emotional attachment/fording capacity vs traditional family suv

[chanak]

i bought my first car close to 2 years ago, a toyota altis 1.6 G. it was a safe and very reliable choice, i have no regrets, but at the same time, parang bland at wala akong emotional attachment sa kanya.

im about to buy my second car. factors i am considering are 1) fording capacity (since i live in pasig area which was flooded and i can't be trapped i need to get to work); 2) price and value for money(since i am renovating my house i need to split budget between renovation and car); 3) being family-friendly (i have a wife, one 2 year old kid and a yaya); and 4) i need to be excited about this purchase (emotional attachment, since i gave this up with my first car for the sake of a safe purchase), 5)added features like BT stereo.

my choices are

all new ford ranger 2012 (pasok na pasok sa 1,2 and 4, but looks like a fail sa 3)
subaru forester (pasok sa 3 and so-so sa 4, but fail sa 1 and very stretched sa 2)
fortuner (pwede na sa 1, pasok sa 3, very stretched sa 2, and so-so sa 4, and the model im looking at (G variant) im not so sure but i think features are bare and i want a BT stereo)

out of all, i have the most emotional attachment to the ranger (its what my heart wants because the looks and the preception of it really catches my attention!) but my brain says forrester or fortuner (safer choices).. at the same time i save a few hundred thousand also sa all new ranger which can go to my house renovation, plus its newer and mas walang problema sa baha..

[pop3corn]

Bumili ka na Lang ng condo near your work and get out of the Pasig Area and retain your Corolla.

[chanak]

Bumili ka na Lang ng condo near your work and get out of the Pasig Area and retain your Corolla.

well i can't do that kasi i bought the property about a year ago. d pumapasok ang flood sa loob but outside there is a stretch that floods knee/waist deep. and i also need a second car already for coding

[yebo]

Bumili ka na Lang ng condo near your work and get out of the Pasig Area and retain your Corolla.

korek!

pero since sabi mo di pwede, ranger na kasi. bakit fail sa 3 e double cab naman yun? lagyan mo ng seat cover na may foam para di gaano feel ang tagtag. palagyan mo din step board para di hirap si yaya sumakay saka sabihan mo na wag masyado masikip ang kanyang mini-skirt ng di (mo) masilipan.

[GTi]

Kuha ka ng Ford Everest. It has very good flood fording capability - at the top of its class in fact. There is an ICE variant which has a kick-ass entertainment system. Although ride quality is not the best, its got lots of space. How much is your budget by the way? Considering 2nd hand units? As for pleasurable ownership, the Everest has surprisingly good handling and with lots of punch especially with the 3.0L variant.

[chanak]

Kuha ka ng Ford Everest. It has very good flood fording capability - at the top of its class in fact. There is an ICE variant which has a kick-ass entertainment system. Although ride quality is not the best, its got lots of space. How much is your budget by the way? Considering 2nd hand units? As for pleasurable ownership, the Everest has surprisingly good handling and with lots of punch especially with the 3.0L variant.

hmmm i was also considering everest, yun lang wala pang nagbibigay feedback sa akin so thanks for your input, will consider it

[renzo_d10]

Yea. Get the Everest if you don't want the Ranger. They have roughly the same flood fording capability -- well, maybe not. Maybe a little close to what the previous Ranger can go through.

Waterproof naman ECU ng Ford. Tapos ang taas pa ng ground clearance ng Everest.

I've driven one, TOTL unit. Its punch is adequate, hindi naman papaiwan. Medyo matagtag nga lang. Pero kung hindi ka naman maarte, it's a great car.

[d_mac]

Sir juts.... The one that has the higher torque, 470 Nm, is the 5-straight cylinder 3.2-litre Ranger TDCi, not the 2.2-litre version. Malakas pa hatak ng 2.2 R-eVGT Santa Fe o Sorento diyan sa maliit na makinang Ranger na yan na ubod laki ng kaha.

Meron Ranger 2.2 at 3.2 dito sa kumpanya kung san ako nagwork sir, alongside Hilux, Navara, Rodeo, at Dmax at Landcruiser 4.5-litre pati.

Regards chief.

[SiRbossR]

Sir juts.... The one that has the higher torque, 470 Nm, is the 5-straight cylinder 3.2-litre Ranger TDCi, not the 2.2-litre version. Malakas pa hatak ng 2.2 R-eVGT Santa Fe o Sorento diyan sa maliit na makinang Ranger na yan na ubod laki ng kaha.

Meron Ranger 2.2 at 3.2 dito sa kumpanya kung san ako nagwork sir, alongside Hilux, Navara, Rodeo, at Dmax at Landcruiser 4.5-litre pati.

Regards chief.

Here we go again. Sige,DMAX maganda kase its an Isuzu hinDMAXiado.

Seriously, my gf's ride is a Santa Fe R and it's fast yes but only if you reach it's peak power.

[jut703]

Sir juts.... The one that has the higher torque, 470 Nm, is the 5-straight cylinder 3.2-litre Ranger TDCi, not the 2.2-litre version. Malakas pa hatak ng 2.2 R-eVGT Santa Fe o Sorento diyan sa maliit na makinang Ranger na yan na ubod laki ng kaha.

Meron Ranger 2.2 at 3.2 dito sa kumpanya kung san ako nagwork sir, alongside Hilux, Navara, Rodeo, at Dmax at Landcruiser 4.5-litre pati.

Regards chief.

I know. Like I said, almost all of its competitors.

The Ranger has more torque than the Strada, the 4x2 Navara, the Hilux, and the D-Max.

Comparing the Ranger to the Sorento/Santa Fe 2.2 R-eVGT is pretty moot since they're not of the same class in the first place. And even if you include them, I never said that the Ranger 2.2 XLT had the best diesel engine in its price range anyway.

What I was trying to say is, the Ranger's engine is torquey enough to manage its 1929 kg curb weight, and should have no problem getting up to speed. Its power-to-weight ratio is similar to a non-VGT Strada, which has never been touted as sluggish or underpowered. Perhaps it may not have an excess of pace, but it's certainly adequate. And like I said, that impressive torque is available even at a low 1500 rpm.

[dr. d]

you're renovating your house and you want to buy a new car. you're burning your candle at both ends... is that wise?
don't believe everything you read in the ad flyers. they're designed to sell the item..
look, if you REALLY NEED a flood-car, just get a used diesel revo. or an adventure. or hilander.
besides, fording the flood is the easy part. the hard part is cleaning your car after it survives: repack wheel bearings, differential and engine oil change, etc..
and, if i may suggest, when the floods really hit, you wouldn't need a land vehicle; you'd need a boat!
perhaps you should give that condo idea a second think..
devil's advocate here..

[chanak]

you're renovating your house and you want to buy a new car. you're burning your candle at both ends... is that wise?
don't believe everything you read in the ad flyers. they're designed to sell the item..
look, if you REALLY NEED a flood-car, just get a used diesel revo. or an adventure. or hilander.
besides, fording the flood is the easy part. the hard part is cleaning your car after it survives: repack wheel bearings, differential and engine oil change, etc..
and, if i may suggest, when the floods really hit, you wouldn't need a land vehicle; you'd need a boat!
perhaps you should give that condo idea a second think..
devil's advocate here..

thanks for the advice dude but syempre d ko rin kasi napost full circumstances ko which limits some of your suggestions. i don't want a used car, i cannot move to a condo bec of certain circumstances, and i need a vehicle with fording capabilities just in case and psychologically it helps, but doesn't mean susugod ko talaga sa baha. the house i have no choice bec i already bought it, and the second car i really need one for coding since papasok na son ko sa school. so i cant spend for a car, renovation of a house i just bought and a condo at the same time haha. but thanks i would follow your suggestion if not for the circumstances im in

[d_mac]

I know. Like I said, almost all of its competitors.

The Ranger has more torque than the Strada, the 4x2 Navara, the Hilux, and the D-Max.

Comparing the Ranger to the Sorento/Santa Fe 2.2 R-eVGT is pretty moot since they're not of the same class in the first place. And even if you include them, I never said that the Ranger 2.2 XLT had the best diesel engine in its price range anyway.

What I was trying to say is, the Ranger's engine is torquey enough to manage its 1929 kg curb weight, and should have no problem getting up to speed. Its power-to-weight ratio is similar to a non-VGT Strada, which has never been touted as sluggish or underpowered. Perhaps it may not have an excess of pace, but it's certainly adequate. And like I said, that impressive torque is available even at a low 1500 rpm.

Nope sir, the new Ranger 2.2 litre is weak, to be honest, it's not torquey.... Manual pa mga gamit dito and there is an entry-level 2.2 variant and 3.2 litre dito sa workplace namin. Kuwentong barbero na yan - sakay naman si Sirbusabos (Sirboss) na ala din alam haha!

Ang malakas ay ang 3.2 litre, hindi yan ubod ng laki ng kaha na liit ng makina na 2.2 litre. "torquey enough" like you say doesn't mean "impressive" pare koy. Ano yan, inter-mixed ng adjectives.... Wala naman bolahan dito pare koy, hindi lahat ng tao pare koy mang-mang at nakiki-ride lang na parang walang isip gaya ni idol

[jut703]

Nope sir, the new Ranger 2.2 litre is weak, to be honest, it's not torquey.... Manual pa mga gamit dito and there is an entry-level 2.2 variant and 3.2 litre dito sa workplace namin. Kuwentong barbero na yan - sakay naman si Sirbusabos (Sirboss) na ala din alam haha!

Ang malakas ay ang 3.2 litre, hindi yan ubod ng laki ng kaha na liit ng makina na 2.2 litre. "torquey enough" like you say doesn't mean "impressive" pare koy. Ano yan, inter-mixed ng adjectives.... Wala naman bolahan dito pare koy, hindi lahat ng tao pare koy mang-mang at nakiki-ride lang na parang walang isip gaya ni idol

You keep forcing the 3.2L Ranger into the discussion, when all that's being discussed here is the 2.2 XLT, which competes with the Strada GLX-V, the Navara 4x2, the Colorado LT, the Hilux 2.5G, and the D-Max 4x2 LX.

There's also no mention of the 3.2L Ranger in the TS' choices, which are either the Ranger XLT, the Fortuner G, or the Forester 2.0XS.

Going back to the Ranger, malamang mas mahina yung Ranger sa 2.2 R-eVGT ng Sorento/Santa Fe. Mas mahina rin sa 1KD-FTV ng Fortuner, or sa mismong 3.2 ng Ranger. These are all more powerful engines fitted in more expensive vehicles. Para mo na ring sinabing hindi uubra si Pacquiao kay Mike Tyson. If you wanna compare performance, keep it relative to either the vehicle choices in question, or with the direct competitors of the car.

And by the way, I'm not mixing my words. Impressive is relative, and the fact that the Ranger XLT makes more torque than its direct competition (according to price/feature set, listed above) is impressive to me. Admittedly, this is based off paper specs, but online reviews and feedback from several Ranger owners don't seem to indicate any shortage in performance.

[d_mac]

You keep forcing the 3.2L Ranger into the discussion, when all that's being discussed here is the 2.2 XLT, which competes with the Strada GLX-V, the Navara 4x2, the Colorado LT, the Hilux 2.5G, and the D-Max 4x2 LX.

There's also no mention of the 3.2L Ranger in the TS' choices, which are either the Ranger XLT, the Fortuner G, or the Forester 2.0XS.

Going back to the Ranger, malamang mas mahina yung Ranger sa 2.2 R-eVGT ng Sorento/Santa Fe. Mas mahina rin sa 1KD-FTV ng Fortuner, or sa mismong 3.2 ng Ranger. These are all more powerful engines fitted in more expensive vehicles. Para mo na ring sinabing hindi uubra si Pacquiao kay Mike Tyson. If you wanna compare performance, keep it relative to either the vehicle choices in question, or with the direct competitors of the car.

And by the way, I'm not mixing my words. Impressive is relative, and the fact that the Ranger XLT makes more torque than its direct competition (according to price/feature set, listed above) is impressive to me. Admittedly, this is based off paper specs, but online reviews and feedback from several Ranger owners don't seem to indicate any shortage in performance.

Ang dami mong sinabi naman sir, punong-puno pa ng conditions sa comparo haha, samantala nambobola ka lang pala, may pang-baha pang nalalaman at may Pacquiao pa haha! Boy, do you have the AUDACITY to talk about how the Ranger 2.2 is when in fact you haven't tried one yet.... Moreso, you haven't even tried any of these pickups in real offroad, so to speak.... English yan sir ah hehe

Kaya nga sabi ko wala naman bolahan sir.... Hirap sa atin gusto mo ikaw lang pogi eh, dapat lahat tayo pogi

[SiRbossR]

Nope sir, the new Ranger 2.2 litre is weak, to be honest, it's not torquey.... Manual pa mga gamit dito and there is an entry-level 2.2 variant and 3.2 litre dito sa workplace namin. Kuwentong barbero na yan - sakay naman si Sirbusabos (Sirboss) na ala din alam haha!

Ang malakas ay ang 3.2 litre, hindi yan ubod ng laki ng kaha na liit ng makina na 2.2 litre. "torquey enough" like you say doesn't mean "impressive" pare koy. Ano yan, inter-mixed ng adjectives.... Wala naman bolahan dito pare koy, hindi lahat ng tao pare koy mang-mang at nakiki-ride lang na parang walang isip gaya ni idol

pics or it didn't happen.

[d_mac]

The one that has the higher torque, 470 Nm, is the 5-straight cylinder 3.2-litre Ranger TDCi, not the 2.2-litre version. Malakas pa hatak ng 2.2 R-eVGT Santa Fe o Sorento diyan sa maliit na makinang Ranger na yan na ubod laki ng kaha.

[niky]

Hehe... best vehicle for flood protection? Buy an ancient Hilander or an old non-direct injection pick-up (take your pick, Hilux, Strada, Ranger) and stuff a snorkel on it.

Even though the Ranger is one of the most flood-worthy, when you're sunk, you're sunk. Si Rav5 dito sa forums, his house went under during Ondoy. He was thankful their cars were a Ranger and Everest (both TDCi)... because after the flood, they still started. Pero hassle pa rin... had to detail the interior, replace all the fluids and replace the dashboard. Didn't reach 150-250k pesos like Fortuner owners, but the cost was still well over 50,000 pesos each in terms of cleaning and reconditioning. Especially with the Everest, which had an automatic tranny.

The one that has the higher torque, 470 Nm, is the 5-straight cylinder 3.2-litre Ranger TDCi, not the 2.2-litre version. Malakas pa hatak ng 2.2 R-eVGT Santa Fe o Sorento diyan sa maliit na makinang Ranger na yan na ubod laki ng kaha.

That would actually mean something if Hyundai and Kia actually sold any pick-ups. As they don't, it doesn't.

[d_mac]

....That would actually mean something if Hyundai and Kia actually sold any pick-ups. As they don't, it doesn't....

Yup, you may put it that way and you may even conclude any scenario as factual, pero weakling pa rin si 2.2-litre Ranger pickup compared kay 2.2-litre Fe at Sorento, power-wise

Ayos ba sir, o ayos nalang Niky hehe

[timrev]

naging emotional attachment na nga...