2024 Innova Zenix 2.0 V CVT (non-HEV) vs Innova 2.8 G A/T

[dr. d]

The Dynamic Force engines seems to be susceptible to damage to the fuel pump/EGR system from high chlorine fuels rather than having issues with the electrics.

i do not know if we are refering to the same issue, but,

in the past,
owners of a popular car were complaining that their cars' engines died, stranding them in the middle of their trips.
after some investigation, it was determined that the fuel pump was at fault, having seized frozen in the course of its duty.
at about the same time, the same problem started getting complained about in the other car brands.
it seemed, they were all supplied by the same fuel pump supplier...

is it happening all over again?

[oj88]

Thanks to LOLZ for the insights and for the model information of the CVT.

Doing further on-paper reliability comparison, I'm currently leaning towards the 'old' Innova.

AC60E 6A/T on the Innova 2.8 vs K120 CVT on the Zenix:

[LOLZ]

i do not know if we are refering to the same issue, but,

in the past,
owners of a popular car were complaining that their cars' engines died, stranding them in the middle of their trips.
after some investigation, it was determined that the fuel pump was at fault, having seized frozen in the course of its duty.
at about the same time, the same problem started getting complained about in the other car brands.
it seemed, they were all supplied by the same fuel pump supplier...

is it happening all over again?

The failure mode is more benign than that global issue in that fuel odors are observed in the engine bay due to fuel seeping out of the high pressure fuel pump. Allegedly there is corrosion involved but the issue is currently limited to and being recalled in the US market and limited to the A25A and 2GR-FKS.

The EGR one is far more serious as it could dump coolant into the cylinder and according to toyota is due to corrosion from fuel contaminated with chlorine and was observed in certain regions in europe and china. Toyota stance on the EGR issue is mixed with europe not being covered by warranty due to chlorine being a fuel contaminant but seems to be a norm for the fuel in china for them to issue a recall and replace the part with a revised composite unit instead of the original all-aluminum unit.

[dr. d]

The failure mode is more benign than that global issue in that fuel odors are observed in the engine bay due to fuel seeping out of the high pressure fuel pump. Allegedly there is corrosion involved but the issue is currently limited to and being recalled in the US market.

The EGR one is far more serious as it could dump coolant into the cylinder and according to toyota is due to corrosion from fuel contaminated with chlorine and was observed in certain regions in europe and china. Toyota stance on the EGR issue is mixed with europe not being covered by warranty due to chlorine being a fuel contaminant but seems to be a norm for the fuel in china for them to issue a recall and replace the part with a revised composite unit instead of the original all-aluminum unit.

ah! thank you.
TIL.

[Deestone]

This is around 2M price range right? I might gamble and get the Custin at this price range more luxurious inside hehe

[oj88]

This is around 2M price range right? I might gamble and get the Custin at this price range more luxurious inside hehe

The Innova G and the Zenyx V are only in the 1.6M price range.

You're probably looking at the Zenyx Q (HEV), which I am not looking to get. Also, not a Hyndai fan, so Custin is out.

[LOLZ]

This is around 2M price range right? I might gamble and get the Custin at this price range more luxurious inside hehe

Fuel economy may be an issue i think top gear got 5km/l with theirs in heavy traffic

[Walter]

This is around 2M price range right? I might gamble and get the Custin at this price range more luxurious inside hehe

Korean vs a Toyota? ...

[Walter]

The Innova G and the Zenyx V are only in the 1.6M price range.
You're probably looking at the Zenyx Q (HEV), which I am not looking to get. Also, not a Hyndai fan, so Custin is out.

Get the Toyota Zenix ... enjoy the ride comfort ... by the time you sell it ... the value difference between a Toyota Zenix and Toyota Innova will be only a couple of hundred Gs ... won't be worth that much by then ... and no ... no Hyundai Custin ... Koreans don't age well ...

[oj88]

Thank you for all the comments and insights. After evaluating everything, which included test-driving a co-worker's Zenix, I've decided to go with the 2024 Innova G 2.8 A/T.

Main reasons I chose the "G":
1. Ladder-frame robustness
2. RWD
3. Significantly more powerful engine which can still be economical at a press of a button
4. Being the last MMC of this generation, most or all of the bugs and kinks from the earlier iterations have been worked out

I've had my 1st gen 2016 Innova for close to 9 years (bought in mid-2015) and have had zero powertrain and suspension problems aside from having to replace the alternator pulley and other consumable parts (ie. brakes, tires, battery). There's not even a kalampag to speak of. This was also the last MMC of its generation and I can attribute to that the trouble-free experience I had with it.

I will miss out on the latest tech on the Zenix for sure, but it is substantially weaker than its predecessor in most other respects, IMO.

[Ry_Tower]

Thank you for all the comments and insights. After evaluating everything, which included test-driving a co-worker's Zenix, I've decided to go with the 2024 Innova G 2.8 A/T.

Main reasons I chose the "G":
1. Ladder-frame robustness
2. RWD
3. Significantly more powerful engine which can still be economical at a press of a button
4. Being the last MMC of this generation, most or all of the bugs and kinks from the earlier iterations have been worked out

I've had my 1st gen 2016 Innova for close to 9 years (bought in mid-2015) and have had zero powertrain and suspension problems aside from having to replace the alternator pulley and other consumable parts (ie. brakes, tires, battery). There's not even a kalampag to speak of. This was also the last MMC of its generation and I can attribute to that the trouble-free experience I had with it.

I will miss out on the latest tech on the Zenix for sure, but it is substantially weaker than its predecessor in most other respects, IMO.

Choice I would have made as well.

[oj88]

Is it just too early to tell or is the Zenix turning out to be a flop? They came out last year (2023) with great fanfare but a year later, I can only see 1 or 2 on the road in a week.

[ice15]

Is it just too early to tell or is the Zenix turning out to be a flop? They came out last year (2023) with great fanfare but a year later, I can only see 1 or 2 on the road in a week.

I heard hybrid models are very hard to purchase...

most units na nakikita are non-hybrids

[Dr.Kamiya]

I haven't seen even one outside of their showrooms

[Verbl Kint]

I've seen a couple of Zenix's around in QC and both were the hybrid kind. One in South Triangle and another in Solaire North (different colors so I was sure these were different cars).

What is not going well for the Zenix's saleability is the price as the base is already over 1.6M and that's not even the hybrid kind.

My thoughts are that they should not have released the non-Hybrid Zenix at all. They can market it as a more premiere "green" option, make it more distinct as a product line, and just limit the SKU's released.

[LOLZ]

Is it just too early to tell or is the Zenix turning out to be a flop? They came out last year (2023) with great fanfare but a year later, I can only see 1 or 2 on the road in a week.

I think they should have made an "E" hybrid with 8 seats as the Entry Level variant

[oj88]

My rough guess is that the outgoing 2nd gen Innova is still in high demand and is cannibalizing the sales of the Zenix.

In my mind (arguably, others too), I think of the Innova brand is known to be something that is decently refined, rugged, powerful, reliable.... not to mention Diesel-powered (for the most part).

To me, the Zenix is a totally different vehicle and the only thing going for it is really just the slightly bigger interior space, a few more creature comforts, and a hybrid option.

[ice15]

My rough guess is that the outgoing 2nd gen Innova is still in high demand and is cannibalizing the sales of the Zenix.

In my mind (arguably, others too), I think of the Innova brand is known to be something that is decently refined, rugged, powerful, reliable.... not to mention Diesel-powered (for the most part).

To me, the Zenix is a totally different vehicle and the only thing going for it is really just the slightly bigger interior space, a few more creature comforts, and a hybrid option.

reminds me of the Revo vs (1st Gen) Innova

[Verbl Kint]

My rough guess is that the outgoing 2nd gen Innova is still in high demand and is cannibalizing the sales of the Zenix.

I am fairly certain that the 2nd gen Innova will still be in high demand deep into the 2020's. It might probably still be marketable even in the early 2030's.

[Walter]

Is it just too early to tell or is the Zenix turning out to be a flop? They came out last year (2023) with great fanfare but a year later, I can only see 1 or 2 on the road in a week.

One factor is it's only captain seats for the 2nd row ... another could be the gasoline engine ...