audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[[archie]]

iba pa ba ito sa 2-way and 3-way na speakers?

2-way, 3-way, 4-way: lahat coax.

pero pagsinabi na 2-way seps or 3-way seps yun yung mga specialized speakers. may tweeter (high), 5"-6" inch speakers (mid). meron yung more SQ, 3-way seps, eto naman, hiwalay niya frequencies to 3 different sets.

[naruto85]

2-way, 3-way, 4-way: lahat coax.

pero pagsinabi na 2-way seps or 3-way seps yun yung mga specialized speakers. may tweeter (high), 5"-6" inch speakers (mid). meron yung more SQ, 3-way seps, eto naman, hiwalay niya frequencies to 3 different sets.

follow up question lang...
yung rating(watts) ng speaker..

halimbawa kailangan ko ay 100W..
- kung 3-way ang bibilhin dapat ba ang rating is 100W mismo? nominal? tama ba? or magkakaiba pa rin ang rating nila?
- kung halimbawa naman eh magkakahiwalay ko bibilhn ang tweeter, mid at bass? lahat ba sila tig-100w?

[[archie]]

what do you mean kailangan mo 100 watts? usually if 100 watts RMS bridged sa amp, you can power a set of speakers (seps or coax) at 100 watts or more. wag lang bababa sa 100 watts rms kasi baka sunugin mo yung mga speakers.

kung ano RMS rating ng coax, that is for the pair na, not just one speaker and same goes for the seps.

yung last question is for the set up already... ganto yan naman yan usually sa 4 channel amp 2 sets of speakers kaya niyan. either 2 seps, 2 subs, or 1 sub and 1 seps.

now if your amp is rated 100 watts * 4 channel malamang 50 watts bridged yan. so 50 watts sa isang seps and 50 watts for the sub. i does not mean your limited to buy 50 watts speakers. pwede ka bumili kahit 1000 watts speakers kaso hindi busog yung speakers. it still had the potential of giving more pero you have to get a high power amp.

ang magkasma lang sa rating is seps (high and mid). in short, hindi sila hiwalay

tapos iba naman subs (low)

basta power ng setup is though its ampli: the higher the ampli rating the higher components you need. for example 1600 rms watts yung ampli, 800 rms at bridged, kailangan mo ng malakas speakers that can handle that power or more. kung hindi, baka masunog speakers.

[ekiboy]

ok naman JBL GTO parang phoenix gold yung power pero mas maganda daw material ng JBL (not sure).

yung sa box, hindi lang ilong ko dinugo pati tenga at bibig ko dinugo yung expalin sakin paano kaya hindi ko na tinuloy pagaralan pa. hahaha

mas cheaper ba yung phoenix gold sir sa jbl? mga magkano kaya difference?

san ka nagpaturo sir ng pag gawa ng box?

[ekiboy]

di ba gusto mo may sub na boom boom power? pano mo ipapagaya setup ko eh hindi na kakayanin ng budget ko sub. though yung magiging setup ko kung sakali, may provision na sa sub. laki ng kailangan money eh. pero baka maworkout naman ni jeff na baguhin yung ibang brand especially sa ampli para bumaba ng konti yung price. in case baka january na ko magpalagay ng sub. unahin ko na muna seps and amp.

parang SQ muna papa setup mo sir, ayos yun. hindi naman gayang gaya sir, kumbaga, kuha lang din ako idea sa papasetup mo then tingin-tingin na din ako ng mga item ni jeff at makapag canvass sir.

[[archie]]

i dont know the exact price pero its cheaper by 1k - 1.5k (not sure). its considered a generic brand.

napapaturo ako dati sa cousin ko. mahilig sa sound setup kasi yun. sumuko ako yung marami computation with cu in/ft tapos mas instruction sa manual ng subs how much space the subs needs etc etc. umayaw na ko. hehe

[ekiboy]

* ekiboy

eto po yung specs nung setup ko;

HU- Pioneer KEH-P6950
Pioneer CDX P1250 12 disc CD changer

Seps:
Front- Focal Polykevlar 165K 6.5" * 80w nominal power input 180 max
Rear- MBQuart discus series 6" * 100w max

Amps:
Rockford Fosgate Punch series 200 a4
4x50w for the front & rear seps

Audison LR 180M
180w mono for the subs

Coustic XM1e Active Crossover

Audison cables (RCA & power)
Stinger Fuse and grounding blocks

thank you sir. magkano po inabot niyan sir?

[benchman]

umm.. teka,try ko i-recall.. as in matagal na kasi tong mga gears sa akin e. by stages pa ang pag bili/upgrade ko.

bought late 90's;
Audison amp: 8K
Ultimate subs: 7.5K pair, mdf ported box * 600 petot yata
Coustic X-over: 1K

*2000
HU: 7K
CD changer: 6K
MBquart: 4K++ yata

*2003
Rockford: 8K
Focal: 17K

yung mga cables at accessories di ko na matandaan

[naruto85]

what do you mean kailangan mo 100 watts? usually if 100 watts RMS bridged sa amp, you can power a set of speakers (seps or coax) at 100 watts or more. wag lang bababa sa 100 watts rms kasi baka sunugin mo yung mga speakers.

kung ano RMS rating ng coax, that is for the pair na, not just one speaker and same goes for the seps.

yung last question is for the set up already... ganto yan naman yan usually sa 4 channel amp 2 sets of speakers kaya niyan. either 2 seps, 2 subs, or 1 sub and 1 seps.

now if your amp is rated 100 watts * 4 channel malamang 50 watts bridged yan. so 50 watts sa isang seps and 50 watts for the sub. i does not mean your limited to buy 50 watts speakers. pwede ka bumili kahit 1000 watts speakers kaso hindi busog yung speakers. it still had the potential of giving more pero you have to get a high power amp.

ang magkasma lang sa rating is seps (high and mid). in short, hindi sila hiwalay

tapos iba naman subs (low)

basta power ng setup is though its ampli: the higher the ampli rating the higher components you need. for example 1600 rms watts yung ampli, 800 rms at bridged, kailangan mo ng malakas speakers that can handle that power or more. kung hindi, baka masunog speakers.

bossing salamat sa info...
bale ang tinutukoy ko na 100W eh sa speaker,, just in case sa mall ako bibili ng speaker...
para may idea ako kung ano ba talaga rating ang dapat kong piliin..

baka kasi mang mabili ko eh 100W seps+100W sub...
yun pala dapat eh 50W seps+50W sub or 100W 3-Way..

salamat....

[jnh01]

kind sirs,
will the system below be a good basic SQ set-up?
Amp: Powerbass ASA600.4
Seps: Firland EV602 (then later move to rear side doors when add'l budget is raised for a Cadence ZRS-6K)
Sub: 1pc Powerbass PS10 (or any recommended 10" sub)

would like to retain the JVC KD-BT22 unit on the car. i believe this will go around the range of 20k-down. will this work sirs appreciate your inputs.

thanks in advance.

ang lakas ng amp mo sir! hehe

yung mga speakers have the risk to be overdrivien. subs at 225 rms and 65rms seps. kaya output ng amp would be 400 rms bridged.

i would say na change the amp to rockford fosgate p500-4. sakto lang lang sa subs (busog) then change the seps to DLS R6A. 160 rms nito. clear and crisp sound.

thanks sir archie! will consider the RF amp and the DLS seps. sir, could you give me an idea how much each costs, also where i can buy them? major! major! thanks! thanks!

[[archie]]

im not familiar with prices pero alam ko around 20k - 30k RF amp brandnew the DLS mga 10k - 15k ata. im not really sure. hindi kasi ako nagsesetup ng sounds. hehe

if you can get a set of seps na meron 225 rms, mas ok kasi busog ang buong setup. im not sure what brands have this. i think morel has a seps set that can handle 225 rms. ask around lang po.

you can buy it from any sound setup shop. those brands are not usually available sa mga low end shops. candy shop sa banawe has them, mickeys up north, kid audio, im not sure if jeff tan at araneta car accessories have them.

[kendimann]

makikidaan lang. mas ok ba kung ako na lang magsetup ng audio ko? para wala ng kelangan bayaran na labor.

kaso may school ba na pede ko matutunan yan? yung shourt course na ok naman sana ang result.

wala kasi ako background sa electronics.

sana may masuggest kayo. napapahilig kasi ako magbutingting. at iba na rin kasi kung may alam ka compared sa kung aasa ka lang sa gawa ng iba, hindi ka matututo

tnx

[[archie]]

^^ try meralco for electronics.

kung kaya mo DIY sound setup, by all means do it. mas masarap pakiramdam na ikaw ngsetup.

[kendimann]

^^ gusto ko nga mag DIY sana kaso wala pa laman kokote ko

kelangan ng konting hand-on at lecture. sana makatulong yung sa meralco pag nagenroll ako.

may nakaattend na ba dun in regard to car electronic?

[robot.sonic]

Mas maganda siguro bro na magpainstall ka muna sa expert na installer kahit mumurahing setup lang.

Pag aralan mo ng mabuti yung ginagawa, tools required, at syempre kausapin mo para sa best practices nila. Tapos ikaw na ang bahala sa upgrade. Medyo mahirap din kasi lalo na sa pagbaklas ng mga bagay bagay. Halimbawa yung HU. Medyo mahirap baklasin.

Yung sa theory ng car audio, pwede mo naman basahin sa net. Actually may libro na car audio for dummies. Pwede mo basahin ang theories don. Sa hands-on, tingin ka muna sa pag gawa ng iba.

Suggestion lang naman bro.

[kendimann]

^^ sa bagay ok din suggestion mo. tnx.

pero mas gusto ko kasi matuto muna. pede ko gawin yung sinabi mo pag katapos ko umatend ng short course kung meron mang ganon

[benchman]

^^ try meralco for electronics.

kung kaya mo DIY sound setup, by all means do it. mas masarap pakiramdam na ikaw ngsetup.

Mas maganda siguro bro na magpainstall ka muna sa expert na installer kahit mumurahing setup lang.

Pag aralan mo ng mabuti yung ginagawa, tools required, at syempre kausapin mo para sa best practices nila. Tapos ikaw na ang bahala sa upgrade. Medyo mahirap din kasi lalo na sa pagbaklas ng mga bagay bagay. Halimbawa yung HU. Medyo mahirap baklasin.

Yung sa theory ng car audio, pwede mo naman basahin sa net. Actually may libro na car audio for dummies. Pwede mo basahin ang theories don. Sa hands-on, tingin ka muna sa pag gawa ng iba.

Suggestion lang naman bro.

*kendimann

yes, tama sina archie & robot..
no need to enroll pa sa mga crash courses na related sa car audio field, basta interesado ka lang talaga, makukuha at makukuha mo rin sya.

stick/talk to pips with car audio experiences, dont get tired asking.

bakit ako, as in ZERO talaga ang knowledge about car audio nung nag-umpisa ako.
first bite, yung pinsan ko ang nag-install ng gears.. tutok lang ang ginawa ko para magka-idea.

gaya ng sabi ni robot.sonic... nung first upgrade ko, hanggang dito sa final built ko ako na ang tumira lahat ng wirings pwera na yung pag-bubutas ng sidings para sa mounting ng seps, yun lang ang ibinayad ko... doon talaga wala akong skills, hindi ko na pinag-intresan yun at baka sa basurahan pa mauwi yung sidings ku... pati yung MDF enclosure ng subs sa suking karpintero na lang..hehe!

at in the end sasabihin mo; positive/negative, in/out lang yan with the wirings.
and yes, iba ang satisfaction pag ikaw ang gumawa neto, plus alam mo na ang pasikot-sikot nya para sa trouble shooting kung sakali.

[j3ffry]

Guys patulong naman. in my quest for an "Budget Meal" setup, someone recommend me the ff:

JBL 12" / RA 12"
V12 Amp (Taiwan)
Box
Wiring Kit G8
Installation

Ok na po ba ito? ang budget is 10k w/o hu. SQ lang yung setup.

Thanks in advance! More Power!

[j3ffry]

Guys patulong naman. in my quest for an "Budget Meal" setup, someone recommend me the ff:

JBL 12" / RA 12"
V12 Amp (Taiwan)
Box
Wiring Kit G8
Installation

Ok na po ba ito? ang budget is 10k w/o hu. SQ lang yung setup.

Thanks in advance! More Power!

[beni23]

Guys patulong naman. in my quest for an "Budget Meal" setup, someone recommend me the ff:

JBL 12" / RA 12"
V12 Amp (Taiwan)
Box
Wiring Kit G8
Installation

Ok na po ba ito? ang budget is 10k w/o hu. SQ lang yung setup.

Thanks in advance! More Power!

Pwede na rin sir, pero kung ako sainyo magipon pa kayo para hindi upgrade ng upgrade. Hehe.

BTW, yung g4 na lang kunin niyo, mas makapal yun.