2017 Honda CR-V 1.6 V or 2017 Mitsubishi Montero Sport GLS

[EQAddict]

120 hp is more than enough. You can drive to ilocos and back no problem. I remember the time when the first 16valve corolla with 95 hp was considered extremely fast. Also the 300nm of torwue for the crv comes in really early. So you will have a lot of pulling power.

If you dont intend to go past 160 kmh then the CR-V is very capable.

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[nelany]

Okay, I can call myself confused at this point until after I have test driven the CRV. It's really hard to compare If you only have tested 1 out of the 2.

Based on my initial post, I have provided several factors why I am considering both cars. I will break down those considerations in able to provide further information as to "why".

I live outside the metro and is working in Ortigas. The road conditions are not 100% good all thoughout the year, the road breaks mostly during rainy season since large trucks traverses it after truck ban loaded with soil/rocks, precasted concrete, cement and others. Had several previous instances that soil and rocks from these trucks are spilled over the road and it skid under the car due to low clearance. But hey, the City conquered it, good thing no major under damage. There are also minimal floodings along the way when it rains real hard, therefore, 1 major criteria would be high ground clearance. But, I need to consider also the senior people riding it during out of town trips.

In paper, the CRV has 198mm vs 218mm for the Monty. Is 20mm that huge of a difference? In person, it looks like the Monty is much higher than 20mm. A comment here says that entering the monty is hard, with the 20mm diff which is not very significant, can we also say that it will be hard to enter the CRV? This I have yet to try.

Another major consideration is the engine power. The farthest I have driven the City is up to Baguio with 4 persons and several luggages. The 1.5L did okay but you can already feel the stress on the engine going up. I would want the car to be able to go further. I plan and dream to drive around with it as far as Ilocos, up Sagada, down Naga and Legazpi and maybe even roro to Mindoro, Samar and Leyte with maybe 5+ passengers.

120hp/300 torque of the CRV vs 181hp/430 torque of the Monty. With engines, the higher the better?

The minor considerations, there's the added feature of the Montero (Push button start, dual climate control, leather steering, better multimedia 6.75" 6speaker, 18" wheel) vs the security features of the CRV (hill start assist, stability control, leather seats, LED drl, tail lamp).


Then there's the price. Montero costing lower of about 139K vs the CRV after discounts.

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You are leaning to Montero Sports, just buy it and it will make you happy. . Those people who wants the CRV let them buy it.

[montro]

Choose monty much better in a long trip kung out of metro pa ang pinanggagalingan mo papunta sa work.siguro you already test drive the 2017 monty.wait for the crv diesel variant to launch then test drive it and compare the two.nobody among us drives the new crv.pero for me monty is better.it can give you the power you want.

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[yapoy86]

Okay, I can call myself confused at this point until after I have test driven the CRV. It's really hard to compare If you only have tested 1 out of the 2.

Based on my initial post, I have provided several factors why I am considering both cars. I will break down those considerations in able to provide further information as to "why".

I live outside the metro and is working in Ortigas. The road conditions are not 100% good all thoughout the year, the road breaks mostly during rainy season since large trucks traverses it after truck ban loaded with soil/rocks, precasted concrete, cement and others. Had several previous instances that soil and rocks from these trucks are spilled over the road and it skid under the car due to low clearance. But hey, the City conquered it, good thing no major under damage. There are also minimal floodings along the way when it rains real hard, therefore, 1 major criteria would be high ground clearance. But, I need to consider also the senior people riding it during out of town trips.

In paper, the CRV has 198mm vs 218mm for the Monty. Is 20mm that huge of a difference? In person, it looks like the Monty is much higher than 20mm. A comment here says that entering the monty is hard, with the 20mm diff which is not very significant, can we also say that it will be hard to enter the CRV? This I have yet to try.

Another major consideration is the engine power. The farthest I have driven the City is up to Baguio with 4 persons and several luggages. The 1.5L did okay but you can already feel the stress on the engine going up. I would want the car to be able to go further. I plan and dream to drive around with it as far as Ilocos, up Sagada, down Naga and Legazpi and maybe even roro to Mindoro, Samar and Leyte with maybe 5+ passengers.

120hp/300 torque of the CRV vs 181hp/430 torque of the Monty. With engines, the higher the better?

The minor considerations, there's the added feature of the Montero (Push button start, dual climate control, leather steering, better multimedia 6.75" 6speaker, 18" wheel) vs the security features of the CRV (hill start assist, stability control, leather seats, LED drl, tail lamp).


Then there's the price. Montero costing lower of about 139K vs the CRV after discounts.

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Consider the drive train layout of the two.. montero is rear wheel drive compared to cr-v front wheel configuration.. that makes the cr-v roomier compared to the montero rugged heavy duty rear wheel drive

[minicarph]

actually hinde naman mahirap mag-decide coz even though PPV category ang Montero, it's the softrider among the 4 PPvS, in fsct sa sobrang lambot ng suspension nya, may mga nagpapagawa na sa casa ngaun na hindi na daw pantay ang car nila, check the Montero thread.

so given that the Montero is softrider and the CRV is definitely softrider. talo ka lang magpalinis sa Montero kase may stepboard pa, eh wala din naman pala advantsge sa tough roads in the long run

[Challenger75]

Okay, I can call myself confused at this point until after I have test driven the CRV. It's really hard to compare If you only have tested 1 out of the 2.

Based on my initial post, I have provided several factors why I am considering both cars. I will break down those considerations in able to provide further information as to "why".

I live outside the metro and is working in Ortigas. The road conditions are not 100% good all thoughout the year, the road breaks mostly during rainy season since large trucks traverses it after truck ban loaded with soil/rocks, precasted concrete, cement and others. Had several previous instances that soil and rocks from these trucks are spilled over the road and it skid under the car due to low clearance. But hey, the City conquered it, good thing no major under damage. There are also minimal floodings along the way when it rains real hard, therefore, 1 major criteria would be high ground clearance. But, I need to consider also the senior people riding it during out of town trips.

In paper, the CRV has 198mm vs 218mm for the Monty. Is 20mm that huge of a difference? In person, it looks like the Monty is much higher than 20mm. A comment here says that entering the monty is hard, with the 20mm diff which is not very significant, can we also say that it will be hard to enter the CRV? This I have yet to try.

Another major consideration is the engine power. The farthest I have driven the City is up to Baguio with 4 persons and several luggages. The 1.5L did okay but you can already feel the stress on the engine going up. I would want the car to be able to go further. I plan and dream to drive around with it as far as Ilocos, up Sagada, down Naga and Legazpi and maybe even roro to Mindoro, Samar and Leyte with maybe 5+ passengers.

120hp/300 torque of the CRV vs 181hp/430 torque of the Monty. With engines, the higher the better?

The minor considerations, there's the added feature of the Montero (Push button start, dual climate control, leather steering, better multimedia 6.75" 6speaker, 18" wheel) vs the security features of the CRV (hill start assist, stability control, leather seats, LED drl, tail lamp).


Then there's the price. Montero costing lower of about 139K vs the CRV after discounts.

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Montero as with other PPVs and pickups are sitting on ladder frames. So while ground clearance might not be much higher than a CRV, the body and engine are.

Advantage is the higher water wading depth and approach, break-over, and departure angles (if you care about off-roading). Disadvantage is less interior space cos of the frame below the body, more noticeable body-roll due to the higher center of gravity. That's also why it feels like you're climbing inside a PPV vs stepping inside a crossover.

Go for the Montero since it looks like you're somewhat decided already. If you can spend extra for the Premium or haggle a bit, you'll have no regrets since it looks like the added safety kit with the CRV is your only concern.

[yecherchong]

Assume 7 km/L for the gas and 9 km/L for the diesel. Gas is at P45/L, diesel at P32/L. Average mileage of 15000 km per year.

15k / 7 km/L x 45 = 96k gas per year
15k / 9 km/L x 32 = 53k diesel per year

40k per year difference if you compare the Gas S vs Diesel S variants with the same equipment level, price difference is 200k so you'll make up the difference in 5 years.

Now if you don't mind the features of the S variant, then basically you save 40k per year on the V diesel vs S gas.

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Can you add projected pms per year and see long run how both diesel and gas stacks up? In case anybody knows pms cost or had experience.


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[jut703]

Can you add projected pms per year and see long run how both diesel and gas stacks up? In case anybody knows pms cost or had experience.


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PMS difference isn't that big. Much of the cost difference is simply because diesel engines require more oil than gas engines - usually 8L vs 5L. So assuming you use FS oil at 500/L and have them changed twice a year, then that's 3k more annually for diesel PMS.

My previous diesel vehicle (Ranger 2.2) cost me around 8k every 10k kms. My previous gas-fed vehicle (Altis 1.6) cost around 4k every 10k km and 2k every 5k km PMS so a total of around 6k every 10k km cycle.

Fuel savings outweighs higher maintenance costs between gas and diesel.

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[Walter]

Just test drive both vehicles ... makes your decision much easier ...

[minicarph]

sigurado mas matipid ang CRV Diesel V and S dyan sa Montero kasi mas malaki gulong nyan Montero. My Hyundai SF crossover averages 10-11km/liter pure city. something na hindi na-reach ng mga PPVS ngaun average 8-9 km/liter lang. eh 235 lang gulong ko eh, eh sila 265

[jut703]

Okay, I can call myself confused at this point until after I have test driven the CRV. It's really hard to compare If you only have tested 1 out of the 2.

Exactly. Wait to test drive the CRV first before making a decision. At the very least, visit the CRV in the showroom now so you can get a feel of the ride height, driving position, space, and features of the CRV.

In paper, the CRV has 198mm vs 218mm for the Monty. Is 20mm that huge of a difference? In person, it looks like the Monty is much higher than 20mm. A comment here says that entering the monty is hard, with the 20mm diff which is not very significant, can we also say that it will be hard to enter the CRV? This I have yet to try.

The ground clearance stated in the brochures is the minimum ground clearance for both cars. The Montero is higher if you look at front and rear bumper clearance. Ingress and egress is also higher for the Montero, with most people needing a stepboard. Getting in and out of a CRV is easier since the floor is lower.

The CRV has a lower floor because it has a car-based monocoque chassis. The Montero on the other hand has a truck-based ladder frame chassis. This is the biggest difference between the 2 cars, and it's what makes the CRV more comfortable and the Montero more rugged.

Another major consideration is the engine power. The farthest I have driven the City is up to Baguio with 4 persons and several luggages. The 1.5L did okay but you can already feel the stress on the engine going up. I would want the car to be able to go further. I plan and dream to drive around with it as far as Ilocos, up Sagada, down Naga and Legazpi and maybe even roro to Mindoro, Samar and Leyte with maybe 5+ passengers.

120hp/300 torque of the CRV vs 181hp/430 torque of the Monty. With engines, the higher the better?

That's because gasoline cars are really meant to be driven at high rpms to make maximum power and torque. Most gasoline engines make their maximum torque at around 4000 rpm. Diesel engines on the other hand usually have maximum torque at around 2000 rpm. It's unfair to say that a gas-fed car is underpowered when you're not even maximizing the engine's potential.

I've driven weaker cars like the Vios 1.3 with 5 passengers on board all over Luzon - Baguio, Bicol, Zambales, you name it. There was never a time that the car couldn't climb up a steep hill - all I had to do was rev harder and the car will always follow.

For most drivers, diesels are more ideal because most of the power is available at low rpms. And since most people don't drive at high rpms, it doesn't matter much that most diesels feel breathless after 3500 rpm.

Since you're comparing two diesel vehicles anyway, you surely won't have a problem with torque and hill climbing power with either choice. The Montero is much more powerful though, so even if it weighs 300 kg more than the CRV, it still accelerates faster.

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[zoomzoom]

Exactly. Wait to test drive the CRV first before making a decision.
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Any official word on when the test drive for the diesel variant will be made available?

[glenn manikis]

If i were to buy a CRV ill wait for 2-3 years muna...

Why? As per our experience engines that are made in india is sub standard... it wont last long.... malayo ang quality ng china made branded engines sa India made.... quality ng India made engines are same quality nung nag uumpisa palang ang china na mag manufacture ng engines 22-25 years ago.

[lightsaberx]

Thanks sir jut for a very informative response. 👍

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[lightsaberx]

Any official word on when the test drive for the diesel variant will be made available?

Not official, but the sales agent that im talking to advised that the diesel variants will arrive 1st-2nd week of September. Not sure if this is accurate though.

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[Janemar]

If i were to buy a CRV ill wait for 2-3 years muna...

Why? As per our experience engines that are made in india is sub standard... it wont last long.... malayo ang quality ng china made branded engines sa India made.... quality ng India made engines are same quality nung nag uumpisa palang ang china na mag manufacture ng engines 22-25 years ago.

Mukhang okay naman quality ng planta nila sa india Sir Glenn. Nageexport din daw sila engine and powertrain sa US and UK naman.

Honda Cars India | Tapukara Plant Tour 2017 | Motown India - YouTube

[Junichiro]

Went to see the 7 seater CR-V earlier. I'm around 5'6 and the 2nd row had around 30cm kneeroom with front seat adjusted to my height. I just noticed that rear air vents affects the headroom, even for my size.

3rd row meanwhile, had around 3cm kneeroom with 2nd row pushed all the way back, but severely lacks underthigh support. Even with the available footwell, I felt like I was sitting really close to the ground.

The cargo capacity with the 3rd row folded down, felt at par with Montero. With 3rd row engaged, I felt Montero is little bit larger.

So far if I were to choose, I'd go for Montero especially the Premium variant, because of the added features, ruggedness, and more bearable 3rd row.

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[minicarph]

If i were to buy a CRV ill wait for 2-3 years muna...

Why? As per our experience engines that are made in india is sub standard... it wont last long.... malayo ang quality ng china made branded engines sa India made.... quality ng India made engines are same quality nung nag uumpisa palang ang china na mag manufacture ng engines 22-25 years ago.

pag nag-wait ka pa 3-5 years, malamang naglabas na ng Mazda CX5 Diesel saka Subaru Forester Diesel lol. malilito ka na sa choices. hindi naman patatalo ibang crossover gasoline suppliers dito eh this CRV diesel will wipe out all their product line.

parang Ecosport kasi eto market disruptor so anong nangyari, halos nadale lahat ng benta Honda CRV gas, Mazda CX5 Gas, Mitsu ASX Gas, both Subarus crossover gas. pati entry ng HRV sa market wala.

now this is first Mid Size Diesel Crossover, what you think?

for me sigurado tatamaan ang Santa Fe Diesel, Tucson and Sportage Diesel, MUX LSA series and Everest Trend. and obliterated na talaga crossover gasolines na sinimulan ng Ecosport. Fort naman lalo nagmamahal lalo nababaliw ang mga tao bumile, yun naman Montero eh grabe naman sumimple yun eh, may 100K++ discount on ads and paper, tapos pag napunta ka dun sa kanila, bigyan ka pa almost 100K more, eh ganun naman talaga tumrabaho ang Mitsubishi kaya #2 sila diesel market. hindi yan matatalo ng Honda CRV diesel

[junjulaug]

pag nag-wait ka pa 3-5 years, malamang naglabas na ng Mazda CX5 Diesel saka Subaru Forester Diesel lol. malilito ka na sa choices. hindi naman patatalo ibang crossover gasoline suppliers dito eh this CRV diesel will wipe out all their product line.

parang Ecosport kasi eto market disruptor so anong nangyari, halos nadale lahat ng benta Honda CRV gas, Mazda CX5 Gas, Mitsu ASX Gas, both Subarus crossover gas. pati entry ng HRV sa market wala.

now this is first Mid Size Diesel Crossover, what you think?

for me sigurado tatamaan ang Santa Fe Diesel, Tucson and Sportage Diesel, MUX LSA series and Everest Trend. and obliterated na talaga crossover gasolines na sinimulan ng Ecosport. Fort naman lalo nagmamahal lalo nababaliw ang mga tao bumile, yun naman Montero eh grabe naman sumimple yun eh, may 100K++ discount on ads and paper, tapos pag napunta ka dun sa kanila, bigyan ka pa almost 100K more, eh ganun naman talaga tumrabaho ang Mitsubishi kaya #2 sila diesel market. hindi yan matatalo ng Honda CRV diesel

Hindi naman substantial bilang ng Ecosport. Kung titignan mo mas madami pa rin sa kalsada ang fortuner, avanza, innova and montero kesa sa Ecosport, considering na mas mahal yung presyo nung mga nabanggit sa taas. Ecosport as a market disruptor is superficial. Baka sa panaginip pwede pa.

[max 122]

Kaya naman nag low down payment ang ford kasi nag tie up na sila sa ibang company na battery operated. So mawawala na yung mga fuel type na yan kaya binibinta na nila ng low down.

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