DCT and CVT, which car has one?

[istan]

We still own our 2008 City i-Dsi CVT. But the mileage is only about 90k kms racked up on the vehicle as it is mainly a city car and we don't use it for out of town trips. For this specific unit (from what I read), one of the quicker cause of failure was actually using the manual mode of the CVT. So from the beginning, we didn't use it from brand new, except maybe a handful of times to see if it was more efficient in keeping revs low (it wasn't TBH).

Compared to the 2009 Altis 1.6E AT of my brother, I'd say the regular AT was more "simpler" to maintain, cheaper as well because of the difference in price of the CVTF compared to ATF.

But, I think when it comes to driving a CVT, there are sometimes tell tale signs that there might be something going on with the transmission and the best course of action is immediately have it checked (do not delay basically. When I say immediately, I mean don't prolong it beyond a week when you notice something off about the car's behavior/performance).

Honda advices to change CVTF every 2 years or 40k kms but since we don't drive that much (and aren't stuck in bumper to bumper traffic a lot since it is driven mostly off-peak hours), we change almost every 4 years. No CVT problems (yet) but we've replaced wheel bearings etc. So who knows really. But I still like it's performance, apart from the shudder when you don't shift to neutral when in full stop that sometimes crops up (this doesn't happen frequently, but it does happen. And when the frequency increases, time to change CVTF most likely as part of the honda diagnosis) =)

Also own a 2014 Nissan Slyphy 1.6CVT, already replaced CVTF this year after 5 years of ownership but also my mileage was barely 30k kms on the fifth year. Again, not frequently driven during rush hour but I also drive it for out of town trips sometimes. Here though, I think Nissan Philippines is too "lax" in the interval for CVTF replacement as they seem to base it only on mileage (40k kms). I had to insist they replace it at 30k and to just have them do it. I have noted some performance degredation after my more recent out of town trip that's why I told them to just include it as part of the work. Problem resolved after. But, the catch I found was that my FC tanked a little and only got back up to normal after about 1000kms, so it was like I was breaking the car in again, which was a bit odd as that wasn't the case with the Honda.

No experience with Toyota or Subaru CVT though so can't give any anecdotal evidence of ownership.

According to Suby Club, CVT failures are attributed to boosting engine power to the point that the CVT belt cannot take it.

No problems on stock power.

Remember that any transmissions have torque and HP capacity.


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[istan]

Really that low FC? below 15kmph average speed? Didn't that Lancer come with a 1.6L engine? I forgot.

Really low on traffic. We average 11kph in our area.
CVT shines on long highways.

It has a 1.6L engine. And that engine is really not fuel efficient.
We were sold with the fold out pioneer stereo and nokia handsfree function when the car was brand new.

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[hardwang]

Ito na lang...
My closest friend has a 2004 CRV with 4AT
I have 2004 lancer mx with cvt.

Guess who did a transmission rebuild. Casa maintain pa both cars. Religious 40k transmission fluid replacement na yan.

CrV clutch packs gave out. Overhauled.


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Buti nga pwede pa maayos ang AT. Papano kaya kung CVT masira?

Anyway in my experience, it was the opposite. My cousin owned a Lancer 2006 2.0 GT with a CVT and an Accord 2004 2.4 with a 5 speed AT. I’ve driven both a few times. Both went through the same abuse and neglect because they left the maintenance to their drivers. Not once were the transmission fluid changed. The lancer’s CVT became junk around 2014 to 2015 and they sold it as is. The accord fared better, they still own it but the transmission was now slipping from 1st to 2nd gear... but it can still run though unlike the lancer. Pinasok nila sa shop ngayon, 40k ang gastos paayos.

[istan]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aut...cer-2-0-gt/amp

2006 Lancer 2.0 is 4AT.
CVTs of yesteryears are limited to 1.6L and below engine power.

High torque CVTs are first used by nissan suvs after 2010, i think.

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[hardwang]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aut...cer-2-0-gt/amp

2006 Lancer 2.0 is 4AT.
CVTs of yesteryears are limited to 1.6L and below engine power.

High torque CVTs are first used by nissan suvs after 2010, i think.

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Oh sh*t. It was a 4AT? They told me it had a CVT and I really believed it was a CVT back then because it felt so rubber band-ey. Well I guess that was a battle of torque converter trannies then. We also own a 1.6L lancer but we chose the manual because the CVT was fairly new back then and we didn’t want to experiment with a new tech.

But the 2008 2.0 lancer EX as I recall had a CVT.

[Egan101]

Agreed.

Bear in mind also that different AT gens require different driving styles. For example, DCTs should be placed on N and D intermittently when in Makatigtype rush hour traffic

CVT's should be accelerated gradually, Jack rabbit starts will kill it

True to all trannys, regular and correct ATF grade is a must.

Who said you can't accelerate quickly with a CVT? The turbo-powered Subarus and Hondas are quite quick. Have you driven one?

Oh sh*t. It was a 4AT? They told me it had a CVT and I really believed it was a CVT back then because it felt so rubber band-ey. Well I guess that was a battle of torque converter trannies then. We also own a 1.6L lancer but we chose the manual because the CVT was fairly new back then and we didn’t want to experiment with a new tech.

But the 2008 2.0 lancer EX as I recall had a CVT.

Lancer Cedia ba? They do have CVTs. I am not sure though if Mitsubishi used different trannies on their 1.6L and 2.0L Cedia models.

The Lancer from 2008 onwards have CVT and so with the ASX.

[istan]

2004-2008 models, 1.6L cvt, 2.0L 4AT.
Ex models 2008 up, 2.0L cvt, 1.6L 4at

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[hardwang]

Who said you can't accelerate quickly with a CVT? The turbo-powered Subarus and Hondas are quite quick. Have you driven one?

CVTs are quick no doubt, quicker than any torque converters. The civic for example, even with lower power figures is noticeably faster than the focus ecoboost which has higher power figures but uses a torque converter.

I guess what he’s probably trying to say is jack rabbit starts will shorten the lifespan of CVTs.

[17Sphynx17]

CVTs are quick no doubt, quicker than any torque converters. The civic for example, even with lower power figures is noticeably faster than the focus ecoboost which has higher power figures but uses a torque converter.

I guess what he’s probably trying to say is jack rabbit starts will shorten the lifespan of CVTs.

Hard Acceleration basically, especially from a standstill/crawl. =)

[yebo]

You can race with a cvt. One night way past midnight at congressional i was at the stop light at the corner of visayas on my ex kia sorento when a new forester xt pulled up beside me with lowered passenger windows (i was on his right side). E alam na yun pag ganun, lower ko din window ko, kaway sabay off ng air con. Then when the light turned green we both floored it. Of course the 197hp crdi diesel with the conventional auto tranny beat his 240 hp gasoline with cvt ON THE FIRST 300 METERS or so. He ate my dpf soot (nag regenerate dpf haha!). Pero after that he was already side by side and pulling away. I ate his dust before even reaching tandang sora intersection. Mabagal lang talaga sa arankada ang cvt pero sa rekta dun na siya hahataw ng todo.

[Egan101]

You can race with a cvt. One night way past midnight at congressional i was at the stop light at the corner of visayas on my ex kia sorento when a new forester xt pulled up beside me with lowered passenger windows (i was on his right side). E alam na yun pag ganun, lower ko din window ko, kaway sabay off ng air con. Then when the light turned green we both floored it. Of course the 197hp crdi diesel with the conventional auto tranny beat his 240 hp gasoline with cvt ON THE FIRST 300 METERS or so. He ate my dpf soot (nag regenerate dpf haha!). Pero after that he was already side by side and pulling away. I ate his dust before even reaching tandang sora intersection. Mabagal lang talaga sa arankada ang cvt pero sa rekta dun na siya hahataw ng todo.

You can pull ahead at first with the ample torque of a turbo diesel but the turbo gas will beat you to triple-digit speeds. The Sorento/Santa Fe 2.2L CRDi can do around 9+ seconds on a 0-100 kmh sprint while the FXT can do the same in 7+ seconds.

If the FXT is on Sport# setting, the throttle gets more responsive and you can do 6k rpm in between shifts (if on manual override). The FXT is about as quick as a BRZ/86 on a straight line sprint to 100kmh but not as quick as WRX. The platform just has a good amount of mechanical grip and add more to that is the symmetrical AWD system which keeps all 4 wheels on the ground all the time.

[lowslowbenz]

Why not wait for the next Legacy? Baka mas bagay sa yo yon

This will be the wife's ride, but I get to drive it once in awhile ...

[Jun aka Pekto]

CVTs are quick no doubt, quicker than any torque converters. The civic for example, even with lower power figures is noticeably faster than the focus ecoboost which has higher power figures but uses a torque converter.

I guess what he’s probably trying to say is jack rabbit starts will shorten the lifespan of CVTs.

It's the long-term durability of a CVT I'm concerned about. My wife has a 1st gen 2013 Nissan Rogue and it's fairly peppy for a 170 hp CUV, probably 8 sec 0-60 mph. But, I baby it because if the CVT goes, I'd have to spend several thousand $$$ for a new one. No problems so far. But, I have heard all the horror stories.

You don't repair a CVT. A bad one is replaced with a new one. Ouch.

I always remind my wife she should've picked my choice back then: the 1st gen, 157hp CX-5.

[yebo]

It's the long-term durability of a CVT I'm concerned about. My wife has a 1st gen 2013 Nissan Rogue and it's fairly peppy for a 170 hp CUV, probably 8 sec 0-60 mph. But, I baby it because if the CVT goes, I'd have to spend several thousand $$$ for a new one. No problems so far. But, I have heard all the horror stories.

You don't repair a CVT. A bad one is replaced with a new one. Ouch.

And this is part of the reason i started this thread, to be able to avoid which models have the bad rep.

[moneyp]

dapat i-extend ang thread nito to include dsg problems also.

[Egan101]

Aside from the faulty Powershift DCT of Ford, most issues are in some ways attributed to neglect of owners in proper maintenance. As mentioned, failures in CVT cars are less than 1%.

Manufacturers have now started doing extended warranties to deal with issues not easily found within the first 3 years or 60k miles (100k ) of ownership.


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[istan]

You can race with a cvt. One night way past midnight at congressional i was at the stop light at the corner of visayas on my ex kia sorento when a new forester xt pulled up beside me with lowered passenger windows (i was on his right side). E alam na yun pag ganun, lower ko din window ko, kaway sabay off ng air con. Then when the light turned green we both floored it. Of course the 197hp crdi diesel with the conventional auto tranny beat his 240 hp gasoline with cvt ON THE FIRST 300 METERS or so. He ate my dpf soot (nag regenerate dpf haha!). Pero after that he was already side by side and pulling away. I ate his dust before even reaching tandang sora intersection. Mabagal lang talaga sa arankada ang cvt pero sa rekta dun na siya hahataw ng todo.

Uy! How do you know nagregen yun DPF? Is there a sign? Kia Sorento ex with DPF also here.

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[yebo]

Uy! How do you know nagregen yun DPF? Is there a sign? Kia Sorento ex with DPF also here.

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Thick gray smoke from the exhaust when you floor the accelerator after proper warm up.

99.9% city driving with very short trips kasi yung sorento ko kaya ganun barado dpf lagi. You will notice barado dpf when your fuel mileage goes down. Ginagawa ko i bring it to nlex then binibirit ko takbo every few months. Ayun maganda na ulit acceleration and fuel mileage pagtapos malinis yung dpf.

I sold it after 5 years in 2017 with only 42k km on the odo.