2024 Innova Zenix 2.0 V CVT (non-HEV) vs Innova 2.8 G A/T

[oj88]

Ok, it's almost time to replace my almost 9 y/o 2015 Innova 2.5 G A/T and I'm in a pickle between these two models. They're in the same price range with only about 13k difference between their SRPs.

On one hand, I wanted the tried and tested, robust, and reliable Diesel Innova 2.8. On the other hand, I'm also a tech junkie and I crave for the more modern creature comforts and other refinements of the gasoline Zenix 2.0.

The Innova 2.8 is also on its way out, but this also means that all the kinks that were present in earlier batches had been mostly ironed out. The Zenix however, is the first of probably a few batches and I'm not really keen on beta-testing a relatively new platform.

It's only going to be between these two models. I'm not interested on the smaller MPVs (ie. Veloz, Expander, etc.)

Given my sentiments, why would you choose one over the other?

[sirkosero]

Ok, it's almost time to replace my almost 9 y/o 2015 Innova 2.5 G A/T and I'm in a pickle between these two models. They're in the same price range with only about 13k difference between their SRPs.

On one hand, I wanted the tried and tested, robust, and reliable Diesel Innova 2.8. On the other hand, I'm also a tech junkie and I crave for the more modern creature comforts and other refinements of the gasoline Zenix 2.0.

The Innova 2.8 is also on its way out, but this also means that all the kinks that were present in earlier batches had been mostly ironed out. The Zenix however, is the first of probably a few batches and I'm not really keen on beta-testing a relatively new platform.

It's only going to be between these two models. I'm not interested on the smaller MPVs (ie. Veloz, Expander, etc.)

Given my sentiments, why would you choose one over the other?

If you are using it sa city and stuck in traffic, get zenix. More comfortable, lots of tech and spacious.

If you plan to use for hauling or just want the torque, get the diesel. Di naman naglakalayo riding comfort ng 2.8 innova vs your 2.5 innova. Ladder frame kasi.

My 2.8 innova get 6.9 km/li pure city driving within makati. My holy week travel got around 12 km/li

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[Walter]

Toyota Zenix for ride comfort ... plus the safety features ...

[bxr monkey]

2.8G. Simpler mechanicals. Bench 2nd row. Okay sa uphill.

[boybi]

May new variant ang Innova, the XE. Only noticeable diff with the E are the mag wheels and foglamps, at around 200K diff in price.

Pero sobra luwag ng Zenix and easy access to the 3rd row.

[oj88]

What about the resale of these cars kaya?

I have a feeling that the Zenix would depreciate faster.

[travajante]

Hands down the 2.8 for trouble free longterm ownership. This is from 1st hand experience. It's likely the most practical multipurpose vehicle in the market today. NonCVT...Holds value really well, too.

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[ale828]

What about the resale of these cars kaya?

I have a feeling that the Zenix would depreciate faster.

Yes, the zenix would depreciate faster due to its gasoline engine. Just check the prices of the Old TOTL gasoline engines Innova vs the diesel Innova. halos pareho lang price nila ngayon.

Pinoys still love their diesel units.

[Walter]

Shouldn't really be buying a vehicle based on resale value ...

[travajante]

Shouldn't really be buying a vehicle based on resale value ...

Agree...but reasons they hold value must not be ignored.

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[shadow]

I will always choose the newer model.

Resell value? Matagal mo naman ginagamit yata saskayan mo. So hinde na dapat consider yan


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[dr. d]

Yes, the zenix would depreciate faster due to its gasoline engine. Just check the prices of the Old TOTL gasoline engines Innova vs the diesel Innova. halos pareho lang price nila ngayon.

Pinoys still love their diesel units.

i think the depreciation would depend more on its reputation for performance, reliability, etc,
rather than whether it is diesel or gasoline.
only time will tell, i imagine.

[oj88]

Of course, the resale value isn't the only thing I'm looking at. But who doesn't like having a financial upper hand when trading up to a new car later?

I'm also reading up on the Zenix' M20A-FKS engine. It's certainly more modern and very efficient. However, with more electronic controls, motors, and actuators up the wazoo, like an electric water pump, oil pump, and thermostat (as opposed to their more traditional mechanical versions), this sounds like a potentially expensive repair/maintenance bill later.

I know I'm overthinking it... that's why this is the most exciting stage in buying anything... the research and the hunt. :D

[Yatta]

Halos 10k na lang naman pala matitipid mo sa lumang model, dun ka na sa bago.

[glenn_duke]

Of course, the resale value isn't the only thing I'm looking at. But who doesn't like having a financial upper hand when trading up to a new car later?

I'm also reading up on the Zenix' M20A-FKS engine. It's certainly more modern and very efficient. However, with more electronic controls, motors, and actuators up the wazoo, like an electric water pump, oil pump, and thermostat (as opposed to their more traditional mechanical versions), this sounds like a potentially expensive repair/maintenance bill later.

I know I'm overthinking it... that's why this is the most exciting stage in buying anything... the research and the hunt. :D

Dont worry about the electricals etc, its not a Ford.
Test drive

[dr. d]

Dont worry about the electricals etc, its not a Ford.
Test drive

that's... re-assuring.
heh heh.

btw,
madalas mamatay left rear brake bulb ng 1gen diesel innova namin...

[Walter]

Toyota is one of the pioneers of mass-production hybrid vehicles ...

[oj88]

^ I'm not considering the HEV "Q" model. I'm just interested with the "V" gasoline-only Zenix.

Anyway, I've been reading up and watching back to back reviews of the Zenix and the fact that it shares a platform with the Corolla Cross, et al., seems to make it pretentious, for lack of a better word. From the outside, it looks all burly and muscular. Inside, it has a tiny skeleton:

1. The engine bay is half-empty and the bulge on the hood doesn't serve a purpose other than pure cosmetic
2. The front fenders are sitting on "stilts" from the main front frame

I've never driven a CVT and was never planning on getting a car with one.... not with all the horror stories about them failing. Is this Toyota CVT any different?

[sirkosero]

that's... re-assuring.
heh heh.

btw,
madalas mamatay left rear brake bulb ng 1gen diesel innova namin...

Di yata nila naayos yan. Kahit dun sa 2015 model ng family and my 2019 model lagi busted brake lights sa left

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[LOLZ]

Of course, the resale value isn't the only thing I'm looking at. But who doesn't like having a financial upper hand when trading up to a new car later?

I'm also reading up on the Zenix' M20A-FKS engine. It's certainly more modern and very efficient. However, with more electronic controls, motors, and actuators up the wazoo, like an electric water pump, oil pump, and thermostat (as opposed to their more traditional mechanical versions), this sounds like a potentially expensive repair/maintenance bill later.

I know I'm overthinking it... that's why this is the most exciting stage in buying anything... the research and the hunt. :D

The Dynamic Force engines seems to be susceptible to damage to the fuel pump/EGR system from high chlorine fuels rather than having issues with the electrics. There are revised parts already but it's too short to tell whether they have mitigated the issue enough to be considered resolved. In a way its kinda similar to how it was when Commonrail was first introduced here in our country.

^ I'm not considering the HEV "Q" model. I'm just interested with the "V" gasoline-only Zenix.

1. The engine bay is half-empty and the bulge on the hood doesn't serve a purpose other than pure cosmetic
2. The front fenders are sitting on "stilts" from the main front frame

I've never driven a CVT and was never planning on getting a car with one.... not with all the horror stories about them failing. Is this Toyota CVT any different?

I think they employed the same front end construction strategy in the avanza when compared to the raize

The bulge on the hood could be for pedestrian safety as well as for the CVT i think toyota doesn't have a reliability issue with them and the K120 transmission used in the zenix had some time in other vehicles (debuted in the current corolla) such as the rav4 that is similar in curb weight but it is the first time being used in a 7 seater vehicle alongside the Noah and also first in our market due to toyota PH using carryover powertrains. Unique to the K120 is a physical first gear that is used to mitigate the sluggish off the line feeling and efficiency losses at slow speeds with the belt drive.

I think it would depend on how much of a selling point are low-end diesel torque/regular AT, a proven platform and rwd to you and whether that negates the increase in comfort, refinement, and interior space of the newer vehicle.