Any Genesis Coupe competitor?

[leopaul]

I need some competitors that are against the Genesis Coupe in terms of pricing or performance. Anyone had in mind?

[speed unlimited]

Hyundai Genesis coupe VS Infinity G37.
Styling
The Genesis coupe’s doors have two distinctly carved lines — one trailing off the front fenders, the other headed for the taillights — and the smartly executed trunk needs no spoiler to spice it up. The G37 looks cleaner but gentler, with upscale touches like a chrome lip atop the trunk and painted tailpipe surroundings. It needs a spoiler to look best, though.
My chief knock against the Genesis is the black plastic that’s everywhere: It’s in the grille, around the oblong tailpipes and inside the massive front air dam. The G37 dresses those areas up with chrome, paints them over or at the very least doesn’t make them so obvious.
The Genesis redeems itself with its wheels: The 19-inch, twin-spoke alloys on the show car had an expensive-looking dark silver finish. The G37 at the show had the Sport package’s wheels, an Infiniti representative told me. Even so, they didn’t prove quite as eye-catching.
Winner: Genesis Coupe, by a smidge
Interior
The Genesis coupe wins a few points here. The window switches have elegant clarity, the steering-wheel buttons are easier to discern than Infiniti’s mass of switches, and the woven headliner is softer than the G37’s stiff-feeling turf. In most other places, though, there isn’t much of a contest; the turn signal stalks lack the G37’s precise consistency, the doors and dashboard have hard plastics where Infiniti places handsomer materials, and typical features like a telescoping steering wheel and extendable sun visors are MIA.
Bear in mind that the auto show cars were early, preproduction models, so Hyundai may fix some of these issues before the cars hit dealerships. In its current state, the Genesis coupe still seems a bit rough around the edges.
Winner: G37
Seating & Storage
Where the G37’s dash seems to wrap closely around the driver, the Genesis coupe’s cockpit feels airier. Indeed, headroom seems better in the Hyundai (both cars had moonroofs), and the glove compartment and center console are much deeper. The cupholders in both cars sit behind the transmission, which gets in the way of manual shifting, but the G37’s seem like a worse offense — they’re positioned across the whole center tunnel, while the Genesis coupe’s are offset slightly to the right.
Expectedly, the G37’s seats had a higher grade of leather than the seats in the Genesis coupe, which felt somewhat rubbery in comparison. The backrests in both cars were too stiff for me, even with the lumbar support dialed all the way down. Neither backseat is a place I’d relish spending my time in, but the G37 at least allowed me to put my knees against the front seats. In the Genesis coupe, I had to spread ‘em to each side.
Winner: Tie
Performance?
Of course, static comparisons don’t mean much in performance cars like these. Thanks to a smooth-revving V-6 and one of the best manual transmissions out there, the G37 is a formidable competitor. I can’t speak to the Genesis coupe’s abilities, but this much I do know: According to preliminary specs, its 3.8-liter V-6 makes 306 hp and 263 pounds-feet of torque (310 hp with premium fuel). Both figures are short of the G37’s 330 hp and 270 pounds-feet, but the Hyundai achieves peak power at slightly lower rpm, which means you won’t rev to quite the heights you do in the G37. Last but not least, the V-6 Genesis coupe weighs a crucial 119 pounds less (3,549 versus 3,668) than a six-speed-manual G37 — not enough to bridge the power deficiency, but enough to significantly narrow the gap.
In the static contest, the G37 emerges a winner — though in typical Hyundai fashion, when pricing is released the Genesis coupe will probably smoke all contenders when it comes to overall value. As we often say after an auto show, stay tuned for when we get some seat time.

[noobskie]

Nothing really comes close in the price/performance of the Hyundai Genesis here in the Philippines. Probably the MX-5 is the closest I can think of but that's worth 2M and it has a puny engine that will be shamed by the 2.0T Genesis, much more by the 3.8 V6.

[ghosthunter]

I need some competitors that are against the Genesis Coupe in terms of pricing or performance. Anyone had in mind?

The only ones close would be the Subaru Impreza WRX / WRX STi and Mitsu EVO X.

But even then, those cars are more expensive than the GC.

A potential in the price/performance might be the current Ford Focus TDCi ... but you have to spend a little on the aftermarket tuning to get the performance level.

Even then, a modded Focus TDCi doesn't have the same "feel" of luxury w/ performance as the GC.

If you are aiming for the GC 3.8L ... a good alternative is the Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Sedan or Wagon at around P2M and P2.1M respectively. It might not be the same as driving a two-door coupe BUT this car can deliver in the price/performance/luxury combination at the level you would expect from something more expensive (like a BMW 5-series or similar class Benz).

[4agze]

car and driver magazine comparison test

Hyundai Genesis coupe base model $22,750, 2.0liter Turbo, I4, 210bhp, 233 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 3300 lbs.

Chevrolet Camaro coupe base model $23,530, 3.6liter, V6, 304bhp, 273 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 3775 lbs.

BMW 135i coupe base model $36,675, 3.0liter, I6, 300bhp, 300 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 3375 lbs.

Ford Mustang base model $21,845, 4.0liter, V6, 210bhp, 240 lb-ft, 5 speed manual, 3400 lbs.

Mazda RX8 base model $27,185, 1.3liter rotary, 223bhp, 159 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 3075 lbs.

Nissan 370Z base model $30,650, 3.7liter, V6, 332bhp, 270 lb-ft, 6speed manual, 3225 lbs.

Honda S2000 base model $35,705, 2.2liter. I4 237bhp, 162 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 2875 lbs.

[ghosthunter]

car and driver magazine comparison test

Hyundai Genesis coupe base model $22,750, 2.0liter Turbo, I4, 210bhp, 233 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 3300 lbs.

Chevrolet Camaro coupe base model $23,530, 3.6liter, V6, 304bhp, 273 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 3775 lbs.

BMW 135i coupe base model $36,675, 3.0liter, I6, 300bhp, 300 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 3375 lbs.

Ford Mustang base model $21,845, 4.0liter, V6, 210bhp, 240 lb-ft, 5 speed manual, 3400 lbs.

Mazda RX8 base model $27,185, 1.3liter rotary, 223bhp, 159 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 3075 lbs.

Nissan 370Z base model $30,650, 3.7liter, V6, 332bhp, 270 lb-ft, 6speed manual, 3225 lbs.

Honda S2000 base model $35,705, 2.2liter. I4 237bhp, 162 lb-ft, 6 speed manual, 2875 lbs.

Those cars listed doesn't matter because most of them are not sold in the Philippine car market (aside from grey market).

[4agze]

Those cars listed doesn't matter because most of them are not sold in the Philippine car market (aside from grey market).

wow I thought US car market was boring, so genesis wins by default no other FR cars
but when I was in Phil i saw a white S2000 a blue RX8

[ghosthunter]

wow I thought US car market was boring, so genesis wins by default no other FR cars
but when I was in Phil i saw a white S2000 a blue RX8

There are a few Mazda RX7/RX8 but those were grey market imports.

The Honda S2000 was probably one of the few 1st gen models sold by Honda many years ago.

Other locally sold two door "sports" cars are/were:
-Mitsu Eclipse
-Nissan 200SX (2.0L version of the 240sx in the USA)
-Mazda MX5 (Miata)
-Hyundai Coupe (Elantra)

But in recent years, more car brands have arrived but kind of expensive. Examples:
-BMW
-Audi
-M.Benz
-Lexus
-Ferrari
-Porsche
-Jaguar

[actor21]

ang mura ng camaro sa US ah, magkano kaya yan sa grey market? meron kase ako nakikitang dilaw na may black lines (ala bumblebee talaga) sa east cars e

[niky]

Nothing really comes close in the price/performance of the Hyundai Genesis here in the Philippines. Probably the MX-5 is the closest I can think of but that's worth 2M and it has a puny engine that will be shamed by the 2.0T Genesis, much more by the 3.8 V6.

The 2.0T hits 100 km/h in around 7.5 to 8 seconds. We've tested the MX-5 at 7.5 seconds. The performance is quite similar. The Mazda has much less torque, but only has 30 hp less and weighs around 500 kilograms less. So performance will actually be very similar. The Coupe will have much more top speed (the MX-5 peters out at just over 200 km/h) and should have more overtaking torque, but the MX-5 isn't going to be comprehensively outperformed by the Genesis.

Of course... the MX-5 costs as much as the V6, which will eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. :hysterical: It'll still go from 0-topless in just ten seconds. The Coupe can't do that.

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As per GH's post... a Focus TDCi with about 100k in mods will make as much power and be just as fast as a Genesis Coupe 2.0T... and it'll cost 300k less and have a dual clutch gearbox, to boot, which the Genesis doesn't have.

[ghosthunter]

The 2.0T hits 100 km/h in around 7.5 to 8 seconds. We've tested the MX-5 at 7.5 seconds. The performance is quite similar. The Mazda has much less torque, but only has 30 hp less and weighs around 500 kilograms less. So performance will actually be very similar. The Coupe will have much more top speed (the MX-5 peters out at just over 200 km/h) and should have more overtaking torque, but the MX-5 isn't going to be comprehensively outperformed by the Genesis.

Of course... the MX-5 costs as much as the V6, which will eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. :hysterical: It'll still go from 0-topless in just ten seconds. The Coupe can't do that.

But the Genesis Coupe will have that feeling that you have "arrived" (luxury, etc) as compared to the feeling of claustrophobia if you drive in a MX5.

And you can drive with three other people in the GC. So you can ask your gf and two of her other ***y lady-friends to come along.

[noobskie]

The 2.0T hits 100 km/h in around 7.5 to 8 seconds. We've tested the MX-5 at 7.5 seconds. The performance is quite similar. The Mazda has much less torque, but only has 30 hp less and weighs around 500 kilograms less. So performance will actually be very similar. The Coupe will have much more top speed (the MX-5 peters out at just over 200 km/h) and should have more overtaking torque, but the MX-5 isn't going to be comprehensively outperformed by the Genesis.

Of course... the MX-5 costs as much as the V6, which will eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. :hysterical: It'll still go from 0-topless in just ten seconds. The Coupe can't do that.

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As per GH's post... a Focus TDCi with about 100k in mods will make as much power and be just as fast as a Genesis Coupe 2.0T... and it'll cost 300k less and have a dual clutch gearbox, to boot, which the Genesis doesn't have.

I stand corrected, never knew the MX-5 was at par with the GC 2.0T. Weight really is the main factor then. But then again, I guess what I meant really was the price/performance of the Genesis against the MX-5 which we all know the Hyundai trumps the Mazda in.

[ghosthunter]

The 2.0T hits 100 km/h in around 7.5 to 8 seconds. We've tested the MX-5 at 7.5 seconds. The performance is quite similar. The Mazda has much less torque, but only has 30 hp less and weighs around 500 kilograms less. So performance will actually be very similar. The Coupe will have much more top speed (the MX-5 peters out at just over 200 km/h) and should have more overtaking torque, but the MX-5 isn't going to be comprehensively outperformed by the Genesis.

Of course... the MX-5 costs as much as the V6, which will eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. :hysterical: It'll still go from 0-topless in just ten seconds. The Coupe can't do that.

But the Genesis Coupe will have that feeling that you have "arrived" (luxury, etc) as compared to the feeling of claustrophobia if you drive in a MX5. :lalala:

And you can drive with three other people in the GC. So you can ask your gf and two of her other ***y lady-friends to come along.

[4agze]

]But the Genesis Coupe will have that feeling that you have "arrived" (luxury, etc) [/COLOR]as compared to the feeling of claustrophobia if you drive in a MX5.

And you can drive with three other people in the GC. So you can ask your gf and two of her other ***y lady-friends to come along.

:rofl: i have arrived in a hyundai, sorry it just made me laugh

ok back to topic, MX-5 vs Genesis
I see this as apple and orange both different ... here is what your getting if you buy a genesis 2.0T, 210bhp on a 3300lbs thats 16lbs per 1bhp (thats not a lot), no racing history, reliability? (nothing cuz its new) cheap for a modern FR sports car

here is what you get on a Mazda MX-5 2.0liter 167bhp on a 2450lbs thats 14lbs per 1bhp (wow light weight) racing history ( from US SCCA MX-5 cup to UK roadster cup to Japan)
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[ghosthunter]

:rofl: i have arrived in a hyundai, sorry it just made me laugh

Still better in an expensive looking Genesis Coupe 3.8L with it's leather power seats and exotic sports car looks than in a typical Corolla, Lancer, Sentra, etc. that we tend to drive everyday.

I have test driven the GC 3.8L and I like it.

[crossdx]

Here in the Philippines the new Miata is rather overpriced, imo. The MX-5 costs P2.2M, while the 3.8 Gen Coupe costs 1.73M for the M/T and 1.85M for the matic. They're not in the same price range at all, so it's hard to make a comparison when the GC is so much more bang for buck.

As for competitors, well, I was going to get a 3.8 GC, but wound up getting the new Subaru Legacy GT. Slightly pricier, but the combination of performance/practicality won out for me. And it costs about the same as the GC matic w/ Brembo brakes, 1.99M.

[niky]

But the Genesis Coupe will have that feeling that you have "arrived" (luxury, etc) as compared to the feeling of claustrophobia if you drive in a MX5. :lalala:

And you can drive with three other people in the GC. So you can ask your gf and two of her other ***y lady-friends to come along.

As long as they're really short lady friends. Ouch, that roof.

Legacy... good choice. Wagon would be even better... you, four lady friends, and all your luggage... ...would be an interesting trip to the beach.

[4agze]

Still better in an expensive looking Genesis Coupe 3.8L with it's leather power seats and exotic sports car looks than in a typical Corolla, Lancer, Sentra, etc. that we tend to drive everyday.

I have test driven the GC 3.8L and I like it.

thats true I rather be seen in a Genesis than a lancer vios (my mother have one in phil.), sentra or civic

I was actually considering it back when it was a concept excited that a FR car will be coming out in the US, I like the idea of a cheap FR coupe but disappointed on the specs specially the weight (hyundai 3300 lbs are you kidding me). weight is a big factor for me coming from a 1867lbs track car. test drive made it worst for me 2.0Turbo 210bhp was not I expect maybe cuz, I try to compare it to a SR20DET on a S14 silvia 250bhp or maybe I set my expectation too high. I'm still in the market for a new successor for my track toy, im waiting for the Toyota FT-86 (concept for now)

[ghosthunter]

I can forgive the weight of the GC since it is not a track car, especially with the heavy power leather seats,etc.

And if you want a track version, you could always purchase the Spec-R version of the GC.

[crossdx]

I noticed the TS is in the U.S., so I'll throw in my 2 cents given the broader choices they have over there. While I really dig the Genesis Coupe, if I was in America I'd probably wait for the 2011 Mustang with its upgraded engine hp to 300 for the V6, or if I could afford it, the 400 bhp V8.

The GC is one of a kind over here in the Philippines in offering an affordable, fantastic looking sports coupe package, but in the U.S. it just has so much incredible competition at similar price points it's hard to give it top pick status. I might go for the '09 spec WRX, Camaro SS, or maybe even the current V8 Mustang given the opportunity if they were available at similar prices to the GC.