Brand new car for 800k

[scharnhorst]

DOUBLE POST. sorry.

[number001]

1.5G MT is still listed on Toyota's price list.

VIOS 1.5 G A/T Php795,000.00
VIOS 1.5 G A/T (w/ Leather) Php831,000.00
VIOS 1.5 G M/T Php760,000.00


uu nga noh sir? now ko lang napansin to, when we bought our vios 1.5G AT, wala pang MT sa 1.5L, puro sa 1.3 lang. thanks for the info. or baka alang available noon? basta di ko alam hehehe

we bought the 1.5G at (w/leather seats)

FYI, there has always been a 1.5G m/t since this Vios was released out in Aug 2007.

www_motioncars_com drives Toyota Vios 1_5 G M-T

Review: Toyota Vios 1.5 G

[aejhayl17]

FYI, there has always been a 1.5G m/t since this Vios was released out in Aug 2007.

www_motioncars_com drives Toyota Vios 1_5 G M-T

Review: Toyota Vios 1.5 G

thanks sir, i stand corrected. i was misinformed kase that the 2nd gen vios does not have a MT on the 1.5L G variant. thanks again.

[dr. d]

lugging along a wheelchair? then get a station wagon. nissan livina. otherwise, you may wind up having to leave someone behind for the wheelchair to fit. or bring along an elastic rope to keep the rear hood down...
otherwise, you may have to test drive each one of your choices.

[niky]

*niky: any plans to review the cruze on bigbigcar?

Love to if we can get one. We were invited to the launch. I don't know if the crew managed to negotiate a test-drive.

[scharnhorst]

Apparently, the cruze is being recalled in Korea concerning the loss of power steering.

http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/3197...Korean+Recalls

*niky: does the 1.8 motor on the focus feel strained against its weight? C! felt the higher output motor on the cruze still struggled, despite it being lighter by some kilos. But I guess nothing would beat an actual drive

* dr. d.: Might drop by nissan and mitsubishi too (but thing is, the person who's going to shell out the cash isn't too fond of nissan due to past experiences with the brand). Gonna have to scout for dealerships later.

[niky]

Apparently, the cruze is being recalled in Korea concerning the loss of power steering.

http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/3197...Korean+Recalls

*niky: does the 1.8 motor on the focus feel strained against its weight? C! felt the higher output motor on the cruze still struggled, despite it being lighter by some kilos. But I guess nothing would beat an actual drive

* dr. d.: Might drop by nissan and mitsubishi too (but thing is, the person who's going to shell out the cash isn't too fond of nissan due to past experiences with the brand). Gonna have to scout for dealerships later.

The Focus 1.8 doesn't feel strained by the weight... at least not in manual form. The 1.8 MT has punchy performance, since the Duratec/MZR has better low-down torque than the Honda 1.8 (heck, even though it's an automatic, the Focus 2.0 AT sometimes surprises me with its willing surge of power when overtaking). It's breathless at higher rpms compared to the Honda, though... understandable since it's only 122 hp.

1.8 AT takes around 12 seconds to hit 100 km/h. MT should be around ten and a half. from the feel of it. Not spectacular performance, but not terrible. About half-a-second slower than the Cruze 1.8 AT (claimed 11.5), but maybe the Cruze is programmed more for high rpm power than low-down torque, like the Honda is.

[scharnhorst]

*niky: thanks.

ford claims that the DOE fuel economy testing for the 1.8 style returned 16 kilometers to the liter. so I'm guessing the 13 figure might be realistic after all

just went around dealerships earlier.

a couple of things:

1) the cruze L variant won't be available until the end of april. ganda ng interior-black with some gray fabrics, even on the dashboard. the metal used on the cruze doesn't sound tinny, parang sa focus. but the focus seems to have "heavier" doors. cruze also has a third headrest for the rear seats

2) the mazda2 sedan's trunk space doesn't seem too much smaller from that of the city. and the rear seats fold forward for more cargo space

3) the mazda2 is available in two more colors: red and blue(ata). they're just not in the brochure

4) grand livina doesn't have vents for the rear passengers

5) tanned yung sales reps ng ford libis. random

dealerships visited:
Ford Libis
Nissan Q. Ave
Mazda Q. Ave
Honda Q. Ave
Mazda Q. Ave

[aejhayl17]

what happened to TQA po sir? hehehe nagdisappear?

[scharnhorst]

what happened to TQA po sir? hehehe nagdisappear?

sa toyota commonwealth ako titingin bukas, we purchased our innova there

still have to look at the altis and the vios..

might also check out the accent

[aejhayl17]

sa toyota commonwealth ako titingin bukas, we purchased our innova there

may point ka sir. mas gusto ko pre/post sales service ng TCW. we purchased our vios there. wala kasing stock ang TQA noon eh. pero sa TCW, kinabukasan na deliver na sa bahay.

[scharnhorst]

may point ka sir. mas gusto ko pre/post sales service ng TCW. we purchased our vios there. wala kasing stock ang TQA noon eh. pero sa TCW, kinabukasan na deliver na sa bahay.

malapit pa sa amin. hehe.

We have a somewhat weird situation here - the car needs to be in between 750k and 800k, in order to avail of BPI's free insurance (which they give if at least 600k yung loan after a 20% downpayment).

if the car is less than 750k, (i.e. the city/vios/mazda2) could anything be done to "bump up" the price?

[Horsepower]

IMO, the only good deal in the VIOS line is the 1.3E.

Have you also considered Civic 1.8V (858k)? I'm sure BPI would be more than happy to accommodate since their mother company owns Honda dealerships. Super compacts (Vios, City) are super bad deals when they exceed 600K (IMO).

[scharnhorst]

IMO, the only good deal in the VIOS line is the 1.3E.

Have you also considered Civic 1.8V (858k)? I'm sure BPI would be more than happy to accommodate since their mother company owns Honda dealerships. Super compacts (Vios, City) are super bad deals when they exceed 600K (IMO).

my father doesn't want to shell out more than 800k ("50k is just not 50k") ... so bye bye grand livina, cruze LS/LT, civic and any focus or altis variant that isn't the style/trend or E

among the subcompacts, less than 600k would bag the i10, getz , alto, picanto, or even the qq - none of which are big enough.

[Horsepower]

Di ikaw na lang magpuno ng 50k sir para naman sa iyong nanay e. hehehe.

Anyway, kung no choice talaga, I'd go with Honda City on this one. I have driven both Vios (1.3 and 1.5) and City (1.3) and mas gusto ko ang City by a long mile although admittedly, mas mabilis ang launch ng vios (ewan ko kung bakit). City feels powerless pag nag pedal-to-the-metal ka from dead stop.

Sa SCTEX din, sa City, ewan ko kung sira ang speedo (although malabo since bago yun), at 120kmh, parang 40kmh lang takbo ko (or perhaps it's because wala akong masyado point of reference sa velocity or maganda lang talaga suspension ng City.

If your mom really needs the cargo bay, Jazz. Sobrang tagtag lang talaga. hehe

Pero I'd really go for Livina. Great ride, fuel economy, tapos space.

[scharnhorst]

Di ikaw na lang magpuno ng 50k sir para naman sa iyong nanay e. hehehe.

Anyway, kung no choice talaga, I'd go with Honda City on this one. I have driven both Vios (1.3 and 1.5) and City (1.3) and mas gusto ko ang City by a long mile although admittedly, mas mabilis ang launch ng vios (ewan ko kung bakit). City feels powerless pag nag pedal-to-the-metal ka from dead stop.

Sa SCTEX din, sa City, ewan ko kung sira ang speedo (although malabo since bago yun), at 120kmh, parang 40kmh lang takbo ko (or perhaps it's because wala akong masyado point of reference sa velocity or maganda lang talaga suspension ng City.

If your mom really needs the cargo bay, Jazz. Sobrang tagtag lang talaga. hehe

Pero I'd really go for Livina. Great ride, fuel economy, tapos space.

I'm in one of those post-graduate fields that don't allow for any employment. Still tied down to my parents

The vios probably has more low-end torque than the 1.3 on the city, that's why it feels peppier than the city from a standstill.

couldn't get out today (coding) so I inspected a neigbor's vios G. No auxiliary input for the audio system. And the center gauges will take some getting used to. I also expected the vios to share the dashboard components with the yaris, apparently not. hehe. I hope it shares the same drive, though

Will still have to drop by toyota for the altis, though

[Horsepower]

With the Altis being included in the Toyota hitlist of crappy cars, I'd strike it out of my list esp if it's for my mother. hehe

[aejhayl17]

isa lang pansin ko sa vios G namen ah, compared to my 9th gen altis. sumobra dame ng drink stand. as in nagkalat sa buong interior.

fave ko yung "leather wrap" na steering wheel with audio controls. the interiors does not look cheap imho.

[niky]

RE: Fuel economy: 16 km/l on the NLEX is believeable. Manual transmission 2.0s can hit that easily if you hold 80 km/h.

Have gotten over 18 km/l in straight highway driving with the Civic 1.8 MT on the SLEX. Might actually be able to hit 20 km/l on the NLEX if I drive it more economically.

[scharnhorst]

*aejhayl17: yung leathered na vios G ba yung sa inyo?

*Horsepower: I've no problems with the stuck accelerators, Denso units naman yung nandito sa Pinas. The ZZ sludging, however, is very real, and it's a concern regarding the altis. Renders the point of fully synthetic oils moot kung papalitan yung oil every 5k...

I've concerns with each of the choices... for the bigger cars:

with the altis, it's that sludging

with the focus it's the fuel consumption

with the cruze, it's unit availability, fuel consumption, that power steering recall, and the maintenance cost that some forumers have described as "BMW-priced"

*niky: so there'll be not much difference between the consumption of the M/T focus and civic (with its "economy of a 1.6" mantra)? By the way, I seem to notice on every focus I see on the road, there's some degree of camber on the rear wheels... is this the effect of being so top heavy (1,320 kg!?!)?

though I'm sure whatever it will be, it's going to have pretty low mileage...