Thanks for all your response.... except for tebs, bilog and herbularyo, do all you have a fortuner also?

Hope you get your Fortuner soon.

Try also to visit the tambayan of Fortuner owners:

http://pinoyfortuner.14.forumer.com/index.php

[bilog]

thanks! I think I'll go for the 2.5 d4d, 102hp is sufficient for me. Im used to driving my isuzu TFR and gen1 pajero w/c I think has roughly 80horses. I dont need to go really fast in a big car anyways. The strada has 100hp and drives ok. Thanks for all your response.... except for tebs, bilog and herbularyo, do all you have a fortuner also?

yes i have and it is shown on my sig...

[usokpower]

let's not get confused here, there's a big difference between a curb weight and the gross vehicle weight.

Curb Weight is the actual weight of the truck without any passengers or cargo in it. It’s the base weight that is used in subtraction to calculate the total weight of the passengers and cargo.

Gross Vehicle Weight is the total weight of the loaded vehicle. This includes the vehicle itself and the cargo that is loaded within that vehicle.

Hilux 2.5 D4D
curb weight = 1655 kg gross weight = 2,650

Fortuner 3.0 D4D
curb weight = 1945 kg gross weight = 2,510 kg

Fortuner 2.5 D4D
curb weight = 1805 kg gross weight = ?

Conclusion: Fortuner is heavier than the hilux. Hilux has higher load capacity.

as to the sufficiency of the braking power of the Fortuner : more than adequate. it has load sensing, proportioning and bypass valve brake system and the electronic brake distribution system as well as with the anti lock brake system.

Thanks for the info, I stand corrected.

Curb weight

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Curb weight is the total weight of an automobile with standard equipment, oil, lubricants, coolant, a full tank of fuel and not loaded with either passengers or cargo.

This definition may differ from definitions used by governmental regulatory agencies.

Additionally, organizations may define curb weight with fixed levels of fuel and other variables to equalize the value for the comparison of different vehicles.

It is generally provided as a statistic about automobile weights, along with gross weight, which represents the weight of an automobile when fully loaded. The difference between gross weight and curb weight is the total passenger and cargo weight capacity of the vehicle.

Please note that curb weight is different than dry weight

[mazdamazda]

I'll go with the 2.7L VVTi engine.

Power delivery isn't really that smooth (like other VVTi engines) and fuel consumption can be a concern...

Acceleration is a bit sluggish at first... but once you get past the 4K mark, things start to speed up quiet fast.

Plus, it seems that the maintenance & longevity of the VVTi engine is more assured than that of the problematic D4D engine.

[attynorby]

If you're into fuel economy, go for the 2.5d4d. City driving does not go below 9km/li; my average city driving is 10km/li; imagine the mileage for highway drives.

I used to own a 1.6VVTi altis where I averaged 10-11km/li in city driving; 2.7VVTi is almost double of the altis, hence, even if the VVTi engine is fuel efficient, expect an increase in gas budget. With this simple arithmetic, I opted for the 2.5d4d.

My actual experience: 1.6VVTi altis fuel consumption is equivalent to my 2.5d4d's.

Engine power is much, much more than the ordinary AUVs (crosswind, etc.)