audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[sientobente]

Sorry if makulit na but i have another question

Would it be possible to do a loud and clear set up together with sq ?

I was planning on doing it with a processor since the audison processors have presets

Preset 1 - front full active only with sub

Preset 2 - front full active, sub and rear 3 ways/coaxials

Before I thought this wasn't possible, but upon hearing StageA's(from KAC and Pinoydvd) setup, it is. He uses a 15" sub on a sealed enclosure to make this happen. He has a switch that turns on or off his coaxials from his trunk to convert his setup to an LNC.

Don't get me started with his car's SQ. Probably the best sounding car I have ever heard.

[DeeME]

Mga sirs,

Patulong po mag decide which is better?
1. Stock hu plus audison bit ten or mosconi 4to6
2. Change hu to 80prs

My car is 2013 swift and i'm going on a 2way full active setup. Sabi ng installer both options are okay.

Meron na po ako speakers at amp
Jl audio c2-650
Jl audio 12w3v3
Jl audio xd1000/5v2

Maraming salamat po!

[sientobente]

Mga sirs,

Patulong po mag decide which is better?
1. Stock hu plus audison bit ten or mosconi 4to6
2. Change hu to 80prs

My car is 2013 swift and i'm going on a 2way full active setup. Sabi ng installer both options are okay.

Meron na po ako speakers at amp
Jl audio c2-650
Jl audio 12w3v3
Jl audio xd1000/5v2

Maraming salamat po!

Nice choices sir. I think number 2 is a good all-in-one solution. Because of the following:
1. Probably a better transport vs the stock headunit
2. You will use the Burr Brown DAC of the Pioneer which should be again better than stock
3. DSP tuning capabilities may not be extensive as an external processor but it will get the job done

[DeeME]

Thanks sientobente :-)

[sientobente]

Thanks sientobente :-)

I forgot one more thing Sir, the convenience. You can tune your HU on the fly, while there's too much work using a processor because of the location. This is unless you upgrade the bit ten with a DRC or the 4to6 with a Bluetooth adapter.

[barurut]

Hi mga sir (esp. kay sir kevin)

Has anyone heard or installed a pdx 4.150 in their cars. Would like to get inputs regarding this amp. this is the old version (pdx f series na ata yung bago ngayon). I've read mixed reviews sa diymobile. your inputs and thoughts are very much appreciated.
Thinking of using this to run focals

[UOF9239]

Boss Jhnkvn,
Newbie lng dto tanong ko lng ano magiging improvement pag pinalitan ko stock speaker ko nito Focal PS 165 any idea how much sa atin? yong sa harap lng nagpakabit kasi ako bagongHU AVH8650BT? TIA

[D3nb3r]

Boss Jhnkvn,
Newbie lng dto tanong ko lng ano magiging improvement pag pinalitan ko stock speaker ko nito Focal PS 165 any idea how much sa atin? yong sa harap lng nagpakabit kasi ako bagongHU AVH8650BT? TIA

I'm not a guru, but any upgrade from stock to aftermarket speaker kahit targa, will greatly improve sound lalo naka deadening mats yung doors mo. last I checked around 13.8k ang Focal PS165 at mickey's don't know if they updated the prices yet.

[jhnkvn]

Hi mga sir (esp. kay sir kevin)

Has anyone heard or installed a pdx 4.150 in their cars. Would like to get inputs regarding this amp. this is the old version (pdx f series na ata yung bago ngayon). I've read mixed reviews sa diymobile. your inputs and thoughts are very much appreciated.
Thinking of using this to run focals

For me, it was Alpine's PDX-series of amplifiers that ushered in the era of Class D full-range amplifiers back when it was first introduced. You can say it's the first Class D full-range amplifier that actually sounded great and not plagued by the high-frequency limitations of "usual" Class D of those times (that's why usually nasa mono- lang ang mga Class D).

There's both pro's and con's. But let's start with the minus muna. Since this was part of the "pioneering" Class D, you can say that the Class D nowadays are better. But your #1 problem here is that the first edition of the PDX was plagued by noise problems. Ito #1 problem ng PDX dati - some of them are suffering from high noise floors that can only be fixed by getting your unit replaced and wishing you don't encounter it again.

Now the good is that.. you have one of the better Class D amplifiers. In fact, your performance should still be better than Php10-20k of Class D amplifiers in our current time. While the newer Alpine PDX/F series uses Class D modules designed in-house by Alpine, the early Alpine PDX technology was using Bang & Olufsen's ICEPower modules - and those aren't cheap. If that didn't ring a bell, that means that the first PDX was using the Ferrari of Class D at its time and simply reverse-engineered that to create its current technology.

Boss Jhnkvn,
Newbie lng dto tanong ko lng ano magiging improvement pag pinalitan ko stock speaker ko nito Focal PS 165 any idea how much sa atin? yong sa harap lng nagpakabit kasi ako bagongHU AVH8650BT? TIA

#1 improvement should be that everything else is better. Your bass should be clearer, your vocals should be more open, etc.

For prices, use Mickey's website (Mickey's Autosound | Because we love car audio) as a SRP guide. I also use it as a price reference when recommending stuff to people.

After that, go deaden your doors. The benefits of deadening is that your bass and vocals will be.. better. In percentage terms.. no idea.. probably 50% better? It's usually the second step after getting aftermarket speakers for most people.

[barurut]

thanks boss kevin. i heard about that noise issue. abang mode na lang ulit for a good quality amps and 2nd hand.

[sientobente]

DLS in general sounds warm and laid back. While Focal Access will be a bit bright, lively and forward. Most seps can be tuned to your liking. It will be up to your choice of installer on how they can achieve the sound you are looking for. Please join us at www.kotseaudioclub.com to get further information about car audio.

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[riccomina]

In my experience DLS sounds good to me although I have not listened to a Focal. Definitely, the DLS sounds similar to my Polk Audio TSI floorstanding speakers compared to the overly warm Wharefdale 9.1 bookshelf speakers I had before. :-)

Thanks sientobeinte and jhnkvn for your comments. I forgot to mention that I plan to put in a sealed 10" sub.

Another route is Musiko's setup options that he'll be sending me.

[jhnkvn]

In my experience DLS sounds good to me although I have not listened to a Focal. Definitely, the DLS sounds similar to my Polk Audio TSI floorstanding speakers compared to the overly warm Wharefdale 9.1 bookshelf speakers I had before. :-)

Thanks sientobeinte and jhnkvn for your comments. I forgot to mention that I plan to put in a sealed 10" sub.

Another route is Musiko's setup options that he'll be sending me.

Since you're also experienced in home audio, I think it's time for you to take a listen muna. You see, you'll eventually want a certain "sound" that a brand will provide distinctly. This is what they call as a "sound signature". For example, while I rock Focal-JMLab speakers in my car, I'm a Dynaudio fan through and through.

Konting unfair yun comparison. This is because a floorstanding speaker has more midbass drivers to produce the lows which often makes the sound more "warm" compared to a bookshelf speaker.

On a fairly budget range, the DLS will lean more on the Polk than the Wharfdale. The Focal will lean more on the Wharfdale than the Polks. Although if you want a more fair comparison, the Focal is nearer to the Infinity Primus than those Wharfs.

But the better choice will be to to go to Shangri-La Plaza's Audio-Video Driver (AVDI) where Focal's home audio distributor is. Request that you listen to a pair of Focals and voila.. that's your distinct Focal sound signature.

[riccomina]

Since you're also experienced in home audio, I think it's time for you to take a listen muna. You see, you'll eventually want a certain "sound" that a brand will provide distinctly. This is what they call as a "sound signature". For example, while I rock Focal-JMLab speakers in my car, I'm a Dynaudio fan through and through.

Konting unfair yun comparison. This is because a floorstanding speaker has more midbass drivers to produce the lows which often makes the sound more "warm" compared to a bookshelf speaker.

On a fairly budget range, the DLS will lean more on the Polk than the Wharfdale. The Focal will lean more on the Wharfdale than the Polks. Although if you want a more fair comparison, the Focal is nearer to the Infinity Primus than those Wharfs.

But the better choice will be to to go to Shangri-La Plaza's Audio-Video Driver (AVDI) where Focal's home audio distributor is. Request that you listen to a pair of Focals and voila.. that's your distinct Focal sound signature.

Hi Jhnkvn,
I get what you mean by the Infinity Primus sound signature. And yes, I'm aware of Focal's stature in the home audio world but have not listened to them yet. The November HiFi show will be held in Dusit in a few weeks. I will definitely drop by.

In addition, hopefully, I'll find someone with a Focal car setup before Dec when I have to make a decision. :-)

[jhnkvn]

Hi Jhnkvn,
I get what you mean by the Infinity Primus sound signature. And yes, I'm aware of Focal's stature in the home audio world but have not listened to them yet. The November HiFi show will be held in Dusit in a few weeks. I will definitely drop by.

In addition, hopefully, I'll find someone with a Focal car setup before Dec when I have to make a decision. :-)

Well you're just lucky because..



Audition nights seemed to have been revived lately after successful home audio demos ;) Would I drop by? Tentative. I'd say a 70% chance it is.

[sientobente]

In my experience DLS sounds good to me although I have not listened to a Focal. Definitely, the DLS sounds similar to my Polk Audio TSI floorstanding speakers compared to the overly warm Wharefdale 9.1 bookshelf speakers I had before. :-)

Thanks sientobeinte and jhnkvn for your comments. I forgot to mention that I plan to put in a sealed 10" sub.

Another route is Musiko's setup options that he'll be sending me.

I have a question sir riccomina, my friend from pdvd also has a cx-5 and wants to upgrade his car audio. will it void the entire yojin3 thing?

[riccomina]

I have a question sir riccomina, my friend from pdvd also has a cx-5 and wants to upgrade his car audio. will it void the entire yojin3 thing?

I have not asked the Mazda SA specifically about that but I think only the items that were removed (ex. HU, speakers) will have their warranty void. Ask him/her to check with the car dealer.

[riccomina]

Jhnkvn, Thanks for the headsup!


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[mortis]

Planning to upgrade the sound system of a 2014 altis 1.6v... thinking of getting focal seps (access 165 2 way), an amp, sound deadening for the front doors.. thinking of recycling my old boston rally sub, but would be needing a new box.

Have a budget of around 30-35k for phase1.. Could you recommend an amp, and would this sound good using the stock hu...

Toying with changing hu to a pioneer 5650 dvd player but nanghihinayang ako since bago pa yung hu... baka phase 2 na lang

Thinking of getting a jbl 5 chnl amp but installers i called are saying mag 4 way nalang. 3 installers recommended different brands, one yung gladden for 9.6k, another yung rf punch for 12k. The 3rd recommended a mosconi for less than 12k but suggested i get the focal flax 165 for 15k, pero palitan ko daw muna yung hu.

Not familiar with the gladen... any feedback on these?

Am confused... appreciate opinion kung
A. Get the focal flax and pioneer hu 5650 plus sound deadening.. (eventually get the amp plus reuse the sub)
B. Get the focal access plus ??? Amp, sound deadening and reuse thesub... ( and what amp to get)

Appreciate your thoughts. My current ride is a fd with infinity seps, jbl 4 chnl amp (gto na orange) and the boston rally sub in an oversized sealed box.

Tnx

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[sientobente]

I would suggest a step by step upgrade so you would enjoy the difference for every change in your system. Like go with the Seps first and deadening for Phase 1.(Focal seps are very easy to power with an HU). Phase 2 add an amp and so on. If you are not keen on changing the HU, an alternative is to get an external processor to keep the OEM look. I am doing the same on my car.(Progress found in Kotseaudioclub )

Regarding the brands, gladen bought the mosconi/audio system brands wherein he rebrands their amps. mosconi, most of the time matches very well with focal, but there are some certain pairings that does not sound well. Ask your installer which one he recommends because most of the time, that's the pairing he has experience with and has quite some success with it.

On your choices, I choose A. I experienced Flax. It's very different from the previous Focals of yore but retaining the qualities we love on that brand but probably hold off the HU upgrade first as I stated in the first paragraph.

By the way, I also own the current-gen 1.6 Altis. IMO, The stock system does not sound that bad. I would actually rate it a lot better than my CRV's and Montero Sport. Try to break it in first to hear it improve.