2012 Fuso Canter FE vs. Isuzu NKR (4HG1-T)

[ronw123w124]

Kung ako hanap ka na lang ng 2nd hand na local orig LHD na Canter tapos ikaw na ang mag recon.

[userfriendly]

How much is it now? Yung kakilala nagpaquote ng recon na 4 wheels na Isuzu NKR w/ Aluminum closed van from Sobida, nagulat ako sa presyo, its now 750k, sobra naman yata yun for a surplus truck!

Mahal nga. I googled ISUZU price list and it shows that a 4W NKR cab chassis is 1,018,000 while the 2.7 ton version is 1,120,000 plus the aluminum van. With brand new, your almost sure to get a good unit. With recon, we dont know what parts they used and replaced. If your lucky the recon will be almost as good as a new unit. If not you might be buying a headache.

Personally, I'll go for the new unit. Had enough problems with second hand trucks. If you can't come up with enough money for a cash purchase, one can always finance. I think interest rates are around 7% a year.

[basti08]

Mag 1 yr na FE71 namin. So far wala naman problem. It also replaced our old surplus Canter which has served us well.

Problem kasi sa marketing ng Isuzu 4W NKR (4300kg gross wt) is only 2.8L. Yung 4HG1-T (4.6L), gross wt is 4500kg, pasok na sa truck ban. Wala na silang NKR na 3.6L. Kaya napilitan kami sa 3.9L na FE71.

Sa ibang province nga 4000kgs gross wt pasok na sa local ordinance b*ll sh!t nila eh (ex. Sta. Maria, Bulacan 4000kgs gross weight pasok na sa truck ban, need ng sticker para di hulihin)... 4500kgs pasok sa national truck ban lalo sa local ordinances.

[number001]

How much is it now?

From Mitsubishi Philippines website:

Canter FE71 C/C 3.9L Dsl MT (4 Wheeler) 1,150,000
Canter FE83 C/C 3.9L Dsl MT (6 Wheeler) 1,285,000

[number001]

Mag 1 yr na FE71 namin. So far wala naman problem. It also replaced our old surplus Canter which has served us well.

Problem kasi sa marketing ng Isuzu 4W NKR (4300kg gross wt) is only 2.8L. Yung 4HG1-T (4.6L), gross wt is 4500kg, pasok na sa truck ban. Wala na silang NKR na 3.6L. Kaya napilitan kami sa 3.9L na FE71.

Sa ibang province nga 4000kgs gross wt pasok na sa local ordinance b*ll sh!t nila eh (ex. Sta. Maria, Bulacan 4000kgs gross weight pasok na sa truck ban, need ng sticker para di hulihin)... 4500kgs pasok sa national truck ban lalo sa local ordinances.

Thanks for the tip basti! Our company was about to buy the NKR bec. the NHR is underpowered for our cargo requirements (heavy cargo only - not light and bulky stuff). I find our country's regulations a bit odd. NKR and NHR are dimensionally similar (except for the 4.6Li in the NKR) yet NKR is now considered part of the truck ban just bec. it has a more capable payload? An NPR ( a six wheeler) is understandably part of the truck ban. But an NKR?! sheesh

What if its NKR with the FB type body ? Is it still part of the truck ban ?

[number001]

We also looked at buying Sobida until I read about this....

http://tsikot.com/forums/philippine-...46/index4.html

I also know somebody who bought an Isuzu N series with FB body two years who is now using a local brand new Isuzu NKR with FB body.

[basti08]

From Mitsubishi Philippines website:

Canter FE71 C/C 3.9L Dsl MT (4 Wheeler) 1,150,000
Canter FE83 C/C 3.9L Dsl MT (6 Wheeler) 1,285,000

Kaya yan ng 1.085M yung 4 Wheels ;)

Thanks for the tip basti! Our company was about to buy the NKR bec. the NHR is underpowered for our cargo requirements (heavy cargo only - not light and bulky stuff). I find our country's regulations a bit odd. NKR and NHR are dimensionally similar (except for the 4.6Li in the NKR) yet NKR is now considered part of the truck ban just bec. it has a more capable payload? An NPR ( a six wheeler) is understandably part of the truck ban. But an NKR?! sheesh

What if its NKR with the FB type body ? Is it still part of the truck ban ?

I dunno with the FB body type. Pero yung amin is aluminum van kasi. Isuzu used to offer a 3.6L 4W na 4300GVW (Turbo, i think) before kaso tinanggal nila. Sabi nga ng SA: Kaya kami natatalo ni Subida kasi mas flexible engine options nila, tapos nagagawa pa nilang 'UV' ang registration kasi 6Wheels bilhin mo sa kanila kaya coding lang problema.

Pinaka magandang compromise na yung FE71 kasi 3.9L Turbo, 4W, 4300GVW lang. At least within the city 4500GVW lang talaga ang pasok sa truck ban. Sa mga small municipalities/provinces lang naman may mga katarantaduhan na >4000kgs GVW ang truck ban.

[number001]

basti, talaga ba gawang Japan ang Canter ?

Any markings to indicate if it did originate from Japan ?

Tell tale signs will be the tires.

[ronw123w124]

The reason I asked for the prices of brand new units dahil ang average age ng mga 4 wheeler trucks dito sa amin is around 20 years already although in good running condition pa naman (Canter and Isuzu NKR) but then kahit anong sabihin mo 20 years old is still 20 years old and some has already logged as high as 600,000km on the clock, was thinking of gradually replacing our fleet with the Canter FE71 kasi ang mahal na rin nung surplus, eh kung China truck din lang naman I'll just stick with our old trucks.

[basti08]

basti, talaga ba gawang Japan ang Canter ?

Any markings to indicate if it did originate from Japan ?

Tell tale signs will be the tires.

I just checked. Made in Japan nga.

Bridgestone Made in Japan ang tires eh



Original pa yan kasing rubber. Di pa kami nagpapalit. 10tkms pa lang ata odo namin.

[crazy_boy]

sa cab or sa engine bay may plate yan indicating cab number. malamang naka lagay doon kung Made in Japan nga.

[ronw123w124]

Isuzu used to offer a 3.6L 4W na 4300GVW (Turbo, i think) before kaso tinanggal nila.

Buti na rin tinanggal yang 3.6L (4BE1), mahina yang makinang yan, lahat ng NKR namin na ganyan ang makina napalitan na ng either 4BC2 o 4BD1 na Isuzu. Yung nagiisang NPR namin (6 wheels) yung 4.3 ang pinalit namin na makina (4HF1) mahal nga lang yung ganitong 4.3, nasa 240k yata ang kuha namin, still better than just selling it and buying another NPR with 4.3 engine.

Kung yang 3.6L (4BE1) lang, walang binatbat yan sa makina ng lumang modelong Canter (4D31). Lahat ng Canter namin orig pa ang makina. Pero yung 4.3L (4HF1) maganda yan, malakas.

[basti08]

Buti na rin tinanggal yang 3.6L (4BE1), mahina yang makinang yan, lahat ng NKR namin na ganyan ang makina napalitan na ng either 4BC2 o 4BD1 na Isuzu. Yung nagiisang NPR namin (6 wheels) yung 4.3 ang pinalit namin na makina (4HF1) mahal nga lang yung ganitong 4.3, nasa 240k yata ang kuha namin, still better than just selling it and buying another NPR with 4.3 engine.

Kung yang 3.6L (4BE1) lang, walang binatbat yan sa makina ng lumang modelong Canter (4D32). Lahat ng Canter namin orig pa ang makina. Pero yung 4.3L (4HF1) maganda yan, malakas.

Ah talaga? Kaya siguro tinanggal. Buti na lang, kundi yun sana nabili namin hehehe

[dct]

We also looked at buying Sobida until I read about this....

http://tsikot.com/forums/philippine-...46/index4.html

I also know somebody who bought an Isuzu N series with FB body two years who is now using a local brand new Isuzu NKR with FB body.

nabasa ko rin to dati pero i think mas ok pa rin talaga to kaysa china trucks. yung ibang supplier namin JAC ang truck nila, 1 year pa lang puro kalawang na ang ilalim. puro sira.

5 months na sobida truck namin, ok na ok pa naman. although there's some minor issues. sana pangmatagalan talaga to

[number001]

Air21 is using a fleet of China "JBC or Jin Bei" delivery trucks. Lets see how long it will last.

Amongst the Chinese, Foton is probably the biggest company around.

[crazy_boy]

^agree. Kahit sa mainland China, mukhang Foton yung pinaka ok sa kanila. I didn't know na sa ibang municipalities 4000kg ang truck ban.

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[number001]

Went to the two showrooms today.

NKR comes with two engine options: 4JB1-TC (2.8) and 4HG1-T (4.6). Interestingly there are only 70 kgs difference in their payload capabilities (according to the brochure). Lots of redundancies in their lineup (ie. NHR 2.8, NKR 2.8, NKR 4.6 ).

Even the SA (who is obviously unknowledgeable) declares NKR 4.6 is not part of the truck ban.

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Canter is indeed made in Japan. Large shipping label on the front windshield declares "Made in Japan" . Batteries by Panasonic with Japanese markings on it. Fuel filter Made in Thailand.

2014 model comes with backup camera and along with the requisite price increase. FB body costs +170K more.

I prefer the Canter.

So far the SA gave me two deals:

1. 35K disc + Free LTO (worth 12,000 or something)

or

2. 50K disc (for approval), no free LTO.

Comes with the standard EWD.

No picking of end number for LTO. According to the SA, picking of last number causes the delays in plate delivery. But deep inside me thinking, LTO has been allowing cherry picking of last numbers (as well as any number combo) for more than 15 years already and its only recently when LTO had troubles with its supplier did the Delayed Plate Distribution Syndrome come about.

[number001]

Any owners here with a Canter with FB body (made by Centro)? How does it stand up to the weather?


We have a 2011 L300 FB made by Metro trucks. The rear body is already showing manufacturing deficiencies this early - thin paint on roof (now spot surface rust), inside rust on the rear drip mould gutter, leaks from rear door, etc....


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basti, as for your FE71 aluminum van, is it the composite type or the regular flat sheets with visible rivets? Hope you can PM me who made it for you.

How's the performance and reliability so far ? Casa serviced or own maintenance?

[dct]

Any owners here with a Canter with FB body (made by Centro)? How does it stand up to the weather?


We have a 2011 L300 FB made by Metro trucks. The rear body is already showing manufacturing deficiencies this early - thin paint on roof (now spot surface rust), inside rust on the rear drip mould gutter, leaks from rear door, etc....


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basti, as for your FE71 aluminum van, is it the composite type or the regular flat sheets with visible rivets? Hope you can PM me who made it for you.

How's the performance and reliability so far ? Casa serviced or own maintenance?

alam ko sir ok lang ang centro at almazora. wag lang metro. almazora tested na namin. matibay

[ronw123w124]

The reason I asked for the prices of brand new units dahil ang average age ng mga 4 wheeler trucks dito sa amin is around 20 years already although in good running condition pa naman (Canter and Isuzu NKR) but then kahit anong sabihin mo 20 years old is still 20 years old and some has already logged as high as 600,000km on the clock, was thinking of gradually replacing our fleet with the Canter FE71 kasi ang mahal na rin nung surplus, eh kung China truck din lang naman I'll just stick with our old trucks.

We almost pulled the trigger on a brand new Canter, kaya lang may nagalok sa amin na 2008 model na local na Canter, when we looked at it, it was in decent condition although there are some issues that needs to be addressed, asking price was 630k, haggled down to 550k, mileage was less than 100k. We brought it home with us earlier today and sabi na rin nung driver na naguwi ganda pa raw ng hatak.