lightning lab or jbl speakers (separates)

[Retz]

Ung joylong rebranding ba ng toyota or tampering ? tapos ung panasonic brand meron naman pensonic rebranding or tampering ? teka ot na ako....


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[K.I.L.L.]

Ung joylong rebranding ba ng toyota or tampering ? tapos ung panasonic brand meron naman pensonic rebranding or tampering ? teka ot na ako....

If I remember correctly, Pensonic is an electronics manufacturer based in Malaysia. They used to be the factory where Panasonic outsourced their manufacturing to. After sveral years of doing business, they had a disagreement so Panasonic ended the contract. As the factory had already been producing Panasonic for a long time, they already had access to Panasonic's old technology so they used it to make Pensonic products. Panasonic has tried to do their best to run after them but Pensonic already has pretty good distribution in a lot of developing countries.

The factory in Indonesia that produces Panasonic manganese batteries also produce Sony manganese batteries.

[K.I.L.L.]

OT



Ohh.. Sonus Faber fans

Actually I settled for the cheaper 5" midrange of the CM series rather than the 6" midrange of the Series 800. The 6" was too big truthfully to be thrown on A-pillars.



Here's what the 5" dedicated midrange driver looks alongside a 2" full-range Dominations speakers.

I'm trying to imagine how you would have installed it on an A-pillar. Boy... How heavy is the 5' driver?

[jhnkvn]

I'm trying to imagine how you would have installed it on an A-pillar. Boy... How heavy is the 5' driver?

I didn't actually weigh it but it's probably equal to sub-Php10,000 6.5" midbass thanks to its huge ferrite magnet.

Truthfully, it's cheap at 6,000php per piece pero ang laki ng dagdag nila sa shipping.. haha. It seems the CM series uses ferrite as a cost-saving measure over the more expensive neodymium magnets found on the 6" FST of the Series 800. The 6" FST costs roughly 3 times as more thanks to skyrocketing rare earth prices.

I haven't actually tested it, but it shouldn't be far from how the 6" FST measured. The magic of the suspension is that it has very limited linear throw but it makes it up for this for its efficiency. While most car midranges has a sensitivity of 85dBs, these are 95dB-efficient. A figure attained because of very good magnet flux (magnet pull which increases sensitivity) and because of its surface area (a 5" has 2.7x more area than a 3" cone).

The problem when I competed kasi was that Thai judges were telling me I was hitting power compression at high-volumes on my midrange. This was causing it to lose detail and distortion is rising. The reason for this is that my aluminum billet enclosures doesn't have a lot of air volume and that lowers efficiency as you need more wattage to hit a certain dB. More wattage = more heat = less magnetism = power compression.

Anyway, to remedy it.. naghahanap ako ng efficient drivers. Problem is, there's no product in car audio that will satisfy my requirement of efficiency and low distortion until I came across B&W's midranges. To put their efficiency as an idea for you..

Give both speakers 2 watts and the FST = 95dB and the Focal 3W2 (Focal Utopia midranges.. roughly 30,000php per piece) = 85dB. Let's say I need to reach 100dB, this means I need a +5dB gain on the FST and +15dB on the 3W2. As power is exponential with regards to decibels, I'll need 63W on the Focal to reach 100dB while I only need 6W for the B&W. 50W of excess power is very hot.. ever touched an incandescent light bulb? Second degree burn na agad yan. And this is taken on their most efficient setting -- free air. Throwing them into an enclosure will further increase their power handling and decrease efficiency.

That's how you scream and shout. Audio is science naman.. not really hard not unlike somebody here na hindi alam bakit malambot at matigas tumunog isang speaker.. really productive twelve years he has.

[K.I.L.L.]

I didn't actually weigh it but it's probably equal to sub-Php10,000 6.5" midbass thanks to its huge ferrite magnet.

Truthfully, it's cheap at 6,000php per piece pero ang laki ng dagdag nila sa shipping.. haha. It seems the CM series uses ferrite as a cost-saving measure over the more expensive neodymium magnets found on the 6" FST of the Series 800. The 6" FST costs roughly 3 times as more thanks to skyrocketing rare earth prices.

I haven't actually tested it, but it shouldn't be far from how the 6" FST measured. The magic of the suspension is that it has very limited linear throw but it makes it up for this for its efficiency. While most car midranges has a sensitivity of 85dBs, these are 95dB-efficient. A figure attained because of very good magnet flux (magnet pull which increases sensitivity) and because of its surface area (a 5" has 2.7x more area than a 3" cone).

The problem when I competed kasi was that Thai judges were telling me I was hitting power compression at high-volumes on my midrange. This was causing it to lose detail and distortion is rising. The reason for this is that my aluminum billet enclosures doesn't have a lot of air volume and that lowers efficiency as you need more wattage to hit a certain dB. More wattage = more heat = less magnetism = power compression.

Anyway, to remedy it.. naghahanap ako ng efficient drivers. Problem is, there's no product in car audio that will satisfy my requirement of efficiency and low distortion until I came across B&W's midranges. To put their efficiency as an idea for you..

Give both speakers 2 watts and the FST = 95dB and the Focal 3W2 (Focal Utopia midranges.. roughly 30,000php per piece) = 85dB. Let's say I need to reach 100dB, this means I need a +5dB gain on the FST and +15dB on the 3W2. As power is exponential with regards to decibels, I'll need 63W on the Focal to reach 100dB while I only need 6W for the B&W. 50W of excess power is very hot.. ever touched an incandescent light bulb? Second degree burn na agad yan. And this is taken on their most efficient setting -- free air. Throwing them into an enclosure will further increase their power handling and decrease efficiency.

That's how you scream and shout. Audio is science naman.. not really hard not unlike somebody here na hindi alam bakit malambot at matigas tumunog isang speaker.. really productive twelve years he has.

Don't worry. I'm in touch with my inner geek. And I've always been into audio though I prefer 2-channel audio. 95db sensitivity? That's very sensitive. Lately I've been experimenting with class T amplifiers and trying them out with speakers that are <90db sensitive. Audio is really a science though after years of listening, I know that there is a threshold with the price to performance ratio since the improvements keep on getting smaller as you go up.

Going back to topic, JBL's reputation was built through years of solid audio R&D and tested through so many users both professional and enthusiast circles. I think the comparison between the two was like apples and oranges though I have to say that for car audio, JBL's performance isn't the same as what they produce for outdoor and home audio.

[enterbay]

ay wala na si pututuy

[testament11]

Makiki-butt in lang...

Hirap talaga pag natapakan ang ego, lalo na kung may pinagmamalaki kang 12 years of experience. Talagang dito makikita who has more knowledge sa topic na ito. Even that newbie dito sa tsikot with 12 years of experience ay hindi ma-explain bakit matigas o malambot bumayo ang isang subwoofer.

JBL audio vs LL? JBL nalang with regards sa brand. That's JBL, may reputation na in car audio and home audio. They have the R&D pero LL, rebrand lang yan, generic in short na nagkaroon lang ng pangalan.

[Ry_Tower]

Grabe nakikita ko ang difference ng Class ng mga nagssasagutan dito. kitang kita mo din ang background hihi

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Bagong class yang si jasli art. Class B.


















B oboh.

Hindi maka-gets. Kawawa tuloy LL, for sure wala na tsikoteer na bibili nyan except kay class b.

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[Ry_Tower]

i gues sir team lightning lab lang makakasagot nyan.
basta ang sabi lang nila sakin sa china inaassemble ang product nila

Hahaha, may kasabihan na ang taong naniniwala sa sabi-sabi, walang bait sa sarili. Labs na labs mo LLabs ah. Bilib na bilib ka sa kanila. Ask mo nga sila kung manufacturer sila or rebrander. Tapos post mo dito official statement nila. or better yet take a picture of their BIR 2303. Nang matapos na!

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[JasLi Art]

sabhin na lhat ng gusto lumalabas lang n asar talo kayo kay LIGHTNING LAB at sakin kaya ayaw tumigil

bwahahahahahaha

kaya nga may moto ang
LIGHTNING LAB na
Haters gonna Hate!

kasi nga sup0t ang mga sound nyo haters
LIGHTNING LAB lang katapat ang pinakacheap na LIGHTNING LAB!

Booooom!

[testament11]

Di naman namin hate LL, ikaw lang naman nagsasabing hate ng tsikoteers ang LL. Oh BTW, pakawala ka ba ng LL?

[enterbay]

squatter mouth oh

halatang walang pinag-aralan.

[jhnkvn]

Mahirap makarelate sa mga mga tao may sariling mundo :gayfight:

Talo tayo sa LL...
Talo tayo kay JasLi Art..

Hahahaha... kailan ba tayo nakipagcompete? Nagdadagdag lang ng kalaban eh di naman kilala. Tapos haters na HAHAHA.

Magpayaman ka muna.. baka naman inutang mo pa yun 12-years mo

Which reminds me.. may alam ba ang 12-years na karpintero sa speakers?

[enterbay]

sabhin na lhat ng gusto lumalabas lang n asar talo kayo kay LIGHTNING LAB at sakin kaya ayaw tumigil

bwahahahahahaha

kaya nga may moto ang
LIGHTNING LAB na
Haters gonna Hate!

kasi nga sup0t ang mga sound nyo haters
LIGHTNING LAB lang katapat ang pinakacheap na LIGHTNING LAB!

Booooom!

One post of jhnkvn makes sense than all of your posts combined, why? Simply because yours is BS.

[automot0]

ang lupit amplifier pa lang isang buong setup na isama mo na din yung tricycle para umabot sa presyo ng ampli ni jhnkvn.

JasLi Art post ka naman ng picture ng mga tricycle na sinasabi kasi yung kay jhnkvn may mga pictures kaya naniniwala kami sa sinasabi niya yung sayo kasi puro kwento lang walang picture kaya mahirap paniwalaan

kahit ako pwede ko sabihin yung mga kalesa sa amin worth 100,000php ang audio setup kaso wala akong picture kaya sigurado di kayo maniniwala

[red_one]

uy, 10 pages na.. happy place..

[automot0]

Bumili ako ng isang kahong SARDINAS tapos pinalitan ko ng label
thats called TAMPERING!
Kaso ang aabutin mo niyan pag ginawa mo yan kasi piracy/tampering ang ginawa mo and that is illegal

May sarili akong product brand pero gusto ko palitan ng pangalan.
thats what you call it REBRANDING
pano naging sarili ng LL ang product nila sila ba ang may ari ng planta sa china para masabi na sarili nila yung produkto, kahit sino na may puhunan kaya din mag-order sa manufacturer ng LL speakers sa china at palitan ang pangalan nito sa halip na LL pwede BB

pagkalinaw linaw na nyan jhnkvn

naaliw mo ako sa mga post mo salamat at lumipas ang oras ko at hindi ako naiinip magantay ng uwian

[Ry_Tower]

Asan na BIR 2303 ni LL, jasliart?

[jhnkvn]

Asan na BIR 2303 ni LL, jasliart?

Baka naman tampered 2303 yun ibigay HAHAHAHAHA

[Ry_Tower]

Baka naman tampered 2303 yun ibigay HAHAHAHAHA

Baka naman rebranded este, remanufactured. :hysterical: