BMW X1 LCI or Volvo V60

**jonzjitsu** · September 13th, 2013 01:07 AM

Hey guys any feedback on this will be appreciated... BTW I was going to test drive an x1 earlier today but there was an obnoxious person who holds the keys kept on shout requirements for the test drive... too bad the SA was accommodating.

**x_outpost** · September 13th, 2013 01:43 AM

I believe the V60 is more of a station wagon and the X1 is basically a small crossover (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Also, IMO, BMW and Volvo are not in the same league - Volvo is more at par with Acura, Lexus and Infiniti.
However, like those brands, they usually give you better value for your money (more standard equipment, etc). And since X1 is BMW's entry-level X-model - it's also expected that you'll get less standard equipment (or you may have to pay more money for more options).

Being said that - you need to test drive and compare these two and see which you prefer more.
Some people expect BMW 1 series or X1s to be very luxurious only to get disappointed after a test drive. You have to acknowledge the fact that X1 is their cheapest X-model.

Here in the US, BMW buyers who buy X1/X3/X5 or 1-series up to 6-series actually buys them because they are driver's cars. Meaning, they are more sporty than luxurious. And that's why BMW drivers are stereotyped as wreckless drivers (or something to that effect).

**jonzjitsu** · September 13th, 2013 01:53 AM

haha thanks for the response sir, yeah it's an SAV or whatever that's supposed to mean... I own a transportation business here in the Ph, and ride comfort is always number 1. One of the factors is the resale value since We dispose our vehicles every 4 years or 5 years max... We're leaning towards the x1 because of the resale value even though volvo is giving a whooping 300 grand discount. That said the c class for me is cramped and the b class for me is even more odd looking or just bland than the x1... the volvo however is spacious but they are releasing a new model just next year... I haven't test drive both maybe tomorrow(i'll be buying tomorrow)

**x_outpost** · September 13th, 2013 02:10 AM

I didn't want to sound biased and different people have different priorities (i.e. some people value performance over looks, some people prefer practicality and resale value and some people like it sporty and some like it to ride like a Cadillac). I think the X1 will serve you well plus since it was introduced in 2009 as a 2010, the next generation X1 is not due until 2016 as a 2017 model.

I'm also looking to get an X3 for the wife in the next couple of years but she's been dreaming about the Z4.

**jonzjitsu** · September 13th, 2013 03:29 AM

I envy you, when I watch car reviews and they bring out the price 30,40,50,60Gs it's so cheap to buy there. Well anyways I will test drive both tomorrow and see which is best suited. Good luck with the Z4, and as you described bimmer drivers there... haha

**x_outpost** · September 13th, 2013 03:44 AM

I think the advantage of driving a nice car back there is that - you don't see them every where.
So its more "exclusive" if you will. Over here, people who likes cars have nice cars too. And people who are not into cars don't really care what you drive.

Good luck with your choice. Please share some pictures here so share some of that excitement too!

Originally Posted by jonzjitsu

I envy you, when I watch car reviews and they bring out the price 30,40,50,60Gs it's so cheap to buy there. Well anyways I will test drive both tomorrow and see which is best suited. Good luck with the Z4, and as you described bimmer drivers there... haha

**rossph** · September 18th, 2013 10:52 PM

Congrats on your purchase. From the pics you posted sa Autozentrum Alabang ka din kumuha. Just got our unit 2 months ago. Really fun to drive.

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**jonzjitsu** · September 18th, 2013 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by rossph

Congrats on your purchase. From the pics you posted sa Autozentrum Alabang ka din kumuha. Just got our unit 2 months ago. Really fun to drive.

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*rossph thanks sir, yes sir/ma'am x1 din kayo? Dapat sa prestige e nabadtrip kami nung pre testdrive...

**x_outpost** · September 20th, 2013 05:39 AM

Jonzjitsu, if I were you, wait for a few months before you have your ECU flashed.
Typically, cars feel fast when it's new and as time goes by, you get used to the power and then they feel slow.
That would be a good time for you to have it flashed. The new found power will spark your passion with your ride again.

Lots of popular tuners for VW/Audis like GIAC, Revo (which I have used in the past), APR, etc. For most of these tuners, you just have to find a shop that offers them and they will flash your ECU and you're good to go. Some requires that you have to remove the ECU and send it to them to flash it (no experience on this kind of service).

For BMWs, there is Dinan, ESS, ActiveWerks, VelosDesignwerks, etc. Dinan is expensive but will preserve your factory warranty but gains are very conservative. I have Velos and have good experience with them. They sent me a box called Personal Tuner and I get to do it on my own rather than having to drive my car to Florida to have it done. The tune is also non-detectable by the dealer, hence, my warranty is still valid and I can put the stock tune if I want to.

Check with specialty shops around you and research on the web if they are reliable before you commit to a tuner.

**jonzjitsu** · September 20th, 2013 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by x_outpost

Jonzjitsu, if I were you, wait for a few months before you have your ECU flashed.
Typically, cars feel fast when it's new and as time goes by, you get used to the power and then they feel slow.
That would be a good time for you to have it flashed. The new found power will spark your passion with your ride again.

Lots of popular tuners for VW/Audis like GIAC, Revo (which I have used in the past), APR, etc. For most of these tuners, you just have to find a shop that offers them and they will flash your ECU and you're good to go. Some requires that you have to remove the ECU and send it to them to flash it (no experience on this kind of service).

For BMWs, there is Dinan, ESS, ActiveWerks, VelosDesignwerks, etc. Dinan is expensive but will preserve your factory warranty but gains are very conservative. I have Velos and have good experience with them. They sent me a box called Personal Tuner and I get to do it on my own rather than having to drive my car to Florida to have it done. The tune is also non-detectable by the dealer, hence, my warranty is still valid and I can put the stock tune if I want to.

Check with specialty shops around you and research on the web if they are reliable before you commit to a tuner.

TBH it feels slow for me sir. I'll source out something similar to your tuning chip warranty preservation is always #1