Which 2-liter Car to Buy?

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I know the fd 2.0 m/t is not in your prospects but just a comment... That Damn thing can go!

[jut703]

Napaisip nga ko bigla eh. Parang biglang nakakatempt yung FD 2.0 because of the performance..

Is the 6 really that much slower than the FD?

Kagabi set na ko eh, biglang binalik yung FD sa equation haha.


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Try it bro... I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

But at that price, your already pushing for...

http://m.*******/index.php/view+class...ords=Evolution

[leodawesome]

Civic FD! Lighter body on a 2.0 compared to the MZ3. Minus the sunroof.

[jut703]

Masyado kasi mataas resale value ng FD na MT, 150k more than a Mazda 3 and even more than a Mazda 6.

Yung binibenta pa sa Sulit medyo ricey (although still recoverable). Thing is, the blue paint just looks too boy-racer, but no choice naman since all 2.0 MTs came in blue.

Mas may dating parin Mazda 6 sakin. More sleeper vibe than a Civic.

I tried contacting all the Mz6 sellers in Sulit and AyosDito and walang nagrereply (except for one selling a white unit but with 18" BBS copy rims). Eh ayoko yung hindi stock tapos wala na daw sa kanya stock rims niya so no thanks nalang.


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[GTi]

Not considering the 7th gen Accord 2.4? You say that the 2.0 is underpowered, but the 2.4 is not, at least if in good condition. Perhaps you can even find a post-facelift variant, which IMHO looks much sportier. Mazda 6 2.3's are rare in the 2nd hand market, and as much as I like this car, I find the interior design not much to my liking...

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[jut703]

Not considering the 7th gen Accord 2.4? You say that the 2.0 is underpowered, but the 2.4 is not, at least if in good condition. Perhaps you can even find a post-facelift variant, which IMHO looks much sportier. Mazda 6 2.3's are rare in the 2nd hand market, and as much as I like this car, I find the interior design not much to my liking...

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Well mostly because the Accord is priced the same as the Mazda 6 and the Mazda is better for me in all aspects.

I'd rather wait for a Mz6. Not in a hurry naman.


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[mda]

I think, having read a little of your financial thing thread -- it may be a wiser choice to put wants and fun away for the meantime and go for needs - cost (initial outlay), maintenance, reliability.

We had an old 6th gen Accord (2.0 or 2.3 -- not sure) we let go for <200k about 8 years ago. Those are reliable and are cheap. Gas cost will depend on how much you will be using this.

That, or maybe a compact/subcompact from the early 2000s will serve you well. Corolla ZZ? Civic ES?

Payaman muna, BMW later? hehe.

[jut703]

I think, having read a little of your financial thing thread -- it may be a wiser choice to put wants and fun away for the meantime and go for needs - cost (initial outlay), maintenance, reliability.

We had an old 6th gen Accord (2.0 or 2.3 -- not sure) we let go for <200k about 8 years ago. Those are reliable and are cheap. Gas cost will depend on how much you will be using this.

That, or maybe a compact/subcompact from the early 2000s will serve you well. Corolla ZZ? Civic ES?

Payaman muna, BMW later? hehe.

Thanks for the concern bro but I've thought about it and I find that going for a Mazda 6 is still financially sound. A similarly aged compact costs the same, which is why I'm taking advantage of the low resale value of midsizers.

Incremental fuel cost is minimal, more or less 2.5k a month. If I go for a decent car now, I won't need to buy another one in the near future, as opposed to if I settled for a 6th gen Accord or any car older than 10 years, I'll probably be left wanting something newer soon enough.

An older car will have more repairs too. Plus, Mazda 6 owners are usually well-off car enthusiasts and I would expect that the car would be better maintained than your average compact. Major parts replacements will definitely be more expensive but then again for a fairly new car it should still be a few years down the road, and I'm not spending much on the upfront purchase nor will I be paying any monthly amortization so it's not too expensive overall.

Also, I've been so frugal all my life that I want to splurge a little on a nice car. I commuted my entire high school and college life and I worked hard for a good education and a nice job so I want to reward myself a little. Sure I'll have to push back buying a house and lot a little bit, but not too much. I'm still much younger than most people here so I still have quite a lot of time to save.




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[GTi]

I suppose there's the answer to your dilemma. It appears that the Mazda 6 is the car that calls to your heart.

Midsize sedans are pretty sturdy. Our 2005 Accord 2.4 is a daily driver, and has logged over 91tkms already, mostly city driving. Oil changes are done every 10tkms as with all modern Honda's. AFAIK, nothing non-consumable has been replaced, including all suspension parts. I personally don't see anything major failing anytime soon. As long as you find a well-maintained unit, you should be fine. Personally, I don't mind if it isn't very low mileage as long as it isn't ridiculously high and is well taken cared of.



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[Egan101]

For 500k, you're now looking at the newer model of the Mazda6 2.5L (2009-2012). It has grown bigger over the sleeker, more compact-size 2006-2008 2.3L model but it's more refined. I think Niky posted something regarding the comparison of both models.

Kunting pasensya at baka biglang may sumulpot sa mga online ads dyan na good-deal na 2006-2008 Mazda6. Early this year, I was helping out a golf buddie look for a car and we found online this white Mazda6 in Makati selling for 400k. It looked stock but it had a lot of upgrades (coilovers, Cosworth intake, Hotpipes, piggyback chip). The owner listed its whp at 200hp and even mentioned the car was featured in a local car magazine. My golf buddie refused as he finds midsizers as daddy cars. He was more looking for a Civic FD/FB.

[Egan101]

I tried contacting all the Mz6 sellers in Sulit and AyosDito and walang nagrereply (except for one selling a white unit but with 18" BBS copy rims). Eh ayoko yung hindi stock tapos wala na daw sa kanya stock rims niya so no thanks nalang.

If the car is in good shape, I guess this will be fine. The rims & tires are some of the easiest components to replace. You can always sell those and get your choice of 17's with stock size tires. The 2006-2008 Mazda6 came stock with those multi-spoke 17s with 225/45/R17 tires (Bridgestone Potenza, I read from old reviews).

[jut703]

For 500k, you're now looking at the newer model of the Mazda6 2.5L (2009-2012). It has grown bigger over the sleeker, more compact-size 2006-2008 2.3L model but it's more refined. I think Niky posted something regarding the comparison of both models.

Ihink that the pre-facelift 2.5 looks uglier than the 2.3, while the facelifted 2.5 (2011 and up) is still too expensive for me. Actually in general, the 2.5's have ridiculously high asking prices compared to Accords and Camries. But yeah I read from Niky sometime before that the 2.5 is more refined, but there's something about the first gen Mz6 that feels more in tune with my personality - more agile, more rev-happy, not too mushy. I also think it's more timeless than the second gen.

My golf buddie refused as he finds midsizers as daddy cars. He was more looking for a Civic FD/FB.

Baliktad kami ng golf buddy mo bro. I guess I got sick of the FD because it was the most common car driven by students back in college. And hindi naman mukhang tatay yung 6 because it's not as fat and chunky as a Camry or Accord, but has the same level of features and almost the same amount of space. Most importantly, its driving dynamics are closer to a BMW than any other midsizer. And hindi pa naman ako mukhang tatay

If the car is in good shape, I guess this will be fine. The rims & tires are some of the easiest components to replace. You can always sell those and get your choice of 17's with stock size tires. The 2006-2008 Mazda6 came stock with those multi-spoke 17s with 225/45/R17 tires (Bridgestone Potenza, I read from old reviews).

I thought about this bro but considering the rarity of the Mz6, it might be hard to find stock rims for it, especially with the superb Potenza tires (most likely if I find a set in Evangelista it'll have some crappy Westlake tires).

[Egan101]

Baliktad kami ng golf buddy mo bro. I guess I got sick of the FD because it was the most common car driven by students back in college. And hindi naman mukhang tatay yung 6 because it's not as fat and chunky as a Camry or Accord, but has the same level of features and almost the same amount of space. Most importantly, its driving dynamics are closer to a BMW than any other midsizer. And hindi pa naman ako mukhang tatay

Yep, very common nga yung FD. You'd even have a hard time distinguishing the 2.0L models against the 1.8L models though I find most 2.0L FD owners keep their cars stock. If I were to choose, I'd still pick the Mazda6 over a Civic FD for the same price.

I thought about this bro but considering the rarity of the Mz6, it might be hard to find stock rims for it, especially with the superb Potenza tires (most likely if I find a set in Evangelista it'll have some crappy Westlake tires).

You will have a hard time looking for stock rims for the Mazda6 but you may chance upon them in some buy&sell shops. You can always look for something similar or more refined-looking aftermarket rims. Get a used but decent set of 17s from folks who are always changing rims and selling them cheap then put on some grippy tires or performance-oriented touring tires. 18" rims will be fine with the Mazda6 as I have seen some with 19" rims on them. Most modern midsize cars have very good suspension and can easily handle bigger rim sizes without compromising its comfortable ride.

[niky]

too juvenile

Well... the Mazda6 looks a bit more dignified... but if you're looking at the 2.3, it's the definition of juvenile to drive... very meaty and responsive steering (one of the few modern cars as good as my Lynx) and the sound insulation feels minimal... it's a bit noisy inside, even compared to the Civic.

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Then again... reading your post right above, seems that's what you like.

The 2.5, it's a bit more refined... but that one is also rather... juvenile... even more rev-happy... much quicker... handling is just as good. Steering is... unfortunately... electric... but it's one of the better electric racks of that generation, and not really all that bad. It's just the 2.3 has better steering. But the 2.5 is a better car, overall. Feels and drives a lot like a BMW 3-series of the same era (granted, the BMW has more snob appeal and a more solid build, but get a low-end trim, and the Mazda6 is just more luxurious and more fun to drive).

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Shame the previous gen 2.5 facelift is still expensive secondhand... that's an absolutely great car.

[jut703]

Well... the Mazda6 looks a bit more dignified... but if you're looking at the 2.3, it's the definition of juvenile to drive... very meaty and responsive steering (one of the few modern cars as good as my Lynx) and the sound insulation feels minimal... it's a bit noisy inside, even compared to the Civic.

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Then again... reading your post right above, seems that's what you like.

The 2.5, it's a bit more refined... but that one is also rather... juvenile... even more rev-happy... much quicker... handling is just as good. Steering is... unfortunately... electric... but it's one of the better electric racks of that generation, and not really all that bad. It's just the 2.3 has better steering. But the 2.5 is a better car, overall. Feels and drives a lot like a BMW 3-series of the same era (granted, the BMW has more snob appeal and a more solid build, but get a low-end trim, and the Mazda6 is just more luxurious and more fun to drive).

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Shame the previous gen 2.5 facelift is still expensive secondhand... that's an absolutely great car.

Your observations are spot on, Niky. The 2.5 is more grown up than the 2.3 and I'm looking for something more raw to drive. Plus the fact that the facelifted 2.5 costs twice as much as the 2.3.

I guess I wasn't very clear, I want something that looks a bit grown up but still loved to be hooned around.

The Civic handles lovely and is quick but is too pedestrian already. It's as unique as a Vios.




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[GTi]

Accord 3.0V6 ayaw? Halos pareho ang resale value sa 2.4 and only 1km/L less in FC as compared to the 2.4! Hehe~ :D You get cruise control, sunroof and VSA.

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[jut703]

Accord 3.0V6 ayaw? Halos pareho ang resale value sa 2.4 and only 1km/L less in FC as compared to the 2.4! Hehe~ :D You get cruise control, sunroof and VSA.

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1 km/L nga lang ba? The 7th gen didn't have VCM yet IIRC and 5AT lang.

Anyway, even if we assume that the V6 gets 5 km/L while the 2.3 gets 6 km/L, that's still an additional 20% consumption. I'm already pushing myself beyond my benchmark 7.5 km/L (Civic 1.8 FC) with the Mz6 so stretch talaga masyado yung V6.


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[Egan101]

Accord 3.0V6 ayaw? Halos pareho ang resale value sa 2.4 and only 1km/L less in FC as compared to the 2.4! Hehe~ :D You get cruise control, sunroof and VSA.

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I have read that the 7th gen K24 Accord was more fuel efficient than the older 6th gen F23. It is the 7th gen K20 which has higher FC. My neighbor who has a stock 8th gen K24 Accord said he can do 7 km/L on the usual Sucat-Makati route, and the 8th gen is way bigger than the 6th gen.

It would be great if you can get 7-8 km/L on the 2.3L Mazda6 but it's possible that you will be doing only around 6-7 km/L.

[jut703]

I'm expecting just around 6 km/L for the Mz6. Our old 2.0 Altis only did 6.5-7 km/L in city driving, 7.5 with a light foot and light traffic..


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