Car Sales Data (2017)

[niky]

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Bro.,- but I understand earlier that you're pitching for the Ertiga...

BRV - there's something there that does not look right. And also, a short stride compared to the Mobilio...

BRV - maybe it's a bit too narrow? I like the looks a lot better. And it's a bit longer, as well.

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RE: Ertiga: Hahaha... Mobilio is "right" priced.

Ertiga is dirt cheap.

The Ertiga, fit and finish and interior trail the Mobilio badly, though it does seem more economical in traffic. Still, if you're going for a higher end model, anyway, go for the Honda. If you want to save, get the base Ertiga, better buy than the Avanza.

That's why the Toyota Badge effectively changes the curve of the game....

They've done that earlier with the Avanza,- and then now, the Wigo,- both Daihatsus.....

Market re-branding?

Make it a Toyota and it will sell like hotcakes at least here in our country.

Now, how about Daihatsu Terios (to compete with Ecosport),- when will they bring this in the Philippines? - this is another sure winner....

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"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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I would have thought that bringing in Daihatsu models would backfire... considering the worse fit and finish and possible quality niggles (have heard sporadic complaints)... but apparently, the brand name really is bulletproof... for now, at least.

The Terios would probably kill the competition. The question is: How bad will the brand dilution be? Will those tens of thousands of Wigo owners go for another Toyota when their lease is up and it's time to sell? Or will they go for another brand for higher perceived quality?

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niky,

Wala ba plano honda philippines ibalik civic ek or s.i.r ?

Kasi nagsasayang lang sila ng oras sa brio.......

Eh 21 years na dami pa din naka vti..... Yung kasabayan nya big body corolla waley na ako makita....

Sa manual trans almost bullet proof wala kailangan baguhin except for the trailing arm bushing..... Pero sa matic need to change kasi takaw eh.....

Para mabuhay ulit brooom broooom scene dito pinas.... Greenhills...Libis tambay tambay......Angas angasan.....rebolusyon rebolusyon....

Eh toyota pinipilit yung vios cup..... Baduy..... Walang arrive...

Ibalik nila s.i.r.......Sold out agad yan at the right price.....

[uls]

niky,

Wala ba plano honda philippines ibalik civic ek or s.i.r ?

Kasi nagsasayang lang sila ng oras sa brio.......

Eh 21 years na dami pa din naka vti..... Yung kasabayan nya big body corolla waley na ako makita....

Sa manual trans almost bullet proof wala kailangan baguhin except for the trailing arm bushing..... Pero sa matic need to change kasi takaw eh.....

Para mabuhay ulit brooom broooom scene dito pinas.... Greenhills...Libis tambay tambay......Angas angasan.....rebolusyon rebolusyon....

Eh toyota pinipilit yung vios cup..... Baduy..... Walang arrive...

Ibalik nila s.i.r.......Sold out agad yan at the right price.....

hahaha

vtec yo

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stock EK LXi run-what-you-brung walang sinabi mga modified sh#t

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mga grupo yan ilan beses paikot-ikot sa greenhills....maglalabanan ng rebolusyon....

Pero ganda rin kasi ng ek body.... Perfect width...length..... Kargahan ko lang ng BBS mags tapos na laban. hahahahahah

[uls]

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dati kami barkada 3 identical na white SiR, 1 lancer itlog na 4G63 turbo (mine)

weekends ikot sa mindanao ave, ortigas, libis

lagi hinahamon ng karera mga kasama ko

pero walang humahamon sakin (kita kasi intercooler sa harap hehe)

[minicarph]

ganun car mo dati yan mga lancer itlog na may hoodscoop, eewww. malamang may all-around skirt pa yan, double eeew

[CVT]

The Terios would probably kill the competition. The question is: How bad will the brand dilution be? Will those tens of thousands of Wigo owners go for another Toyota when their lease is up and it's time to sell? Or will they go for another brand for higher perceived quality?

Bro. agree that product/market positioning and the resulting brand dilution is a big consideration. And so, they should assign bigger margins tothe perceived major sellers.

And the changing landscape of market sentiment.

Bring in the Terios and price it right to claim that segment of the market....

[myas110]

The Wigo is a Daihatsu. It doesn't share anything with other Toyotas locally sold. Even the engine is only sold in the Wigo, and the new one is VVTi, which means it is slightly different to the first-gen. (Celerio engine is an update, but it still retains the same valvetrain and other major parts).

I have read somewhere that the new engine of the Wigo is not developed by Daihatsu but by Perodua (Toyota's partner in Malaysia)

so, if a vehicle sold does not have a shared platform, do we see problems if makakaproblema ang nasabing sasakyan?

[dr. d]

I have read somewhere that the new engine of the Wigo is not developed by Daihatsu but by Perodua (Toyota's partner in Malaysia)

so, if a vehicle sold does not have a shared platform, do we see problems if makakaproblema ang nasabing sasakyan?

no one holds the patent to good design and build quality.
just because it's not a toyota or other brand thru and thru, does not mean it is prone to breakdown.

[jamesdeakins]

no one holds the patent to good design and build quality.
just because it's not a toyota or other brand thru and thru, does not mean it is prone to breakdown.

the most important of owning vehicle is the availability of parts as long their plenty of parts in the market the prices will definitely be cheaper

[Janemar]

the most important of owning vehicle is the availability of parts as long their plenty of parts in the market the prices will definitely be cheaper

Not always the case...

I own a 2005 Hyundai Matrix crdi. I bet you never even heard of it?! They were joking me only 10 units were ever sold in the Philippines. LOL.

Cost of my PMS parts and others I replaced, 300k Kms and still running strong... FYI;

1. Air Filter - 120(oem)
2. Cabin F. - 150(oem)
3. Oil F.(element type) - 180(orig hyundai)
4. Fuel Filter - 800(orig H)
5. Brake shoe rear - 600(oem)
6. Front pads - 1.1k(oem)
7. Rear wheel bearing assy. - 1.5k(orig)
8. Front shock - 1.8k(orig)
9. Rear shock -1.4k(orig)
10. Thermostat - 800(orig)
11. alternator = 6k(orig)
12. a/c compressor = 9k(orig)
13. Side mirror assy. with power motor = 1.5k(orig)
14. Windshield laminated - 5.5k(oem)
15. Driver side door glass - 900(oem)
16. Rear quarter glass - 500(oem)
17. Stab link - 150(oem)
18. Lower arm bushing - 150(orig)
19. Tie rod - 500(oem)
20. Rack end - 700(oem)
21. Ball joint - 250(oem)

From Fronte/VGT or Seiring or other random stores in Banawe.

[kagalingan]

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Eh same engine ata yan ng 1st gen accent diesel


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[Janemar]

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Eh same engine ata yan ng 1st gen accent diesel


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Engine is same but I never replaced a single part from it since day 1.

Also, only items #

3. Oil filter
4. Fuel F. (Same with 2006/07 crdi starex)
11. Alternator
12. A/C Comp

Is interchangeable from the accent / straex. The rest, all exclusive to matrix and not interchangeable kahit sa other models.

[Janemar]

Not always the case...

I own a 2005 Hyundai Matrix crdi. I bet you never even heard of it?! They were joking me only 10 units were ever sold in the Philippines. LOL.

Cost of my PMS parts and others I replaced, 300k Kms and still running strong... FYI;

1. Air Filter - 120(oem)
2. Cabin F. - 150(oem)
3. Oil F.(element type) - 180(orig hyundai)
4. Fuel Filter - 800(orig H)
5. Brake shoe rear - 600(oem)
6. Front pads - 1.1k(oem)
7. Rear wheel bearing assy. - 1.5k(orig)
8. Front shock - 1.8k(orig)
9. Rear shock -1.4k(orig)
10. Thermostat - 800(orig)
11. alternator = 6k(orig)
12. a/c compressor = 9k(orig)
13. Side mirror assy. with power motor = 1.5k(orig)
14. Windshield laminated - 5.5k(oem)
15. Driver side door glass - 900(oem)
16. Rear quarter glass - 500(oem)
17. Stab link - 150(oem)
18. Lower arm bushing - 150(orig)
19. Tie rod - 500(oem)
20. Rack end - 700(oem)
21. Ball joint - 250(oem)

From Fronte/VGT or Seiring or other random stores in Banawe.

Add ko lang engine support, again purely used for matrix, not interchangeable with other slanted H badge vehicles.

22. Rear engine support - 1.3k(orig) (crdi model, iba price/design for gas model.)
23. Front engine - 500(orig)
24. Left and right - 1.5k and 1k res.(orig)

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Mura nga price ah.....

Meron ako nakita nagtataxi lagpas isang dosena sa garahe puro diesel accent....

Pag major parts sa mismo makina may idea ka sa price?

[niky]

I have read somewhere that the new engine of the Wigo is not developed by Daihatsu but by Perodua (Toyota's partner in Malaysia)

so, if a vehicle sold does not have a shared platform, do we see problems if makakaproblema ang nasabing sasakyan?

If it doesn't share platforms and engines, then the vaunted "Toyota durability" does not necessarily apply.

Ergo: Hindi naman siya "tunay" na Toyota.

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Do not base decisions on the brand, but on the product. For example, the Daewoo Racer, Espero and Prince were based on Opel designs... durability and maintenance were a nightmare. The Daewoo Matiz was a second-generation product built around a Suzuki engine... it was durable and dependable enough for the Chinese to copy it wholesale to create the Chery QQ and various other clones.

Ford: Lynx was based on Mazda architecture. Pretty easy to maintain. Focus is based on the European Focus, parts availability is an issue, despite it being newer.

This is not to say that the Wigo and Avanza are junk... but don't think they're indestructible just because of the badge.

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And just because they're Toyota, doesn't mean parts are everywhere. And vice versa, just because something is not from a major brand, doesn't mean parts are hard to find.

Then there's platform and engine sharing come in.

If you realize, for example, that the Volvo C30 2.0 uses the exact same suspension mounts, engine, transmission and computer box as the Ford Focus, then you're not limited to looking for parts at European specialists.

I'm pretty sure you can get a Tein suspension for the Mazda3 to fit the C30/S40 platform. It fits on the Focus with very minor modification.

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I buy minor parts for my Lynx from Kia/Mazda suppliers, since many of them are the same.

[myas110]

I understand na hindi "Toyota" and Wigo and Avanza, therefore concluding na Daihatsu talaga sila (but they're under Toyota na) and rebadged it to a Toyota since wala namang presence ang Daihatsu dito sa atin. But I wonder, may issue ba sa ibang bansa (outside the Asian continent that sells Avanza) if the said vehicle is not really a Toyota?

Yung sa case ng Mercedes-Benz MB100 and MB140, are they rebadged as well? Ang alam ko is, originally SsyangYong Istana siya.

[dr. d]

I understand na hindi "Toyota" and Wigo and Avanza, therefore concluding na Daihatsu talaga sila (but they're under Toyota na) and rebadged it to a Toyota since wala namang presence ang Daihatsu dito sa atin. But I wonder, may issue ba sa ibang bansa (outside the Asian continent that sells Avanza) if the said vehicle is not really a Toyota?

Yung sa case ng Mercedes-Benz MB100 and MB140, are they rebadged as well? Ang alam ko is, originally SsyangYong Istana siya.

toyota owns daihatsu. so argueably, daihatsu is a toyota. but i know what you mean.

i have a wigo. it's been a boring ownership experience for some years now. it just lugs on like a carabao. uncomplaining...

[niky]

I understand na hindi "Toyota" and Wigo and Avanza, therefore concluding na Daihatsu talaga sila (but they're under Toyota na) and rebadged it to a Toyota since wala namang presence ang Daihatsu dito sa atin. But I wonder, may issue ba sa ibang bansa (outside the Asian continent that sells Avanza) if the said vehicle is not really a Toyota?

Yung sa case ng Mercedes-Benz MB100 and MB140, are they rebadged as well? Ang alam ko is, originally SsyangYong Istana siya.

I personally don't care (having owned several badge-engineered cars already).

But some people might.

Like I said: Buying decision should be based on the car itself, not the brand.

For me, the Avanza/Wigo aren't quite as good as the Innova/Vios.

That said, they're much, much cheaper, and there are few major problems with them, anyway, so it's not so dangerous to put down money on them.

[Ry_Tower]

I've had the Avanza, yes it is not as durable as the Innova but as Niky pointed out, they are much cheaper also. So value for money, it is still a win for consumers that is why wigo is such a seller even though the Mirage is way better overall. Nadala talaga ng Toyota badge ang wigo.