audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[Sportivo 7]

Sportivo,

Easiest way is just to get a decent HU, a 4 channel amp a pair of seps for the front stage. I normally dont use rear fill but since the Crosswind is a big car then you may want to use a pair of coax for the rear. Ask your instaaller if he can fit a 8 inch shallow mount sub in a small sealed box under the front seat. I've seen pics of this done in a innova. IIRC, they used Polk DB subs. It wont give you monster bass but it should sound good. Mind you it wont be easy to do.

Or just get a small sealed box and put the sub at the cargo area. Sealed boxes are usually smaller than ported boxes. They are also more accurate and musical. However, they dont put out as much bass.

If you are willing to spend for custom work, I've seen a guy install a 8 inch sub on the side of a BMW diesel SUV. It really looked stock. he placed the amps on the other side wall. But that kind of setup will cost big bucks. Be prepared to shell out mucho money for custom fiber glass works.

Well-noted your points bro. Im taking a note on those stuffs you made mentioned and leme talk to the sounds tech guy.
Cheers!

[SEALANDER]

Sportivo,

Ask your instaaller if he can fit a 8 inch shallow mount sub in a small sealed box under the front seat. I've seen pics of this done in a innova. IIRC, they used Polk DB subs. It wont give you monster bass but it should sound good. Mind you it wont be easy to do.

sir can you post pictures? any idea saan pwede mag pa set up?

[userfriendly]

here is a link to the innova pics hope it works

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[TheUninvited]

mga sirs, I'm wondering if what is the best source for a head unit (Pioneer DEH 4250) in terms of music quality output. my choices are:

1. Flash disk (USB)
2. iPod (USB + you can control it in the HU itself)
3. iPod (AUX)
4. Android phone (AUX)

[jhnkvn]

Flash disk and iPod via USB (Line-Out)

[GTS925]

Guys pwede ba mag palagay ng USB slot or AUX out without changing the HU sa Bimmer?

[jhnkvn]

*GTS925

You can purchase those iPod car kits but they costs several thousands din much like buying an entry Pioneer head unit. I think the most cost efficient way is to still burn your songs on a CD if you're without a iPod support/Aux in HU.

*purplegrape
An iPod isn't an assurance of good quality. Sound quality can only sound as good as its source. Most burned mp3 files range from 128-320kbps. 128kbps is crap.. if you listen to downloaded OPM music coming from Limewire or the net, ito na yun. 320kbps, on the otherhand, is perfectly acceptable na. Pure uncompressed WAV files are still the best (1411kbps) and where can you find these? Rip a genuine CD or download those FLAC/loseless audio albums. Take note that a single song may be somewhere 35mb upwards versus a 5mb mp3 file size.

[nnayr]

mga sirs, I'm wondering if what is the best source for a head unit (Pioneer DEH 4250) in terms of music quality output. my choices are:

1. Flash disk (USB)
2. iPod (USB + you can control it in the HU itself)
3. iPod (AUX)
4. Android phone (AUX)

iPod and Smartphones via USB or AUX will sound different when played inside the car. Reason is, they have their own equalizers and it messes up your already tuned set up. Better go with the Flash Disk. The HU plays the songs directly and the sound of your MP3s will depend on the HU settings itself (or your ears). Find FLAC/Loseless songs, as per Sir jhnkvn's advise. But I think your HU will only accept MP3 and WMA file formats. If you can find FLAC/Loseless songs, convert them to WMA instead of MP3. It will sound better according to my ears.

[nnayr]

Sir jhnkvn,

I'm going to purchase a JBL GT5-650c seps as an upgrade from my old Pioneer coaxial fronts. Just wanna know if they are better than a/d/s, Lightning Lab or Ryan Audio seps (in their own price range and category). Price range is P3,000-below.

[Retz]

may kilala ba kayo sa C3 Audio in banawe? okay ba dun?

[jhnkvn]

*nnayr

As for the difference in MP3, AAC, WMA in terms of sound quality, I wouldn't fret over it. From my understanding, AAC is best among three but upon hearing it myself... bleh, liit lang sobra.. if there is in fact a difference. How small? Let's just say that I "think" I heard a difference but that might be due to the placebo effect, still I raffled the prize off to AAC.

As for the difference between loseless and mp3 formats, it really depends on the type of music you're playing. I'm pretty fine with having my recently downloaded UK Top December 2011 songs over at 320kbps for the sake of convenience. If you're aim is to download each and every song to be as pure as possible, that'd be a time waster unless you're sitting on a 30mbps internet line or something.

I would say that a 320kbps mp3 file is the 80-90% quality of a loseless format more or less. The most apparent improvement is in the upper ranges of the sound table -- the highs where our ears are more sensitive to compared to the rest of the sound spectrum.

Smartphones and AUX in is a bad source due to the fact that your phone isn't a dedicated music player. By a dedicated music player, we're talking about audiophile components such as DACs and other internal mumbo-jumbo. iPods are actually good -- especially the 5th generation and the 3GS iPhone upwards. I personally use my iPhone and iPod as my source in for the head unit ;)

An iPod connected via USB is superior versus an iPod connected via AUX because the AUX-in passes through the iPod's native DAC whereas the iPod connected via a line-out USB bypasses that DAC. Just use the KISS methodology to figure the difference.

I'm a pro-JBL fan. In the world of sound, sound is subjective. Truth is, the only reason we buy more expensive components is the promise to sound better. At a certain price range, most products simply differentiate themselves with sound signature (material composition and factory tuning) and brand. For me, I like the fact that I own a product by Harman Kardon. That "brand" alone would give me the assurance that they investing in R&D to give me a quality product.

*Retz
C3 Audio in Banawe has one of the lowest retail prices available. I think they're still are.. But in terms of installation quality, Maspro and Candyshop is still my two favorite shops. Are they trusted? Yep.. since 2003 kilala na sila

[nnayr]

The JBL Seps up front are already installed, Sir jhnkvn and the music begins to unravel itself with the upgrade. Now, it's a little more satisfying to listen to my songs. The upgrade began to emphasize every instrument and voice within the songs. I've been tweaking the settings every now and then for a common ground between song categories so I can listen with ease. Satisfied (for now) and loving it.

The next project will be to install a 4-channel amp. Care to name some good ones, Sir jhnkvn? Of course, it has to be a budget-friendly machine (as usual, you know) but quality-proven. Hope to hear from you soon. =)

[jhnkvn]

What' the budget? :O I do have my favorites on some price ranges.

[nnayr]

What' the budget? :O I do have my favorites on some price ranges.

Around P5,000 sir..? (crossing fingers)

[jhnkvn]

Since I'm not a fan of V12 amplifiers (especially those generic ones), I'll go for branded nalang. Personally, wala ako expertise at budget amplifiers haven't had the opportunity to look what's under them too. Recommendations is in bold.

At 4.5k, there's Lightning Lab AM480. Not sure if this is the Lightning Lab amplifier sold on Tsikot's audio packages. I think it's pretty good naman... but it's not proven in a sense that it has competed before. But I think I'll get this nalang over some generic V12s.

If you're looking for more same-brand type, JBL has its GT5 A604 at around 5.5k. It's the most affordable amplifier in its lineup. I'm not familiar with it though.. I'm more familiar with the GTO1004 amp.. but that's around 9k na.

At 6k, there's Dominations Atom. Small-sized amplifier but tons of power. Have seen one internally and externally and it deserves the small but terrible award. I remember a 3-way system powered by 2 Atoms won last year's 60k EMMA competition to boot!

At 7.5k, you can find secondhand Powerbass ASA600.4 at these prices. Good internals, good and clean power. A safe recommendation on those who starts out due to its power overhead just in case you might switch from SQ to LnC.

At around 9k and with the right connections, you can also buy Zapco ST4 from legendary amp maker Zapco. I only know one person who imports them though and you can forget about finding these sa local car audio stores.. walang Zapco sa Philippines.

I also have this contact who's selling "my" amplifier (Xtant 2140c) at 5,000php. Very recent lang this December.. Already contacted him for details since I was thinking of buying it as a "backup" in case one of my Xtants failed. But so far, my wallet seems pretty thin due to Christmas shopping sprees. Like with old school cars, mahirap i-maintain mga old school amps so I wouldn't recommend it. Besides, it's only 2 channel.

[ian13o]

sir jhnkvn ano marereccomend nyo na HU na 2din with dvd ? budget is 20k and anong shop along makati or pasig yung may panel for
tucson 2011 para makapag palit ako ng HU ?

[nnayr]

Thanks, Sir jhnkvn, for the recommendations. Been a great help, really.

I think I'll go with the JBL amp. Nice casing and it will fit nicely between the speakers at the backseat. I saw one on sale at a shop here. Costs around P5,800, I think. Don't know about the Dominations Atom and the Lightining Lab amps since I was focused with the HU, Front seps and the 6x9 coaxials recently. Maybe I'll go around the shops to ask if they have some stocks of those or if they can order it for me.

Well, I'm all out of dough for this year due to the Christmas rush. Next projects will resume next year for me. Ipon ipon muna ulit. Hehehe. Merry Christmas to you and your family, Sir jhnkvn, and to all you guys here! Have a blessed and pleasant Yuletide Season! =)

[jhnkvn]

sir jhnkvn ano marereccomend nyo na HU na 2din with dvd ? budget is 20k and anong shop along makati or pasig yung may panel for
tucson 2011 para makapag palit ako ng HU ?

I think Pioneer has more or less cornered the market in the Philippines. Go for their 4350 since the 4250 has been phased out already. Damage is around 21-18k.

As for the shops, you have Autoline in Makati and Mach2Audio and Mickeys Autosound in Pasig. Most major car audio shops have the Tucson dashkit naman

[ian13o]

I think Pioneer has more or less cornered the market in the Philippines. Go for their 4350 since the 4250 has been phased out already. Damage is around 21-18k.

As for the shops, you have Autoline in Makati and Mach2Audio and Mickeys Autosound in Pasig. Most major car audio shops have the Tucson dashkit naman

thanks sir jhnkvn, maghahanap na ko after christmas

[Datsun180B]

As sound quality is subjective, that really depends on YOUR perception.

For example: Many say that the Alpine CDA-117 sounds better than the 9887, Eclipse MK7200II sounds more "analog" than the P99RS, etc. But in the end, I sit in every vehicle with the favorite decks of car audio enthusiasts from old-school Denons and Nakamichis to the still-coveted Clarion HXD2 and all I can is that "I can't hear a thing". I think this is attributable that my ears aren't trained enough... but hell, 99% of the population isn't either. So I'd rather pay attention to your tuning settings such as crossovers or slopes as this will still be the cornerstone of your perceived sound quality difference. Unless you're the type of person who can hear a 0.5dB difference, I wouldn't fret over it head unit X sound quality to head unit Y sound quality.

Pare, my brother used to have a cheap Pioneer head unit that he coupled with an independent 24-band L/R Audiocontrol EQ and I find that it sounded very good. Heck, I'm using a stock head unit and most people would rate my sound quality to be "high". Factually, it sounds excellent for a daily driver.

It may be for a fact that a more exotic or expensive DAC or other audio component would yield a noticeable audible improvement. But after all these years, I think I'd be more happy with a spanking new TV on the wall rather than spending it on that "noticeable audible improvement"

Look for technical capability instead -- number of EQ bands, slope intervals, pre-outs, etc. ;)

Sir, I'm using a stock head unit as well (new Kia Sportage) - though i went the "cheap" route (line out converter, Caido amp, firland seps, JBL sub) - since these are perhaps "ok" components i expected "ok" or good sound but i'm not satisfied - lacks clarity - as if my entire music collection (ipod touch source) was from low-quality MP3s - another way to describe it is it lacks "resolution" where an "S" sounds more like "ESSH". How did you get the "high" SQ with your stock head unit? Any suggestions for me? I added an equalizer (unfortunately the only one i could find was one of those half-DIN boschmann units) - but that didnt help much (other than enabling better control of the sub). I know a new HU will do the trick, but is there another way to get better sound from the stock HU? I like the "stealth" of the stock unit.