FORD FIESTA (hatch) vs HONDA JAZZ vs MAZDA 2

[anonemus]

Getrag is pretty reputable as far as they go...I'm still concerned though as twin-clutch gearboxes used in mainstream automobiles are still in their infancy.

OTOH, Ford Phils warranties the Fiesta up to 5 years/100K kms naman ata?

[tidus1203]

Do they? Ford standard is just 3 years/100K km... Only the Koreans give 5 years warranty...

[Type 100]

Meron ka bang link ng article para ma kita natin ang basis nila...

Ask and you shall receive:


Image taken from a fellow on FitFreak.net. Seems like a magazine scan.

[anonemus]

Do they? Ford standard is just 3 years/100K km... Only the Koreans give 5 years warranty...

Just read a post from another forum saying it might be so. Baka may maka confirm dito?

[GTi]

I'm only familiar with Aisin, Getrag and ZF. I always thought BorgWarner made 4WD systems only. BTW, has anyone been able to drive all three neck to neck locally? Since the Fiesta has the most superior transmission, and has just as much power as the Jazz, I'm expecting it to perform better than the Jazz, at least in the performance department. Am I right in my assumption?

[Type 100]

I'm only familiar with Aisin, Getrag and ZF. I always thought BorgWarner made 4WD systems only. BTW, has anyone been able to drive all three neck to neck locally? Since the Fiesta has the most superior transmission, and has just as much power as the Jazz, I'm expecting it to perform better than the Jazz, at least in the performance department. Am I right in my assumption?

Basahin mo na lang ito: Car and Driver's October 2010 issue.

http://gb.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416136366&e=true

The Fit vs. Mazda 2 vs. Fiesta shootout is on page 95.

And by the way...all mechanical 4WD is basically transmission, too. Not such a stretch for BorgWarner to make gearboxes. ;)

[niky]

Ask and you shall receive:


Image taken from a fellow on FitFreak.net. Seems like a magazine scan.

Interesting... I quite agree with their segments scores, but again, Car&Driver trip over their own feet when assigning weights to their scores... you'll note that they've biased scores towards outright performance (40 points for acceleration and "performance") and have their infamous "kicker" score of "fun-to-drive" (which I disagree with... the Mazda2 corners better, accelerates almost as well, and is much more fun to drive).

I'd argue that engine flexibility is at least worth as much as outright acceleration in terms of scoring. Everyday driving is not a drag race.

Kind of knew the Mazda2 would be a better handler than the Fiesta, though. But the US Fiesta and Mazda2 are the heaviest variants, as far as I remember... and the Honda Fit Sport may have a better suspension than locally... but maybe not.

Also note that the test Fiesta is a five-speed manual. Locally, we're only getting a six speed DCT versus the Honda five-speed... which may be a different story in terms of acceleration with the Honda's long gearing... but given how good the L15 is, it may still edge out the Fiesta.

Too bad we don't have five-speed manuals of anything but the Mazda2 here... 8.3 seconds for the Fit? That'd equate to around 9 flat to 100 km/h. That's scorching for a 1.5 liter car in this day and age.

[safeorigin]

8.3 sec fit... that's a bit exaggerated

[niky]

8.3 sec fit... that's a bit exaggerated

Car and Driver times are SAE-corrected... so they are often faster than what other people see. That 8.3 seconds would be mid-8s to 60 mph elsewhere, and possibly 9-9.5 seconds to 100 km/h here.

[anonemus]

Do they? Ford standard is just 3 years/100K km... Only the Koreans give 5 years warranty...

Posted in VCP

naka paskil sa ford the fort yan.. 5yrs / 200t kms warranty. para mabenta lang siguro ..

Can someone confirm?

[Type 100]

8.3 sec fit... that's a bit exaggerated

You'll have to allow for the manual gearbox.

Putting it another way, this is me saying the GE Fit's automatic gearbox is THAT bad. It makes a mockery of the engine IMHO.

[niky]

Far as I know, it's 5/100k kms. Like Ford's other extended warranties. Haven't heard of 200k kms, yet.

Not many people can hit 200k kms in five years... I hit my 100k in six...

[tidus1203]

5 years na pala standard sa Ford? Since when? Dati kasi 3/100 lang...

[anonemus]

^ I think niky meant 5 years extended warranty (3 standard + 2 extended). I wonder if the +2 is free...

[number001]

Car and Driver October 2010
(click image to enlarge)

[safeorigin]

You'll have to allow for the manual gearbox.

Putting it another way, this is me saying the GE Fit's automatic gearbox is THAT bad. It makes a mockery of the engine IMHO.

they should have tested the non-honda s2000 then

[number001]

[number001]

double post

[eggman]

IMHO dito at least mas mura ang Fiesta over sa Jazz.

[imperialv]

You might want to check this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGJPE...ayer_embedded#!

Dapat siguro marines natin may ford fiesta din...