2016 Toyota Fortuner V 4x4 2.8L vs 2016 Isuzu MU-X LS-A 4x4 3.0L

[maverick74]

Toyota for life!

*PATSYS If you have money to burn the go for the fortuner but I highly recommend that hold your purchase until they have resolved the issue with their AT. That is if you're getting one that comes with AT.

Ito yung choices for the past 2 weeks para sa aking wife na SUV. comparing both sa mga features and nag settle na kmi sa mux dahil sa basic na rear sensor at camera para ma at ease na cya.

[Vensong Quezon]

Who's saying that drums are better?


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Haven't you read one?
Who else?
Answer: "Fanboys" lots of them.
It's like, here's your drum brakes

Mother knows best.
pero iba din ang ipinapakain sa ibang bata.

[ferrarifan]

what most of us do agree with is that all-disc brakes is better than disc/drum combination, all things being equal.

it's a pity some people here are comparing stopping power of different vehicles concluding that disc/drum set-up is better when the car is much lighter than the one with all-disc set-up.

nobody's whining about certain more expensive models of the same brand having disc/drum because they're not as popular as these PPV SUVs. who cares about them, i don't even own one.

but it's a different story when it comes to PPV SUVs, it being the most hotly-contested segment in the country today, it is scrutinized by buyers up to the last detail. and every part can be a deal breaker to anyone.

is the Fort not having a rear disc brake a deal breaker for me, certainly not. but it puts a big X on my check box, and at the end of the day weighed heavily down on the final tally of points. it certainly mattered more compared to choosing an SUV with or without a push button start.

i still believe that Toyota should have installed rear disc brakes on the Fort. it has become the standard set-up of the segment, and for good reasons. these SUV's are now capable of reaching almost 200 kph and with them weighing between 2 - 2.5 tons, we all need the stopping power we can get in a best-in-class system.

[jut703]

i still believe that Toyota should have installed rear disc brakes on the Fort. it has become the standard set-up of the segment, and for good reasons. these SUV's are now capable of reaching almost 200 kph and with them weighing between 2 - 2.5 tons, we all need the stopping power we can get in a best-in-class system.

Yes they should, but they didn't. They should've also made traction control standard on the 2.4 variants, but they didn't. They should've also kept the large head unit available in other countries instead of the cheap AVT system. They should've also made a rear reverse cam standard.

Yes, the Fortuner lags behind in terms of convenience and safety features. Many people have flocked to the Everest because it offers more for roughly the same price, as well as the MUX which is cheaper and better value for money. We all hope that Toyota would be more competitive in terms of kitting out their cars, but they never had to - their cars sell like hotcakes regardless of what features it has.

The Fortuner's lack of features is one thing, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that its disc/drum setup cannot adequately stop its 2-ton frame.

Brakes: Drum vs. Disc

In today's automotive pantheon, it's not uncommon to find four-wheel disc brakes as standard equipment on medium-priced, non performance-oriented models. The majority of new vehicles, however, continue to utilize a front-disc/rear-drum brake setup. What does this say about the current state of braking systems? Are these manufacturers sacrificing vehicle safety in order to save a few bucks by installing disc brakes on only the front wheels?

While a "yes" answer would certainly be great for increasing Town Hall traffic, the truth is that today's disc/drum setups are completely adequate for the majority of new cars. Remember that both disc and drum brake design has been vastly improved in the last 20 years. In fact, the current rear drum brake systems on today's cars would provide better stopping performance then the front disc setups of the '70s. And today's front disc brakes are truly exceptional in terms of stopping power. Combined with the fact that between 60 and 90 percent of a vehicle's stopping power comes from the front wheels, it's clear that a well-designed, modern drum brake is all that's required for most rear wheel brake duty.

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[ferrarifan]

The Fortuner's lack of features is one thing, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that its disc/drum setup cannot adequately stop its 2-ton frame.

Brakes: Drum vs. Disc

yeah, read that one before, and i totally agree. not once did I say that disc/drum is not enough. remember my earlier post?

2016 Toyota Fortuner V 4x4 2.8L vs 2016 Isuzu MU-X LS-A 4x4 3.0L

it IS adequate enough, but there is a better system, and that is already reflected on the Fort's price, and should be there because after all, shouldn't we all wish that we have the best systems, especially if it is related to safety, on our 2M worth SUVs?

as I've said, all things being equal, a car with all-disc brakes is expected to have a shorter stopping distance than one with disc/drum set-up. it may be 1, 10, 20 meters shorter, who knows? but that last meter might be the difference between stopping safely and having an accident.

[ferrarifan]

Yes, the Fortuner lags behind in terms of convenience and safety features. Many people have flocked to the Everest because it offers more for roughly the same price, as well as the MUX which is cheaper and better value for money. We all hope that Toyota would be more competitive in terms of kitting out their cars, but they never had to - their cars sell like hotcakes regardless of what features it has.

because it's a TOYOTA!

and most consumers are loyal to the Toyota brand, and with valid reasons, with its bullet-proof reliability among other things positive about owning the brand.

but reliability is not all that matters. high on the list of the consumers along with reliability should be safety. unfortunately most of us disregard safety when buying a vehicle, if not we make it less of a priority. kung di pa nga i-threaten na huhulihin pag di nagsuot ng seatbelt, hindi gagawin kasi inconvenient daw, blah-blah. at least ngayon standard na ang seatbelts and we are forced to use them, for our betterment.

what we can't control are the features that the manufacturers put on their products, and that's where our power to choose comes in. again that depends on our priorities. for a safety conscious person like me, the more safety features there are, the more peace of mind I get. i don't drive fast, but one doesn't have to drive fast to get into an accident and still come out in one piece. and no, I can't buy a car with a low-center of gravity just to be safe, because I need an SUV for the growing family.

i don't have anything against Toyota. i don't have brand loyalty. three years ago I almost bought my first SUV, and guess what our first choice was, the Toyota Fortuner G variant! unfortunately, the color I wanted wasn't available for some time and the cash was eventually used for a better purpose, so we rather decided to wait for the new generation of these SUVs.

picking the right SUV, or any car for that matter, is always a compromise between its different features. no one brand has it all. at the end of the day, you choose what you think is you'll be most satisfied with.

[LN106G]

because it's a TOYOTA!

and most consumers are loyal to the Toyota brand, and with valid reasons, with its bullet-proof reliability among other things positive about owning the brand.

but reliability is not all that matters. high on the list of the consumers along with reliability should be safety. unfortunately most of us disregard safety when buying a vehicle, if not we make it less of a priority. kung di pa nga i-threaten na huhulihin pag di nagsuot ng seatbelt, hindi gagawin kasi inconvenient daw, blah-blah. at least ngayon standard na ang seatbelts and we are forced to use them, for our betterment.

what we can't control are the features that the manufacturers put on their products, and that's where our power to choose comes in. again that depends on our priorities. for a safety conscious person like me, the more safety features there are, the more peace of mind I get. i don't drive fast, but one doesn't have to drive fast to get into an accident and still come out in one piece. and no, I can't buy a car with a low-center of gravity just to be safe, because I need an SUV for the growing family.

i don't have anything against Toyota. i don't have brand loyalty. three years ago I almost bought my first SUV, and guess what our first choice was, the Toyota Fortuner G variant! unfortunately, the color I wanted wasn't available for some time and the cash was eventually used for a better purpose, so we rather decided to wait for the new generation of these SUVs.

picking the right SUV, or any car for that matter, is always a compromise between its different features. no one brand has it all. at the end of the day, you choose what you think is you'll be most satisfied with.

Yes, Toyota vehicles are "bare & spartan" compared to their counterparts here in the Philippine setting. It is a very different scenario however in the US, Australia, Japan & the oil-producing countries in the ME where they are fully loaded with features inside out. Here in the Philippines, they are selling like hotcakes because of their unrivalled aftermarket support even if the toyota model you have is phased out years ago. Can you think of other car brand here in the PI that caters to your phased out car for the brand new part you are looking for? But then, on the other hand, if you are someone, who changes cars in 3-5 years then it is not a problem. Been in the US for almost 2 mos just this year, had the chance to drive from LA to Frisco via Highway 1 and back, LA to Vegas, Moab, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and saw Sequoia Natl Park, Bryce Canyon, Antelope canyon, Arches Natl Park, Grand canyon, Hoover Dam, Etc. Lung busting >3,500 miles. yes miles. I realized that the cars in the US are used to their maximum duty esp the ones in California. But back home here, most cars are underused of their supposed service duty life and then replaced with a new model because that particular juan can afford it. talking about the ubiquitous pinoy bragging rights...hehe.
Back to topic: if you are someone who has some spare time and knows about car maintenance and wrenching then a rear drum brake is not an issue. I maintain my cars so its not an issue with me. Rear disc brakes is a plus during fording and maintenance and high speed braking, but other than that in the real world, makes it having a slight advantage over drums as most rear drum brakes today are self-adjusting....

[PATSYS]

Toyota for life!

*PATSYS If you have money to burn the go for the fortuner but I highly recommend that hold your purchase until they have resolved the issue with their AT. That is if you're getting one that comes with AT.

Hi bro, no, I definitely do not have money to burn. If I were to pay extra, it should be for good reasons (fuel economy, durability, etc). Looks also weighs a lot in my car scorecard.

Right now I am torn between buying the 4x4 Fortuner and simply wait next year when the 1.9L DDI Blue Power of Isuzu MU-X will be available.

[vinj]

We have a forester with rear drums and an expedition with 4 wheel discs. Guess what stops better?

I just think drum brakes are a bit crude and cheap today. Just like not having rear parking sensors in basic models....... Oh wait


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I have the same sentiments here.

The Fortuner has rear drums, the MU-X has rear disks. But based on my test drives of both (which i mentioned earlier here) that the brakes of the Fortuner are much better in terms of feel and initial bite; thus it will not say necessarily that having rear disk brakes will make the braking system of one vehicle superior over another.

The difference between having rear disks and drums becomes more apparent as you become more demanding on the performance of the vehicle, such as when you run hard on the track or a mountain road where brake feel and cooling requirements become more apparent. Same case with running through deep floods, or trailing a 4x4 rig - it's easier to dry off disks over drums after a fording murky water.

In my case, for a personal daily drive the refinement of the Fortuner 2.4L will win me over but if it's a second car or one for more utilitarian use, I'd plunk down for the MU-X. Although off-the-line the Fortuner feels livelier, the displacement advantage of the MU-X should be more apparent when you're running on the highway.

[goodtj]

mine got crap in it just on the right drum after passing thru 1-2 inches flood water sa pasig c5 flyover that's what's irritating about it

[Monseratto]

Disc brake has better thermal dissipation. So repeated hard braking like in racing, disc brakes win against brake fading.

[jut703]

6 pages at disc brakes pa rin pinaguusapan. 😂

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[GTi]

Perhaps we should change the thread title to disc brake vs. drum brake. 😄

And then again... I've driven disc/drum cars to provinces having to go through lots of mountain roads (Sorsogon with the Strada GLS Sport V and Baguio with the D-Max IPV and Revo diesel). Someone of my average juan driving skills didn't notice any detioration in braking performance at all, even when among the sloping and hilly stuff.

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[turbocharger 71]

Perhaps we should change the thread title to disc brake vs. drum brake. 😄

And then again... I've driven disc/drum cars to provinces having to go through lots of mountain roads (Sorsogon with the Strada GLS Sport V and Baguio with the D-Max IPV and Revo diesel). Someone of my average juan driving skills didn't notice any detioration in braking performance at all, even when among the sloping and hilly stuff.

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correct!

[vinj]

Perhaps we should change the thread title to disc brake vs. drum brake. ��

And then again... I've driven disc/drum cars to provinces having to go through lots of mountain roads (Sorsogon with the Strada GLS Sport V and Baguio with the D-Max IPV and Revo diesel). Someone of my average juan driving skills didn't notice any detioration in braking performance at all, even when among the sloping and hilly stuff.

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Given all is stock, it is possible to overheat the front brake pads, front rotors, or boil your brake fluid first, before the difference between rear drums and rear disks will make itself known.

[edricdude]

no matter what you do in the real world in your SUV/PPV, you won't overheat your drum brakes.
the only advantage disc brake has with drum is that it is easier to fix/repair/replace and maintain.

[3GEMS]

Yung disc brake big deal pero yung naka 2.4 engine ang lower variant fortuner vs 2.8 engine all variant innova walang issue. Ano nangyayare?😢
isipin mo naka fortuner ka 1.7/M nakatabi mo sa traffic yung si manong naka uber na naka bagong innova J pero 2.8. Ansaklap.
Anong rationale kaya ng toyota dito?

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[Egan101]

Yung disc brake big deal pero yung naka 2.4 engine ang lower variant fortuner vs 2.8 engine all variant innova walang issue. Ano nangyayare?😢
isipin mo naka fortuner ka 1.7/M nakatabi mo sa traffic yung si manong naka uber na naka bagong innova J pero 2.8. Ansaklap.
Anong rationale kaya ng toyota dito?

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You pay more for the bling and the demand.

Besides, if you are really leaning towards performance or just the sheer engine displacement, there are other options for 1.7M.

[3GEMS]

You pay more for the bling and the demand.

Besides, if you are really leaning towards performance or just the sheer engine displacement, there are other options for 1.7M.

I know hindi lahat priorities ang engine performance or displacemt. Pero nasa tsikot tayo, yung drum vs disc brake naabot ng 6 pages pero yung innova naka 2.8 vs fortuner 2.4 walang nagrereklamo. Asan ang hustisya? [emoji14]

Gusto ko malaman reason ng toyota bakit ganun kasi affected talaga ako kahit wala ako pambili hehehe



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[Egan101]

Gusto ko malaman reason ng toyota bakit ganun

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It's called marketing and that's why car manufacturers make a whole lot of money.

Even if Toyota decides to put a more lethargic powerplant for the Fortuner, it is still going to sell. In the US, the Camry is still the best selling model in the highly competitive midsize category despite being rated last in comparison tests. It is proof that "good enough" will surely sell with the right marketing. Hehehe