Toyota Innova VVTi V.S. Innova D4d!!

[Innova G]

Helo po ulit. Yes, Nadelay ang pagkuha namin ng Innova pero I want to hear your opinions for the last time before we get one.(Most likely mid-november).

Round 1: Engine Performance
We all know na mas mataas Hp ng VVti version but lacks the torque compare to D4d the question is ano ba mas important?? Considering that Innova is a heavy vehicle.

Round 2: Gas/Diesel Consumption
Ndi lahat ng sasakyan na malakas sa gas e maganda ang performance and most like d2 e panalo ang diesel but does it perform better than a gas engine??

Round 3: Maintenance Cost
Anu ba mas mabilis imentain?? Ano mas mahal sa maintenance?

Round 4: Engine Quality
Life Span/Durability , Possible Malfunctions.

Round 5 Resale value
Cguro nga mas mataas ang resale ng diesel variant pero mga ilang percent cheaper ang gas variant compare to diesel variant.

Asahan ko po replies and opinions nyo. Your knowledge will greatly affect our decision to what kind of innova we should buy. Advance Thank You!!

[number001]

Round 1: Engine Performance
We all know na mas mataas Hp ng VVti version but lacks the torque compare to D4d the question is ano ba mas important?? Considering that Innova is a heavy vehicle.

Based on a short test drive at the Fort, the vvti (despite having lesser torque than a d4d) actually accelerates marginally quicker than the d4d. The d4d engine comes alive at 40kph and above.

[IMm29]

Hi number001,
Funny, my experience with the Innovas was the other way around. When given the test drive on a short strip in Filinvest, Alabang, I felt that the VVTi wasn't cutting it, whereas the D-4D was more responsive. Of course, I would think this was the case coz the strip was basically a series of short straights and curves put together to make a slalom type of a track. I wonder how these same engines would behave on the open road.

Round 2: There's a thread on this board about the consumption of the D-4D and the VVTi. Hands down the D-4D is thriftier, but then I still wonder how these engines are on open roads. I don't think the D-4D will be that much slower than the VVTi.

Round 3: Gas engines are more "forgiving" in the sense that they don't need as much maintenance as their diesel brethren. This is still the case here even if D-4D is newer diesel technology. I would give my vote to the VVTi.

Round 4: Well, some (or should i say many?) still believe that the CRDi engines can't handle our dirty diesel. Until this can be firmly established in the Philippine setting, I'd take the safe stand and go for the VVTi just to spare me the additional maintenance concerns.

[Bogeyman]

If you intend to haul stuff, value good fuel economy and plan on keeping your Innova for the next 100,000 kms or so, get the diesel variant. Otherwise, you're better off with the gas variant (or a car).

Round 3: Gas engines are more "forgiving" in the sense that they don't need as much maintenance as their diesel brethren.

Diesel engines last more than three times as long as gas engines before requiring a complete overhaul. Diesels can withstand greater internal stress, and they don't require as much parts i.e. spark plugs. The only disadvantage to diesel engines is their initial acquisition cost, but this is mainly due to their sturdier construction.

[mazdamazda]

Take one look at this thread:

Toyota D4D Woes

VVTi is the way to go. Hehe...

[pixelparadigm]

I could only say about gas vs diesel engines (vvti vs d4d for this matter) is that... you get better realistic acceleration in the d4d (who the hell always launch from idle to redline?). Highway acceleration usually goes from 60kph to 100kph.

[larshell]

For me D4d suck! Yes D4d is resposive kung mapaander mo!

[Bogeyman]

That's the thing about D-4D; it's still new tech, therefore it still has a long way to go to prove itself.

Wala pa ring tatalo sa 4D56...

[leinahtan]

For me D4d suck! Yes D4d is resposive kung mapaander mo!

Yeah, it sux!! BTW gaano kalakas ung back sensor alarm against a running D4D engine?

[wilcats]

were happy with our innova d4d unit. its really better than our crosswind in all aspects. less engine noise/vibrations, and its fast!

[wilcats]

so far wla nman saming problem during cold starts. still one click start... well i guess were lucky we got a good unit.

[larshell]

That's the thing about D-4D; it's still new tech, therefore it still has a long way to go to prove itself.

Wala pa ring tatalo sa 4D56...

Kung sa patibayan i agree wd you.

[number001]

Hi number001,
Funny, my experience with the Innovas was the other way around. When given the test drive on a short strip in Filinvest, Alabang, I felt that the VVTi wasn't cutting it, whereas the D-4D was more responsive. Of course, I would think this was the case coz the strip was basically a series of short straights and curves put together to make a slalom type of a track. I wonder how these same engines would behave on the open road.

At that temporarily made course at the Fort, speeds of 80kph and above can be easily attained at the striaght. The D-4D felt really restrained even if it is already "pedal-to-the-floor". I believe any speeds below 60 kph or is it 40kph, the D-4D would feel quite sluggish and unbelievably unresponsive (but very tolerable). Unlike the D-4D, the vvt-i is very responsive the very second the pedals are hit. To sum it up, if acceleration (or the feel of it) is very important then the vvti engine tops the bill. As with all else, not considering its recent reliability issues, D-4D is the contender to get.

Ps: the sales agent who "escorted" both Innova(s) that I drove, declared that "kung arangkada, panalo talaga ang vvti sa D-4D".

[Bogeyman]

If that's the case, why even bother marketing the D-4D, if they claim that the VVTi engine has more torque?

[squala]

It's generally accepted that diesels are more expensive to maintain but consume less fuel. When the price of diesel started to go up such that it's already less than 2 pesos cheaper than gasoline, drivers were furious. My cousin thought of buying a gasoline Innova instead of a diesel because of this. And considering the demand for better quality diesel for today's high-tech engines like D4-D and CRD-i, I personally believe the VVTi version should be less of a headache.

[basti08]

That's the thing about D-4D; it's still new tech, therefore it still has a long way to go to prove itself.

Wala pa ring tatalo sa 4D56...

for a car its kind (AUV) i'd pick a diesel... ang diesel andar kung andar...
kayod kung kayod...MATIBAY!
i just wonder if this newbie d4d can beat the all-time veteran 4d56 when it comes to reliability?

[Heretic]

Round 1: Engine Performance
According to a test conducted by c! Magazine, the diesel took 16.70 seconds to reach the 100km/h mark while it took the gas variant 15.41 seconds. If the difference does not mean much to you, and if the Innova is going to be used more as a utility vehicle, the torque would come in handy.
D4D

Round 2: Gas/Diesel Consumption
D4D

Round 3: Maintenance Cost
Diesel engines can withstand more beating compared to gasoline engines but if the D4D "horror stories" show consistency among the majority of the diesel variants, VVT-i gets my vote.

Round 4: Engine Quality
Too early to tell but if the D4D "horror stories" show consistency among the majority of the diesel variants, VVT-i gets my vote.

Round 5 Resale value
I'm inclined to give my nod to the diesel variant, but again, if the D4D "horror stories" show consistency among the majority of the diesel variants, expect a drop in the D4D's resale value.

[leinahtan]

so far wla nman saming problem during cold starts. still one click start... well i guess were lucky we got a good unit.

Is it a matter of choice or a matter of luck or both? * Innova G, I guess you're bent on getting the D4D. Well, I wish you luck.

[andre]

VVTi vs. D4D is just like gas vs. diesel.
If you want less noise, less vibration, less smelly fumes, quick accelerations then get a VVTi. It's already a proven engine.
If you always haul many people, wants a good fuel economy vehicle, but doesn't mind the fumes, noise & a little vibration. Then get the D4D. Althought with the D4D woes. I think D4D still have to prove itself.

[jim]

Sa sitwasyon na ito gusti ko VVTi kesa D4D. Iwas muna talaga ako sa CRDi dahil sa quality talaga ng diesel dito sa atin. Kaya hanggang ngayon wala pa rin akong kaplano-planong bumili ng CRDi-based vehicle. Pag naayos na lahat, I will get a gas variant na (pero hindi Innova ha hehehehe). Halos parehas na rin kasi ang presyo ng diesel sa gas.