Getting ICEd phase 1

[B2Bomber]

To all ICE gurus/aficionados, I'm planning to have my car setup with the following pioneer products during my setup's fist phase:

HU: AVH-P5750DVD
MCP: DEQ-P7650
Seps (F/R): TS-C130R/TS-C1353/TS-C160R/TS-C1653
Center Speaker: TS-CX7
Subwoofer: TS-WX22A/TS-WX11A/TS-WX105A/TS-WX20LPA/TS-WX206A

If you notice I didn't include amps for the seps and I'm using active subs. Am I correct to think that the MCP output ought to be able to drive the Seps without the need for the amps and still achieve satisfactory SQ with this setup.

And with regards to my seps' sizes since I'm just guesstimating the size I could fit on my Getz 'coz I forgot to check them out when I had my CLDS installed. I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me whether the 16cms would be ok to install.



TIA.

[easydeal]

Nice setup. Since you seem to be putting up a car theatre system, the amp will help deliver fine details in your DVDs.

[B2Bomber]

Nice setup. Since you seem to be putting up a car theatre system, the amp will help deliver fine details in your DVDs.

Can I just add the oomph factor in Phase 2 if ever? (where I intend to include the AV Selector and Disc Changer and maybe, just maybe additional displays, or maybe I'll just wait for Phase 3 for the displays )

[ILuvDetailing]

If you really want clarity you should consider getting amps... I doubt HU/MCP would provide enough juice that your seps really need to produce crisp sounds. Its not so much the "Loudness" factor but the clarity factor, you want SQ, better feed your seps with enough power to satisfy it, if its power requirement is met, you'll get the most out of it. Match your components accordingly.

Also try looking at different brands, for HUs Pioneer is great, but for speakers there are better options in the market.

[B2Bomber]

If you really want clarity you should consider getting amps... I doubt HU/MCP would provide enough juice that your seps really need to produce crisp sounds. Its not so much the "Loudness" factor but the clarity factor, you want SQ, better feed your seps with enough power to satisfy it, if its power requirement is met, you'll get the most out of it. Match your components accordingly.

OIC. Q ulit then: My choice of seps, say the TS-C160R has a nominal input of 60W, for the TS-C130R 40W, and the TS-C1353/TS-C1653 both have 50W. And my MCP's continous power output is 22W. Hmm...WTH... I overlooked this one...drats. Ok, so I guess I do have to include the amps in the long run. Maybe in Phase 2 for now. My pockets aren't deep. tee-heee. Thanks for the head's up ILD. Di lang pang detailing, pang ICEing pa.

Also try looking at different brands, for HUs Pioneer is great, but for speakers there are better options in the market.

Regarding this matter I was actually hoping to get a "purist" system, if I may call it that, i.e. same brand for everything (Not that they're sponsoring it anyway.hehehe). Instead of a combo. But I'll see if I can still find the time to research again for other products. Maybe I could do with a diiferent brand for seps/subs, come to think of it since I don't have to worry about IP buses for the speaker anyway. Any suggestions? How bout another brand who's got a center speaker too?
If ever, I guess I'll just have to live with them till I get to install the Pioneer GM-6100F amp.
TY.

[ILuvDetailing]

mga basics lang alam ko, I leave the technical and other advanced stuff to the pros.

what you can do is, get the same brands for speakers, and a different brand for your amps.

For speakers
DLS, Crystal, MB Quart, JBL, JL, Boston Acoustics there are more brands in the market... but these brands are available locally.

Amps
Alpine, JBL, JL, DLS, Boston Acoustics, and more...

One thing tho you have to set a budget and start there, and also set a goal on what to want to achive. Its very easy and get carried away and spend too much on something you don't really need. You can start with an HU, good pair of seperates and a 4-channel amp. Ditch the rear speakers for now, that should be last on your priority list. Next on your list should be a 10" sub. in a sealed box since space is limited.

[B2Bomber]

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what you can do is, get the same brands for speakers, and a different brand for your amps.

di ka talaga bilib sa Pioneer no? :-D

For speakers
DLS, Crystal, MB Quart, JBL, JL, Boston Acoustics there are more brands in the market... but these brands are available locally.

all the more better

Amps
Alpine, JBL, JL, DLS, Boston Acoustics, and more...

will look around then...in the net.

One thing tho you have to set a budget and start there, and also set a goal on what to want to achive. Its very easy and get carried away and spend too much on something you don't really need. You can start with an HU, good pair of seperates and a 4-channel amp. Ditch the rear speakers for now, that should be last on your priority list. Next on your list should be a 10" sub. in a sealed box since space is limited.

I've got my "abridged" (due to file size limitations) version of my project's game plan in my blogs. I could email you the full version if you'd like to review it for me. :-D

[ILuvDetailing]

di ka talaga bilib sa Pioneer no? :-D

di naman sa di bilib, don't get me wrong, they produce good audio stuff. Ingat lang may mga fake sa market. But like other brands better when it comes to component speakers, just my personal preference. Their subs are good also.

I've got my "abridged" (due to file size limitations) version of my project's game plan in my blogs. I could email you the full version if you'd like to review it for me. :-D

maybe you could post a brief summary.

[the_wildthing]

Bossing, unless it is a Pioneer showcar or you are a dealer, it is always a good idea to get the "best of breed" within your budget. There are very few compatibility issues if using different brands anyway, mas maganda pa ang tunog.

[GlennSter]

hindi naman sa hindi kami bilib sa pionerr.but remember that each brand has a specialty product.

pioneers are known for bang for the buck head units.functions and user friendliness is a big plus. thats why many people buy pioneer head units.

why would i buy a set of seps na pioneer if for the same price, i can get a really good set with a different brand that specializes with seps?like maybe...DLS?or focals??

"purists" are not those who go for the same brand sa lahat ng equipments nila. "purists" in audio are thos into sq or sound quality na talagang sobrang talas ng pandinig.

[B2Bomber]

*ILD: No worries, I (always) try to buy only from reputable shops. And since most respondents in my Myth/Fact thread regarding transporting speakers by air seem to think it's just a myth that speakers will be damaged this way, I think I might just buy in Singapore after leaving Thailand.
Brief summary, well, the game plan actually just states what are included in my proposed project (goals, limits, options, etc.) divided into 3 phases. The 1st phase of which I've already presented here. The "abrdiged" version I attached in my blog basically states the important details of the project already. The reasons that the unabridged version was quite big was because 1. I had 3 options for HUs (thus, affecting most of the setup), 2. I had separate schematics for each 3 phases for each option, 3. I added Pioneer's specs sheets for most of the parts I intended to buy. Oh, in addition I also stated in my proposal the reason why I selected Pioneer: during my search, since our connection time was limited, it was only Pioneer, among the other brands I managed to research, that had most of the infos (as compared to the other brands I looked in to) I needed like, prices, specs sheets, catalogs, retail store infos, etc. since I can't go around personally or browse the net for hours on end to get reviews, etc. I'm just lucky I stumbled on to Tsikot.COM and manage to get inputs from fellow tsikoteers.
*the_wildthing: c'mon dude, Pioneer showcar? my ride? hehehe. in my dreams. BTW: I am not a dealer too. hehehe.

*GlennSter: my reference to the term "purist" wasn't refering to purist to mean an impeccable audiophile's criteria, rather I just coined it myself for my habit of using (most of the time) several stuff from only one brand. That goes the same to buying several stuff from only one shop (if possible), saves me the hassle of dealing with too many people/shops, etc considering my work sked. I guess you could call it Loyalty without ROI. hehehe. But I'll try and research for other speakers from other brands (again) during my connection time if possible.
Thanks for the inputs.

[GlennSter]

keep us posted chong...remember in audio...you are the one who listens to it.you are the one who pays for it.

so better buy the one which will satisfy all your needs and wants. balitaan mo kami!

[B2Bomber]

keep us posted chong...remember in audio...you are the one who listens to it.you are the one who pays for it.

so better buy the one which will satisfy all your needs and wants. balitaan mo kami!

no prob. plano kong i-post din sana someday yung step-by-step (kung may time na magkukuha pa ng pics. hehehe) para next time na bubutingtingin ko, may nakatago akong kopya sa lugar na siguradong di ko maaaksidenteng mabura.

[kimpOy]

agree, there are more bang for the money speakers than pioneer...
try to audition first pati, join KAC soundoffs...

keep us posted good luck...

[mazdamazda]

Pioneer isn't really known for their seps...

Invest in more research time IMO.

[ILuvDetailing]

B2Bomber: I assume your in the province, so I won't be able to recommend you shops here in manila, well unless ofcourse you come here.

As for your plan, keep it simple, be patient, and most importantly trust your ears. Whenever you can "audition" other setups do it, so you'll get a feel of how a certain brand sounds like, don't just go on word of mouth.

Share ko lang experience ko with sounds, I started off with a pair of Crystal separates, V12 (budget) Amps, Phoenix Gold Subs - installed it on a sunday (took us more than half a day). After a a few months, I got an offer I couldn't resist, someone was selling 3 JL Subs at a bargain price, so me and my friend immediately went to the seller to checked it out and eventually closed the deal. So I sold my PG subs and replaced it with my newly purchased JL. Then a few months later, another good offer came, this time a 4-channel Infinity amp (used ofcourse ). bought it, and sold my V12 amp. Along the way I purchased a clarion 7-band equa for more control. So in my experience its an evolving process, that could be be an expensive hobby but a satisfying hobby if done right.

[B2Bomber]

B2Bomber: I assume your in the province, so I won't be able to recommend you shops here in manila, well unless ofcourse you come here.

Wrong assumption ILD. I'm in some oil field in the vastness of the Gulf of Thailand at the moment. Please feel free to recommend shops in Manila. That's why I am mainly using the internet for my researches and am solely relying on numbers so to speak. Hope this explains my long queries at times (here and in other threads).

As for your plan, keep it simple, be patient, and most importantly trust your ears. Whenever you can "audition" other setups do it, so you'll get a feel of how a certain brand sounds like, don't just go on word of mouth.

I'd really love to do the auditioning myself but as you can see I'm in the middle of nowhere stuck in a 120x35m floating contraption with 200++ people from all over the world. :-D

Share ko lang experience ko with sounds, I started off with a pair of Crystal separates, V12 (budget) Amps, Phoenix Gold Subs - installed it on a sunday (took us more than half a day). After a a few months, I got an offer I couldn't resist, someone was selling 3 JL Subs at a bargain price, so me and my friend immediately went to the seller to checked it out and eventually closed the deal. So I sold my PG subs and replaced it with my newly purchased JL. Then a few months later, another good offer came, this time a 4-channel Infinity amp (used ofcourse ). bought it, and sold my V12 amp. Along the way I purchased a clarion 7-band equa for more control. So in my experience its an evolving process, that could be be an expensive hobby but a satisfying hobby if done right.

Thanks for sharing your experience. However, to be quite frank, I have no intentions of turning it into a hobby for several reasons.
Thanks for the input guys.