cheapest car than can make 160whp

[tuwato]

what's the cheapest n/a car that can make at least 160whp?
how much would it cost to build it?

[ghosthunter]

what's the cheapest n/a car that can make at least 160whp?
how much would it cost to build it?

Stock or modified?

[ghosthunter]

If modified:

Sentra B14 with SR20DE with SAFC or piggyback programmable ECU and some dyno tuning time.

You can buy one with SR20DE already installed at P155,000






http://z11.invisionfree.com/clubniss...showtopic=3551

BTW, the car in the pic is already sold but you can check the Sentra car club forums for other listings.


http://www.clubnissansentra.tk/

http://sentraclubph.tk/

[niky]

The question is what your qualifications are... minimum age... whether it has to be the stock engine... etcetera... and then... how much above that you're willing to spend to hit 160 whp. And what dyno you want to hit 160whp on. Autotechnika's is very generous... because the extra driveline drag from the wheels is eliminated. Autoplus's is very stingy... the inertial roller is also affected by wheel size and slip. Speedlab's is between the two... but closer to Autoplus in terms of readings.

A Sentra with an SR20 swap can hit 150 whp with relatively simply mods, as per Ghosthunter's car, 160 whp will take cams, some headwork and stiffer valvesprings.

A Corolla with a Blacktop 20V 4AGE can probably get to 160 whp with a little less work... but the blacktop is reportedly a little more difficult to tune with a piggyback.

A Honda with a B16 can hit 150 even before you get engine management mods. It can hit 160 whp relatively easily, but costs more.

A Sentra with an SR20VE swap can make a heck of a lot more... around 170 whp stock and 190-200 whp modified, and will cost just the same as an old Civic with a B16A swap.

A Mitsubishi with a 2.0 V6 swap makes more than 150 whp... no mods. Dean of the local mitsubishi club had his car dyno'd at 150 whp... still over 1000 rpm from the redline, with a lifting headgasket... with an automatic transmission.. Terrific engine... kinda sucky 4-speed automatic. With a manual, it would probably be 160-170 whp stock.

Oh... and the Mitsubishi V6 sounds wonderful. :hysterical:

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Beyond those choices... puro mahal na... a Civic with a Type-R K20 will make 190 whp... no other modifications. But the engine itself costs more than most of the car projects listed above. A Lynx with the JDM 2.5 liter Mazda V6 can also make 170-180 whp... with lots more torque than these other engines, but nobody has done this swap yet... though I've seen someone try this swap on a 626.

[basti08]

of course, a 99-00 Civic SiR. stock 160hp.

[ghosthunter]

of course, a 99-00 Civic SiR. stock 160hp.

Nope... 160hp is NOT 160whp.

My Sentra dishes out over 150 Wheel HP which is more than 160 hp of stock Civic SiR.

[tuwato]

^ wow, your de must have been heavily modded.

i heard that de's are more "tunable" and more responsive compared to ve's?

[tuwato]

btw, are toyota high performance engines cheaper compared to the other manufacturers?

[ghosthunter]

^ wow, your de must have been heavily modded.

My engine is not even close to being heavy modded. Typical K&N cone intake, headers and exhaust works, APEXi S-AFC, water/methanol injection kit and tuning on a Speedlab's dyno. Can't be any simpler than that.

i heard that de's are more "tunable" and more responsive compared to ve's?

Yes, a lot of potential plus a lot of parts available in the aftermarket. Consider also that VE engines are rare and aftermarket parts for them are few as well.

[ghosthunter]

btw, are toyota high performance engines cheaper compared to the other manufacturers?

Depends on what engine you asking about. 4AGE 20V silvertop is affordable but the black top version is more expensive. The 3SG series can be very expensive as well.

BTW, advantage of the SR20DE is the bigger torque with a 2.0L engine compared to the high reving 1.6L performance engines.

[actor21]

ano po ang pinag kaiba ng WHP sa HP?

[ghosthunter]

ano po ang pinag kaiba ng WHP sa HP?

HP typical refers to the engine output. This does not yet include power losses through the alternator, pumps, transmission and tire to road.

WHP (or wheel horsepower) refers to the HP measured by a dyno from the tires/wheels of the car. So this measurement is the real world HP of your car which already includes all the parasitic losses of the engine accessories as well as by the transmission.

By example:
Civic SiR = 160hp; but it might only be getting 125whp
My Sentra SR20DE = 153whp; calculating for losses, my engine produces between 170hp to 180hp.

[basti08]

Oops I see. sorry my bad, i know the difference between whp and bhp, overlooked that one (that was looking for Whp).

[actor21]

thanks GH, anak ng kuwago napaisip tuloy ako sa HP ng Vios ko hehehe malamang nasa 80 lang yun

[ssaloon]

Want a little more than 160whp? Try looking for a 6G Galant with a 4G63T slapped in it :evillaugh

[ghosthunter]

Want a little more than 160whp? Try looking for a 6G Galant with a 4G63T slapped in it :evillaugh

Same thing if I slap in a turbocharged SR20DET or simply add a turbo to my existing SR20DE into my sentra. That's over 200hp stock and 250hp+ just with simple tuning mods.

[niky]

Ferman says the VE did 190whp on their dyno... which is a fair bit better than our cars...

My Lynx RS peaked at 152 whp... but that's a lot of mods... the RS's engine is focused primarily on low-end torque, so making more top end out of it (especially as we can't make the rev-limit eliminator work on it) is difficult. GH's Sentra... 153 whp and 7500 rpm. Mine? 148-152 whp at 6500. It's a lot more difficult to make more power at lower rpms. Here's hoping that I can take my clubmate's high compression pistons if he goes turbo, and shoot for 160. And if that fails... I'll cheat... I can get an alcohol kit like GH's and get an extra 5-10 whp.

Want a little more than 160whp? Try looking for a 6G Galant with a 4G63T slapped in it :evillaugh

Silence, Civic boy! Bet you miss it, huh?

[tuwato]

the "de" really has lots of potential.

the RS' engine also doesn't stay behind producing 152whp and can still be upped, nice. I didn't know the rs has a torquey engine.

btw, can the alcohol kit be installed to NA cars? (I thought it was just for turbo cars since I saw one installed on a 4efte, I heard that he even puts gsm blue on his methanol injection)


*EQAddict - I saw a supercharger kit for the jazz, combined with some mods might bring the 1.5 to 150hp. I just don't know if it's safe though

[ghosthunter]

the RS' engine also doesn't stay behind producing 152whp and can still be upped, nice. I didn't know the rs has a torquey engine.

The RS engine is good but requires a lot of TLC to avoid blowing it up.

btw, can the alcohol kit be installed to NA cars? (I thought it was just for turbo cars since I saw one installed on a 4efte, I heard that he even puts gsm blue on his methanol injection)

It can be used on N/A engines but the power gains would be minimal at best as I have experienced. It is really worth the money only if you have a turbo engine.

[emms1121]

Sir GH, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Napaisip isip tuloy ako na idispose na si GSR at gayahin ko set up mo. Anyway, I'm a nissan believer. My other car is a nissan ( livina ).