MPV buying guide

[12vdc]

Are you agreeing to what he is saying that CVT is just for small vehicles? I guess your bias against CVT is just that bad that you will fuel any idea that defies it.


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Just saying my opinion. CVT technology for me is not for heavy and powerful cars, atleast not yet as reliable as regular AT, i mean if you want peace of mind then i'd stay away weather its Aisin, Jatco, Borgwarner. Aisin had just recently added this 1st gear for launching a CVT but still i'm not convinced. To each his own.

[travajante]

Are you agreeing to what he is saying that CVT is just for small vehicles? I guess your bias against CVT is just that bad that you will fuel any idea that defies it.


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You know my CVT qualms, bai. It's quite pro-dealership, anti-ownership....More maintenance, higher cost w/ it. Good when bought new. Good luck, when bought used. And when it goes, it'll mean a new tranny. I've seen too many failures to want 1.....& I'm not even talking numbness yet. True, it has its pluses....but far outweighed by its cons.
I won't take anything against anyone who'd desire, have or defend them....I'd just opt stick & traditional AT over CVT, bai. Just me.[emoji4]

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[Egan101]

I think cvt will do fine.. but the question is how long? Especially when youre pulling load. Cvt are not yet used on diesel engines due to higher torque delivery of diesels on low revs

Check engine outputs. Some Diesel engines make around 350Nm of torque which is about the same as turbo gas cars. Subaru’s turbo gas engines deliver that amount of torque over a wider rpm band (2k to 5k) plus much more peak power.

As for longevity, that is yet to be known. Older cars with CVT trannies (2000s era) are still running in our streets. If CVT is that bad, why are the Japanese keep using them? The Koreans are also following.

Back to the topic, layo na ng usapan. For me, the Innova is still hands down the best MPV in the country. No amount of marketing from Honda or Mitsubishi or Suzuki for their MPVs can outweigh the merits of the Innova.


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[Lakwatsero]

Innova is undoubtedly the best MPV if budget permits, no debate there. But the new model grew bigger and more expensive than last gen which left a void in the ~1M MPV market. Carmakers filled it with models like the BR-V, Xpander, Ertiga.

Drivers especially ladies used to subcompact sedans will also find it easier adjusting to these smaller MPVs due to similar dimensions, ride quality, and steering weight.

[travajante]

For me, the Innova is still hands down the best MPV in the country. No amount of marketing from Honda or Mitsubishi or Suzuki for their MPVs can outweigh the merits of the Innova.
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+1....long sold![emoji4]



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[travajante]

I'd avoid the CVT.

CVT is for small cars not for people carrier like 7s MPV.

Get the trad stepped A/T.

Nissan has taken way too long....

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[dr. d]

Innova is undoubtedly the best MPV if budget permits, no debate there. But the new model grew bigger and more expensive than last gen which left a void in the ~1M MPV market.

it's not so bad.
the 1 M innova J variant now has power locks and windows.
steel rims nga lang.

[sirkosero]

it's not so bad.
the 1 M innova J variant now has power locks and windows.
steel rims nga lang.

Standard na din ang ABS and 3 airbags..

And engine na mas malaki than the low to mid end fortuner.

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[bxr monkey]

Okay din ang Ertiga GL AT na 903k pesos. Tapos may discount. Pinaka sulit sa AT MPV.

Sakto lang sa size na hindi sobrang laki sa labas, pero ayos ang space sa loob. Maganda ang seating sa 3rd row compared sa Innova 3rd row.

Okay sa features. Lamang ng Ertiga GLX ay more toys at aesthetics.

[Egan101]

it's not so bad.
the 1 M innova J variant now has power locks and windows.
steel rims nga lang.

You have two engine options with the J model - a 2.0L gas or a 2.8L diesel. The gas will be cheaper to maintain but the diesel is thriftier on the pump.

If AT is a must, I guess a 200k premium is reasonable enough for the size, comfort, and cargo space that the Innova offers against other MPVs which are based off small car platforms.


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[travajante]

You have two engine options with the J model - a 2.0L gas or a 2.8L diesel. The gas will be cheaper to maintain but the diesel is thriftier on the pump.

If AT is a must, I guess a 200k premium is reasonable enough for the size, comfort, and cargo space that the Innova offers against other MPVs which are based off small car platforms.


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The 2.8D[emoji106][emoji108][emoji123]

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[dr. d]

You have two engine options with the J model - a 2.0L gas or a 2.8L diesel. The gas will be cheaper to maintain but the diesel is thriftier on the pump.

If AT is a must, I guess a 200k premium is reasonable enough for the size, comfort, and cargo space that the Innova offers against other MPVs which are based off small car platforms.


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is that the same 2.0 gas engine from the previous model?

my relative has the older innova with gas engine and AT.
for him, hindi naman daw mabagal.
he doesn't drive aggressively.
he says he gets 8 km/li "pag hindi masyadong trapik"...

[Egan101]

is that the same 2.0 gas engine from the previous model?

my relative has the older innova with gas engine and AT.
for him, hindi naman daw mabagal.
he doesn't drive aggressively.
he says he gets 8 km/li "pag hindi masyadong trapik"...

Most likely the same engine. I think it’s even the same engine used on older Altis 2.0L models.


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[ice15]

Anu mas maganda bilhin in terms of price and quality?
Suzuki Ertriga GLX 1.5 AT or Honda Mobilio 1.5L RS Navi?

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just to add to my post earlier...

Have you tried test driving both cars?

[ice15]

I read somewhere that manufacturers are now including a physical gear for the first gear then shift to cvt on higher gears..

I think this is for the newer Toyota models...

Not sure if it's locally available.

[sirkosero]

is that the same 2.0 gas engine from the previous model?

my relative has the older innova with gas engine and AT.
for him, hindi naman daw mabagal.
he doesn't drive aggressively.
he says he gets 8 km/li "pag hindi masyadong trapik"...

Yes doc. Same 1TR engine but i think with a few tweaks. Yung unang innova if i remember correctly throttle cable pa. Yung ngayon drive by wire.

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[ice15]

[dr. d]

to the me-the-ordinary-driver,
it looks like an even match.
i'd want to try out the interior. one might be perceived to be more spacious and comfortable than the other. this is important, if the user is on the elephantine side.

other tie-brakers include: price, perceived and real build quality, perceived and real aftersales support.

[ice15]

other tie-brakers include: price, perceived and real build quality, perceived and real aftersales support.

for me... it's the wife's opinion

[Egan101]

for me... it's the wife's opinion

It’s a no brainer. Wag ka na kumontra. Hehehehe


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